Mazda RX-7 (FD) Non-Racing Car Super Lap: Special Stage Route 5

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Down to 1:29.413 using CargoRatt's rather excellent tune. Puts me at 128th which I'm pretty sure is the highest I've been in a TT. I suppose the fact that not many of the top drivers are doing this one at the moment helps. There was a whole second gap between the top time and P10 last time I looked.
 
Down to 1:29.413 using CargoRatt's rather excellent tune. Puts me at 128th which I'm pretty sure is the highest I've been in a TT. I suppose the fact that not many of the top drivers are doing this one at the moment helps. There was a whole second gap between the top time and P10 last time I looked.

Great job on the improvement 👍, keep at it as I'm sure there's more in it for you. 👍 :cheers:

EDIT: Down to 1'28.847. Sorry @nowcontrol :sly:
 
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Cool, glad you got it figured out. That was the same mistake someone else made with one of my tunes a few weeks ago. I hardly ever install flat floors. To me, the significant PP jump isn't worth the benefit.

@light driver I don't think you can remove it. The last time I checked, it was an irreversible mod.
Now see, this is what keeps this place human. Even the Great CargoRatt misses a trick now and then.:cool::gtpflag:
 
Found that a , custom rear wing, imagine that!, helped a lot with handling. Made mine wider than standard and set for 20. This Sport Hard tired car is very slippery.
 
Found that a , custom rear wing, imagine that!, helped a lot with handling. Made mine wider than standard and set for 20. This Sport Hard tired car is very slippery.

And that's why I have one on my car. :sly:

@Johnnypenso Glad it helped and congrats on the lap. 👍

@bluecharger I wouldn't call me great (I'm just a small fish among whales in this vast ocean we call GT6), and yea, I wasn't thinking about going that route even though I had done it that way before. I was thinking of the more conventional way of removal like the other mods/add-ons. 👍 But yea, you got me on that one. :embarrassed:
 
@GTP_CargoRatt I'll be checking out your tune Mitch, seems good just by looking at the numbers.. And yes I think you've nailed the power upgrades, and the final gear. These are the ones I picked in my original tune.👍.
I'm curious to check your suspension, gearbox and lsd, you always seem to pull out a bunny or two out of that magic hat of yours!:cheers:
 
Well...
I tried xZAMGMarmite's, Clueless's and JujiroMatsuda's tunes, but they did not work for me (too "tail happy" IMO).
I returned to my own tune (worth what it's worth) and I managed to improve my time a little bit: 1:31:808.
Currently 1045th on the leaderboard, but this will not last.

For those interested, here is the tune I used:

Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
Weight reduction: Level 3
Carbon hood
Light glasses
Rear wing
Racing suspension
Custom gearbox
Racing brakes
Custom differential
Triple-plate clutch
Carbon shaft

Settings:
Suspension:
Ride height: 110 / 110
Damping: 6.46 / 7.45
Compression: 6 / 5
Extension: 5 / 6
Anti-roll bars: 4 / 4
Camber: 0 / 0
Toe: -0.05 / 0.10
Brakes: 7 / 5

Gearbox:
Top speed: 230 km/h
1st gear: 3,227
2nd gear: 2,283
3rd gear: 1,716
4th gear: 1,348
5th gear: 1,107
6th gear: 0,950
Final gear: 4,300

Differential:
Initial torque: -- / 10
Acceleration: -- / 30
Braking: -- / 20

Power limiting: 98.6%

Downforce: 0 / 15
Ballast: 0

The car is well balanced. It allows late braking, accelerates well and feels very stable. Not too "tail happy".

Feel free to try this and even change some of the parameters. And please give me your feedback, I really need to learn how to tune cars.
Now time to try the other events.
Sadly, it's obviously a carbon copy of ACSR421 's tune. 👎
 
Hi all, If you are like me and really struggling :grumpy: with this TT read on, 💡
If you are like me and suffer from a basic lack of talent and poor technique you will absolutely hate this TT and be very frustrated.:banghead:
So here a few tips for the speed challenged like me. :lol:

