Mazda RX-7 (FD) Non-Racing Car Super Lap: Special Stage Route 5

[Johnnypenso]

Stuff...

Okay, so I had another crack at it with 10/50 LSD and my tweaked Cargo tune. At first it tightened up the car too much and I couldn't take some corners as quickly because I was running into the wall, but I was still within a few tenths. So I took off some rear aero, added some negative toe, ARB's, ride height etc. the usual stuff to loosen it up and within a few laps I was running right on top of my previous ghost often a tenth or two up but making mistakes. After about 15 laps I beat my ghost by 0.2 then had a perfect hairpin and shaved off another 0.2 to beat my previous time by 0.4. I'm into the 1:28.3 area (didn't look at the ranking)now and I think if I could put my sectors together I could get into the 27's.

It makes the car feel more stable but you have to tune the understeer out on throttle. The outside wheelspin I expected didn't materialize, probably because there isn't enough torque/power to spin Sports Hards in this car/track combination except in the tighter corners. All in all I say well done and it's something I'm going to experiment with in the future. Thanks for the tip:tup:👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Just thought I'd copy and paste my post from the other Seasonal TT thread here as well so those of you taking part in this TT know how I feel and appreciate everyone's kind words and compliments.

"To the rest of you as well, I can't express enough what all your kind words and compliments mean to me. Really puts a smile on my face and makes me feel like I have a purpose here, really makes me feel like this is home for me, right here in this sub-forum. You know, if it wasn't for my burning desire to compete and be the best I can be, I could just come here and make tunes for you guys and be just as happy in helping you guys out here. Everytime someone comments and says that my tunes, or a part of, has helped them reach new heights or helped them improve, really makes me happy knowing that I had a small part in helping them reach their goals. I really feel at home here in the Seasonal TT forums and you guys are like family to me here. I wouldn't trade my time here with you guys for anything, it is truly an amazing place, and all of you are what makes it great.

Sorry to be off-topic, but too many times we get caught up in things here and forget the real reason why we are here...to enjoy the game, the friendly competition, and most of all, just to have fun. Sorry, but I just felt this was something that I needed to say, to let you guys know just how much I appreciate you all and love being friends with everyone here. Keep it real you guys as only you can. Peace, and as always, stay fast my friends."

Mitch "CargoRatt"

 

[rams1de]

There's definitely a cut off point, torque is great as long as the tyres/suspension can handle it. If you're producing more torque than can be transferred to the road then its useless, just turns into wheel spin and reduced grip/stability. In this case it would be beneficial to find ways of reducing it such as selective upgrade parts selection (don't fit a turbo), power limiter and open LSD settings.

Now we have the Data Logger these things can be determined by in-game data comparing Wheel Speeds.

 

[DolHaus]

Now we have the Data Logger these things can be determined by in-game data comparing Wheel Speeds.

Yeah for sure, I haven't looked into the data logger much yet but I'm sure the answers are in there somewhere.

 

[StirlingMoose]

Well, CargoRatt, it looks like I owe you a drink. 1:28.870 for 94th place, one behind you on the leaderboard. I think I'll leave it at that for now. It wouldn't do to beat you with your own tune now, would it.
Seriously though, that must be a cracking tune to get me into the top 100. Good luck with the Academy. I hope you realise your dream.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Well, CargoRatt, it looks like I owe you a drink. 1:28.870 for 94th place, one behind you on the leaderboard. I think I'll leave it at that for now. It wouldn't do to beat you with your own tune now, would it.
Seriously though, that must be a cracking tune to get me into the top 100. Good luck with the Academy. I hope you realise your dream.

Great job my friend and congrats on the lap. You don't owe me anything, just knowing I was able to help you reach your goal is good enough for me. 👍 Also, I'm not bothered if you better me with my own tune or not, just means we are on pretty much equal ground and you are the better driver, no worries. 👍 Thanks for the well wishes for the Academy. 👍 I honestly don't know how its all going to play out, but you can bet that I'm going to lay it all out on the line. Nobody knows just how bad I want this, but trust me, if I make it, you'll hear the celebration around the world.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I am enjoying this Seasonal, probably due to the return of the no-SRF TT, and I've put together a tune for it that might help a couple of people reach their targets. I managed to get down to a 1:27.745, good for 15th as of today.