I really dislike this track :irked::yuck:
1. Start with a good tune :bowdown: @GTP_CargoRatt is good.
2. SRF is forced off so will be hard to control :rolleyes:(The hand of GOD can't save you my friend) so give the car some traction.:dopey: Unskilled people like me rely on this a lot.:dunce:
3. Traction control is your friend (1-3 should do it);) You don't need to be a hero :)
4. Active steering is also your friend;)
5. Increase your LSD settings ( make the values higher) This will stop you from spinning out so much.🤬
6. Increase the value of your ARB ( will give the car more stability)
7. Go easy on the throttle . Remember you are not:bowdown: @doodlemonoply or:bowdown: @CRANK_U1

I went from 20,000 ish to a 1:31.027 and :D 760th spot using these tips.:cool:
I know its not very good compared to the top drivers, but it will get you GOLD and save your sanity and remember there are about another 40,000 plus people behind me.
Please don't dis me or pick this to shreds if you are one of the skilled ones who can easily get under 1:30, remember this is for those who are :ouch:struggling to get GOLD . It may not work for you, but worked a treat for me. Hope this helps a few fellow plodders out there.
Peace all :cheers:
 
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5. Increase your LSD settings ( make the values higher) This will stop you from spinning out so much.🤬
All good advice:tup:👍 except for this. The higher the Accel LSD is, the more likely you are to start spinning the outside rear tire on full throttle before the inner tire and this will cause you to spin out. @GTP_CargoRatt has a setting that's likely close to optimum for everyone which is 5/18. Depending on how much car control you have you might even go to 14-16. But to go to 20 and beyond you're increasing your risk of outside wheelspin under power and you definitely don't want that.
 
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All good advice:tup:👍 except for this. The higher the Accel LSD is, the more likely you are to start spinning the outside rear tire on full throttle before the inner tire and this will cause you to spin out. @GTP_CargoRatt has a setting that's likely close to optimum for everyone which is 5/18. Depending on how much car control you have you might even go to 14-16. But to go to 20 and beyond your'e increasing your risk of outside wheelspin under power and you definitely don't want that.
At this kind of power level both high and low LSD accel settings can provide stability, the car doesn't really have enough torque to light the tyres up with a locked diff so you just get a load of grip and much faster corner exits as a result. You do have to adjust your line slightly as you can't get on the power as early as you would with a more open diff but you get so much more of the power down on to the track. Depends on driving style really
 
At this kind of power level both high and low LSD accel settings can provide stability, the car doesn't really have enough torque to light the tyres up with a locked diff so you just get a load of grip and much faster corner exits as a result. You do have to adjust your line slightly as you can't get on the power as early as you would with a more open diff but you get so much more of the power down on to the track. Depends on driving style really
I have seen some tunes bandied about with settings up to 60 and went "OMG WOW! How on earth does THAT work?" so I guess I see what you mean, but do you have to really chuck it up there? Meaning, as Johnnypenso says, most will experience the best balance around 15 to 25, so is there some threshold for higher settings to be stable?
 
I have seen some tunes bandied about with settings up to 60 and went "OMG WOW! How on earth does THAT work?" so I guess I see what you mean, but do you have to really chuck it up there? Meaning, as Johnnypenso says, most will experience the best balance around 15 to 25, so is there some threshold for higher settings to be stable?
Its important to inform people about other methods so they're not limited to one option. I didn't intend it to be derogatory in any way.
There is a threshold for torque/grip when using a locked diff but I can't quote an exact figure due to the amount of variables involved. Its always worth trying, works extremely well on tracks with slow corners leading into long straights as you gather speed much faster leaving the corner due to not wasting any power spinning the inside wheel. It has a very direct feel and does make the car slightly harder to rotate under throttle so you need to be careful and precise about when you put your foot down.
 
Its important to inform people about other methods so they're not limited to one option. I didn't intend it to be derogatory in any way.
There is a threshold for torque/grip when using a locked diff but I can't quote an exact figure due to the amount of variables involved. Its always worth trying, works extremely well on tracks with slow corners leading into long straights as you gather speed much faster leaving the corner due to not wasting any power spinning the inside wheel. It has a very direct feel and does make the car slightly harder to rotate under throttle so you need to be careful and precise about when you put your foot down.
I think I see where "derogatory" came from....sorry, what I meant by "chuck it up there" is set the LSD MUCH higher than the generally standard 40 when you get the adjustable LSD. You know, like if you're trying to toss a rock onto a ledge, your pal might say "you gotta REALLY chuck it up there!". I know, there's all around increased "sensitivity" aropund here these days with PD producing nothing good, so no worries! :cheers:
And thanks, I'll play around a bit with LSD, see what keeps me happy!
 