Seasonal Tune Only for Special Stage Route 5 ​

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Thanks to @DolHaus for his suggestions on the LSD and @GTP_CargoRatt whose excellent tune was the jumping off point for this effort.

Parts List

Suspension - Custom Suspension, Racing Brakes
Transmission and Drivetrain - All Upgrades
Power - Sports ECU, Racing Exhaust, Catalytic Converter Sports
Body - Weight Reduction 3, Custom Rear Wing

Note: Transmission set using tranny method #2
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[JogoAsobi]

I am enjoying this Seasonal, probably due to the return of the no-SRF TT, and I've put together a tune for it that might help a couple of people reach their targets.

OP updated.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

I am enjoying this Seasonal, probably due to the return of the no-SRF TT, and I've put together a tune for it that might help a couple of people reach their targets. I managed to get down to a 1:27.745, good for 15th as of today.

Seasonal Tune Only for Special Stage Route 5 ​

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Thanks to @DolHaus for his suggestions on the LSD and @GTP_CargoRatt whose excellent tune was the jumping off point for this effort.

Parts List

Suspension - Custom Suspension, Racing Brakes
Transmission and Drivetrain - All Upgrades
Power - Sports ECU, Racing Exhaust, Catalytic Converter Sports
Body - Weight Reduction 3, Custom Rear Wing

Note: Transmission set using tranny method #2
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Might try this one, I've been using Cargoratt's tune and can see that if I could string a good lap together it's be around a 1:28.1, but I'd love to crack that 28 barrier.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I am enjoying this Seasonal, probably due to the return of the no-SRF TT, and I've put together a tune for it that might help a couple of people reach their targets. I managed to get down to a 1:27.745, good for 15th as of today.

Seasonal Tune Only for Special Stage Route 5 ​

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Thanks to @DolHaus for his suggestions on the LSD and @GTP_CargoRatt whose excellent tune was the jumping off point for this effort.

Parts List

Suspension - Custom Suspension, Racing Brakes
Transmission and Drivetrain - All Upgrades
Power - Sports ECU, Racing Exhaust, Catalytic Converter Sports
Body - Weight Reduction 3, Custom Rear Wing

Note: Transmission set using tranny method #2
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Hmmm, everything up until the toe looks quite similar to my tune. Since its so close, I'll have to give it a try and see if the tweaks you made work.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hmmm, everything up until the toe looks quite similar to my tune. Since its so close, I'll have to give it a try and see if the tweaks you made work.

Of course, yours is an excellent set up:tup:👍. I'm interested to see if it's any better for you.

One of the things I started doing which helped me, was to ride the throttle quite hard on braking into the first corner (the tunnel left hander not the little kink) which helped the back end be more stable and avoid swinging out like it naturally wants to do when you come in hot. Seems like once you lose it there the car wants to keep sliding out and then you cook the tires and lose a lot of speed mid-corner and you get all unbalanced on exit.

Getting the tight hairpin right was also crucial. Brake way late, get the car slowed down to the right speed, and a little flick to ever so gently get the rear end to swing around. If you get it right, the car lazily floats around the corner and you feather in the throttle (in 2nd for me) and off you go. Get it wrong and you spin, or go to deep. Even a few feet off the apex there isn't much grip. There's a concrete abutment between two light poles on the right side, that's my reference point for braking.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

I am enjoying this Seasonal, probably due to the return of the no-SRF TT, and I've put together a tune for it that might help a couple of people reach their targets. I managed to get down to a 1:27.745, good for 15th as of today.

Seasonal Tune Only for Special Stage Route 5 ​

View attachment 142522

Thanks to @DolHaus for his suggestions on the LSD and @GTP_CargoRatt whose excellent tune was the jumping off point for this effort.

Parts List

Suspension - Custom Suspension, Racing Brakes
Transmission and Drivetrain - All Upgrades
Power - Sports ECU, Racing Exhaust, Catalytic Converter Sports
Body - Weight Reduction 3, Custom Rear Wing

Note: Transmission set using tranny method #2
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Monster tune. Had a lot more traction exiting corners than Cargoratt's, which is partly LSD but probably also the more conventional toe settings. Cargoratt's toe settings made the car a bit floatier in the turn which was good mid corner, but didn't give such a positive feeling getting on the gas.

Made a couple of tweaks, in that since I don't run ABS I left off the racing brakes and set BB to 5-4. I also couldn't get the gearing by doing your tranny method 2, I had to set the F/D to 3.400 to get the gears.

I immediately did several 28.4s and .5s off the bat and have just got down to a 1:27.748 for 16th place (will be my highest ever placing, beating my previous 83rd for sure barring a last minute dash), just 3 3 thousands of a second behind you @Johnnypenso.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Monster tune. Had a lot more traction exiting corners than Cargoratt's, which is partly LSD but probably also the more conventional toe settings. Cargoratt's toe settings made the car a bit floatier in the turn which was good mid corner, but didn't give such a positive feeling getting on the gas.

Made a couple of tweaks, in that since I don't run ABS I left off the racing brakes and set BB to 5-4. I also couldn't get the gearing by doing your tranny method 2, I had to set the F/D to 3.400 to get the gears.

I immediately did several 28.4s and .5s off the bat and have just got down to a 1:27.748 for 16th place (will be my highest ever placing, beating my previous 83rd for sure barring a last minute dash), just 3 3 thousands of a second behind you @Johnnypenso.

Like I said before, my tunes aren't for everyone. I'm no master tuner and really hardly know what I am doing. I don't post my tunes to win any kind of fame or popularity, I simply post them so that anyone with a similar driving style as mine may find them a bit helpful. Sorry you didn't find my tune useful but glad you found one that was. 👍

@Johnnypenso Tried your tune. It just felt a bit too tight for my style. Nice stable tune, but just really not what I'm used too. Great job on your lap and congrats on the leaderboard position.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Like I said before, my tunes aren't for everyone. I'm no master tuner and really hardly know what I am doing. I don't post my tunes to win any kind of fame or popularity, I simply post them so that anyone with a similar driving style as mine may find them a bit helpful. Sorry you didn't find my tune useful but glad you found one that was. 👍

But your tune was useful, it netted me a 1:28.4 which was .5 faster than I had managed to go on my own tune, there were aspects of your tune that were better, for example, with your tune I could trailbrake much deeper into the tight left hander in sector 1 (the one just before the left, right s-bend) than I could with Johnny's tune. With Johnny's the car had a tendency to lock the outside rear, so I couldn't attack that corner as hard.

Where Johnny's tune gained me the most time was accelerating out of the hairpin, and through the final right-left-right and last corner, apart from those areas your tune and Johnny's were pretty much neck and neck.

And as Johnny said, your tune formed the base of his. So I definitely did find your tune useful.

Without you (and others) posting their tunes I wouldn't have done half as well in recent time trials, so I really appreciate anybody who's willing to help out others.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

But your tune was useful, it netted me a 1:28.4 which was .5 faster than I had managed to go on my own tune, there were aspects of your tune that were better, for example, with your tune I could trailbrake much deeper into the tight left hander in sector 1 (the one just before the left, right s-bend) than I could with Johnny's tune. With Johnny's the car had a tendency to lock the outside rear, so I couldn't attack that corner as hard.

Where Johnny's tune gained me the most time was accelerating out of the hairpin, and through the final right-left-right and last corner, apart from those areas your tune and Johnny's were pretty much neck and neck.

And as Johnny said, your tune formed the base of his. So I definitely did find your tune useful.

Without you (and others) posting their tunes I wouldn't have done half as well in recent time trials, so I really appreciate anybody who's willing to help out others.