I think I see where "derogatory" came from....sorry, what I meant by "chuck it up there" is set the LSD MUCH higher than the generally standard 40 when you get the adjustable LSD. You know, like if you're trying to toss a rock onto a ledge, your pal might say "you gotta REALLY chuck it up there!". I know, there's all around increased "sensitivity" aropund here these days with PD producing nothing good, so no worries! :cheers:
And thanks, I'll play around a bit with LSD, see what keeps me happy!
No offence taken so no worries there mate. Its always difficult with text to discern intentional flak from regional dialect, a few folks on here are a bit closed minded and don't like being being told different things.

Its well worth at try, you'll know if its not working because the car will behave like a drift car and just light up both tyres as soon as you touch the throttle, this means theres not enough grip and too much torque. If it is working you'll just get a very solid and powerful drive out of the corner which can be key using certain cars on certain circuits.
 
At this kind of power level both high and low LSD accel settings can provide stability, the car doesn't really have enough torque to light the tyres up with a locked diff so you just get a load of grip and much faster corner exits as a result. You do have to adjust your line slightly as you can't get on the power as early as you would with a more open diff but you get so much more of the power down on to the track. Depends on driving style really

I have to disagree. Even at my low LSD settings, I have no problem spinning the tires if I'm not careful. Sure, a setting of 60 is workable, but only if you have great throttle control. I find that at that high of a setting, you are having to work against the LSD, with the throttle control, as opposed to having it set lower and not having to worry so much about that egg under the throttle pedal. :sly:

Just read your response above and let me add this. You can never have too much torque. Its how you manage that torque that will prove beneficial. ;)
 
I have to disagree. Even at my low LSD settings, I have no problem spinning the tires if I'm not careful. Sure, a setting of 60 is workable, but only if you have great throttle control. I find that at that high of a setting, you are having to work against the LSD, with the throttle control, as opposed to having it set lower and not having to worry so much about that egg under the throttle pedal. :sly:
Oddly enough I found I was getting more wheel spin with a more open Diff because of the way the power shifts from one wheel to another constantly, kind of upsets the balance of the rear. With it set at 50+ the power delivery was much more linear and there was no sign of it letting go under power unless you intentionally tried to drift it, even then it would light the rears up briefly and then the revs would die because there isn't enough torque to keep them spinning.
Your tunes seem fairly popular and successful in these events so obviously I can't doubt your credentials in any way, I'm just offering and alternative train of thought that most people don't try. High Acc settings aren't purely reserved for drift cars, they can work well on grip cars as well.
Kudos on your success by the way, I always see your tunes getting great times.
 
From the days of GT5 I can remember the LSD acting funny. What I mean by funny is that it always gave me a not so precise, not so positive feeling as to what I would expect it to do. It seemed to me I could replicate the same type of result both on the low side somewhere around 18 and higher up towards 30-40. It's like two windows in which you can see and feel the differences even in a scale of a single or a couple units. out of these windows seems rather large differences make no noticeable changes. Maybe its just me hallucinating, I would like to know what others think about that. Anyway this funny unstable feeling is present in GT6 as well.
 
All good advice:tup:👍 except for this. The higher the Accel LSD is, the more likely you are to start spinning the outside rear tire on full throttle before the inner tire and this will cause you to spin out. @GTP_CargoRatt has a setting that's likely close to optimum for everyone which is 5/18. Depending on how much car control you have you might even go to 14-16. But to go to 20 and beyond you're increasing your risk of outside wheelspin under power and you definitely don't want that.[/quote

All good advice:tup:👍 except for this. The higher the Accel LSD is, the more likely you are to start spinning the outside rear tire on full throttle before the inner tire and this will cause you to spin out. @GTP_CargoRatt has a setting that's likely close to optimum for everyone which is 5/18. Depending on how much car control you have you might even go to 14-16. But to go to 20 and beyond you're increasing your risk of outside wheelspin under power and you definitely don't want that.
Thanks for the feedback Johnny. You are an experienced tuner and certainly know your stuff. I on the other hand know stuff all. Just saying what worked for me . I struggled to get a clean lap
I have to disagree. Even at my low LSD settings, I have no problem spinning the tires if I'm not careful. Sure, a setting of 60 is workable, but only if you have great throttle control. I find that at that high of a setting, you are having to work against the LSD, with the throttle control, as opposed to having it set lower and not having to worry so much about that egg under the throttle pedal. :sly:

Just read your response above and let me add this. You can never have too much torque. Its how you manage that torque that will prove beneficial. ;)
Hi guys, thanks for the feedback Johnny.
Cargo , Johnny and DolHaus are all very experienced tuners and their advice should be listened to. Without their tunes I would have given up on GT 5 & 6 .
My post is what worked for me and intended as basic advice purely for those who are struggling to get Gold on this TT.