I understand and I'm not mad at you 👍, I just don't want people to think that I'm trying to become some sort of tuning genius or something...I just post what works well for me and if someone else finds it useful, then that's just an added bonus and something that makes me feel good. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes here as far as the elite tuners go. Anyway, glad you found something that works and congrats on the improvement.

 

[SileightyCyrus]

Thank you for sharing your tune @Johnnypenso, I'm not sure when we became PSN buddies, but you are lightning fast. I'll have to try your tune and see if I can get closer!

 

[Johnnypenso]

I screwed up a couple of settings on my tune..shoulda waited till morning to post it. There was NO oil change and the tranny settings were way off. Fixed now.

Monster tune. Had a lot more traction exiting corners than Cargoratt's, which is partly LSD but probably also the more conventional toe settings. Cargoratt's toe settings made the car a bit floatier in the turn which was good mid corner, but didn't give such a positive feeling getting on the gas.

Made a couple of tweaks, in that since I don't run ABS I left off the racing brakes and set BB to 5-4. I also couldn't get the gearing by doing your tranny method 2, I had to set the F/D to 3.400 to get the gears.

I immediately did several 28.4s and .5s off the bat and have just got down to a 1:27.748 for 16th place (will be my highest ever placing, beating my previous 83rd for sure barring a last minute dash), just 3 3 thousands of a second behind you @Johnnypenso.

I may give this a go without ABS under my GTP_Johnnypenso account so I can record a time. I did a handful of laps in the FT-1 Seasonal and came within 0.6 of my ABS time. To get into the 27's without ABS is fantastic!!

Thank you for sharing your tune @Johnnypenso, I'm not sure when we became PSN buddies, but you are lightning fast. I'll have to try your tune and see if I can get closer!

I don't remember how it happened either. I saw you ahead of me on the leaderboard and though, "where did he come from?" I get friend requests all the time when I go online and most of them I don't accept unless we ran door to door and had a good race so it must be that

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

I may give this a go without ABS under my GTP_Johnnypenso account so I can record a time. I did a handful of laps in the FT-1 Seasonal and came within 0.6 of my ABS time. To get into the 27's without ABS is fantastic!!

Thanks, there are benefits and drawbacks, I can get great rotation in a lot of the corners without ABS, but it falls down in 2 places: that tight left hander I was talking about in sector 1 as with the diff settings on your tune it has a tendency to lock the rear up downshifting to 2nd, the other place is that I can't brake quite as late as you said your brake reference was into the hairpin- that bump in the braking zone is really tricky- very easy to get all locked up on landing.

I found the same thing in the FT-1 seasonal and I actually beat my FT-1 ABS 1 time by a tenth without ABS because it was better in certain sections (turn 1 though was not ). Obviously being able to adjust diff settings, suspension settings and most importantly brake balance means that there isn't much difference in lap time on this one. 👍

 

[Dalone]

Started using Cargo's tune and achieved 1:31.502 for 1,477th. I think it's a pretty good tune but will try others as even Cargo states his tune is not the be all and end all of tuning.
Looking at Johnnypenso's, will start using his LSD settings, but 25 instead of 50 to start with.

Edit...1:31.192 for 1,161.

Edit...1:30.135, wow, that's a second off. Now at pos' 470. Back to a sub 500 spot. For a while anyway.
Haven't sighted Cargo on this one yet, I guess he's just around that next corner.

 

[LLOYDZELITE69]

Did a 1:27.3xx for7th with @GTP_CargoRatt tune. I've put about 20ish laps into this TT so it's looking good

 

[Nish]

I used Penso's tune for a starter and went from there with my own transmission. We are now only 0.013 seconds apart, sitting 17th and 18th . Not bad for 2 guys living within a 15min drive from each other . I've since kept messing with the tune and fudged mine up so will be starting back at the drawing board tomorrow. Hey @Johnnypenso let me know how my tune does in your hands and maybe I'll start thinking about sharing my tunes as well.