These guys know their stuff and I know stuff all. I used Cargo's tune and found it good for me , but I kept spinning out (my fault not his ) so I changed the LSD settings up slighty and hey presto I had less spin outs.
So as I said " It may not work for you, but it worked for me"

So if you still can't get Gold , give it a try you have nothing to lose.
:) Stay happy everyone.
 
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Oddly enough I found I was getting more wheel spin with a more open Diff because of the way the power shifts from one wheel to another constantly, kind of upsets the balance of the rear. With it set at 50+ the power delivery was much more linear and there was no sign of it letting go under power unless you intentionally tried to drift it, even then it would light the rears up briefly and then the revs would die because there isn't enough torque to keep them spinning.
Your tunes seem fairly popular and successful in these events so obviously I can't doubt your credentials in any way, I'm just offering and alternative train of thought that most people don't try. High Acc settings aren't purely reserved for drift cars, they can work well on grip cars as well.
Kudos on your success by the way, I always see your tunes getting great times.

What is your Initial setting at? That has a lot to do with it as well as the gearing that is being used, among a few other things.
 
Good tune cargo :cheers: But i usually use my own transmission settings now down to 1.28.2xx or 1.28.1xx lol dont remember exactly :P still room to improve. I can see a low to mid 1.27 :)
 
From the days of GT5 I can remember the LSD acting funny. What I mean by funny is that it always gave me a not so precise, not so positive feeling as to what I would expect it to do. It seemed to me I could replicate the same type of result both on the low side somewhere around 18 and higher up towards 30-40. It's like two windows in which you can see and feel the differences even in a scale of a single or a couple units. out of these windows seems rather large differences make no noticeable changes. Maybe its just me hallucinating, I would like to know what others think about that. Anyway this funny unstable feeling is present in GT6 as well.
There definitely still a window of sorts with LSD settings (and spring rates) but it feels slightly better in 6 I think, not as obvious as it was in 5. As with all the tuning aspects it feels much more refined in 6, there's a lot more things to consider when setting the car up, you can't just throw settings at it and hope it will work like you could in 5
 
There definitely still a window of sorts with LSD settings (and spring rates) but it feels slightly better in 6 I think, not as obvious as it was in 5. As with all the tuning aspects it feels much more refined in 6, there's a lot more things to consider when setting the car up, you can't just throw settings at it and hope it will work like you could in 5

Agree! GT6 is better, GT5 tuning was as predictable as an omellete recipee:lol:
 
I was running 10/50/25

I see, could be the gearing then that's enabling you to use the higher Accel settings. Even with the Initial set at 10 though, that is still going to make a bit of a difference as opposed to it being say set at 5. I have found that in GT6 each little adjustment you make seems to have more of a profound effect that it did in GT5.

At any rate, if your way works for you then that's good, just means it could also help out someone else with close to your style. Variety is the key here to helping out everyone here. :cheers:
 
I see, could be the gearing then that's enabling you to use the higher Accel settings. Even with the Initial set at 10 though, that is still going to make a bit of a difference as opposed to it being say set at 5. I have found that in GT6 each little adjustment you make seems to have more of a profound effect that it did in GT5.

At any rate, if your way works for you then that's good, just means it could also help out someone else with close to your style. Variety is the key here to helping out everyone here. :cheers:
Its purely down to the amount of torque available, if there is more torque than the tyres can handle then the wheels will spin, if there's less then the car will put 100% of the power to the tarmac and you will accelerate much faster. If you have a very low initial then its like an on/off switch that goes from 0-100% power every time you go off/on the gas, this will break traction due to the brutality of the transition. If you just raise the Initial slightly then it softens the power transition and makes stops it jolting the wheels loose.
Works well on tracks such a Motegi East where you are either on or off the throttle, if you try it you will find you are leaving your ghost for dead on corner exit every time. Doesn't work so well on twisty circuits where throttle inputs are less definitive because it does make the car slightly unwilling to rotate when accelerating.
 
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