Edit: Damn you @LLOYDZELITE69 . Guess I'm 18th now.

 

[LLOYDZELITE69]

Ahahaha I'm sorry! I noticed two Canadians Up there next to each other so that was pretty cool

 

[Nish]

I had a setup that I figure would be about .3xx faster than my current but started tweaking to try to make it go faster (wrong move). I'll be trying to catch you tomorrow. This no SRF has made things a lot of fun for me.

 

[Nish]

Well I guess I am done for now. My PS3 cannot connect to the servers for more than a couple minutes, my net is fine so I called Sony. They told me they have been aware of many people having the same problem over the past week and I should try it every hour or two from here on out . Great timing.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Ahahaha I'm sorry! I noticed two Canadians Up there next to each other so that was pretty cool

Good to see you up there Lloyd:tup:

Well I guess I am done for now. My PS3 cannot connect to the servers for more than a couple minutes, my net is fine so I called Sony. They told me they have been aware of many people having the same problem over the past week and I should try it every hour or two from here on out . Great timing.

I'm not sure I'll be trying this again so you might take the Windsor crown on this one I can only take so much of running the same car around the same track over and over and I'm at my limit now Might change my mind over the weekend...💡

 

[Nish]

If I can get my PS running stable again I'll be running all the TT's up until GT-A but I'm also getting slightly tired of the track. Also 3 Canadians and 2 from Windsor in the top 20 . If we get pushed out of the 20 you have to run again as I'd say you have more potential speed than I do.

 

[baravnzla]

Just tried cargo's tune but didn't improve my time, i was in the low 31s, felt a little loose for me so i kept runing my own tune (i'm not a great tuner at all) and was able to lower my time to 1:30.080 and 464, just about to get in the 29s

I'll try penso's tune tonight

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just tried cargo's tune but didn't improve my time, i was in the low 31s, felt a little loose for me so i kept runing my own tune (i'm not a great tuner at all) and was able to lower my time to 1:30.080 and 464, just about to get in the 29s

I'll try penso's tune tonight

Now that you've got some time into the Seasonal and figured out what is working for you, I'd suggest going back to try @GTP_CargoRatt 's tune again and see if it helps now. Once you get closer to your limit you'll find that what didn't work for you when you were 2 seconds slower, might be beneficial with a little more experience at the track. Cargo's tune got me a great time and most of my gains after that weren't from my tune (it was developed with his as a base after all) but came instead from being more precise and just more track knowledge.

If I can get my PS running stable again I'll be running all the TT's up until GT-A but I'm also getting slightly tired of the track. Also 3 Canadians and 2 from Windsor in the top 20 . If we get pushed out of the 20 you have to run again as I'd say you have more potential speed than I do.

How is it you're D2 Silver with that kind of speed?. I'm with MNSI since 1997. Only phone DSL and the numbers aren't great but I've never had any connection issues with GT6 that were ISP related.

 

[Nish]

If you like tunes that are a bit tighter I can post the tune I was running before. Got me in the top 50 at the time.

@Johnnypenso Sony confirmed it was on their end (it's not GT6 that is messing up in this case it is PSN) to me so I'm not too worried about my provider (cogeco 10 DL, 2.5 UP and ping usually around 40). About the division placements lets just say I'm at home in a tuned vehicle and I've made huge strides in the last year (from the top 2000's down to the 200's). People that were stiff competition last year are now .5 - 1.5 behind me in the TT's. I'd mostly like to say I think it's just seeing people on my list ahead of me that makes me keep trying.

Bad thing is I have issues practicing, can't use brake markers, drive from chase cam, need to be talking phone or mic (or singing) and have an annoying issue with heavy clothing touching me when I drive. When I have an amazing lap I hardly ever know how I actually did it but once I do it sticks... .

Don't think I could be an actual racer for many of these reasons. Also I'm far from alien.

 

[Doodle]

Did a 1:27.3xx for7th with @GTP_CargoRatt tune. I've put about 20ish laps into this TT so it's looking good

Only 20 laps? That sounds like me.