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Did they specify how low the seats go? The FD3S I drove in the past was pretty low.
Mazda sticks with rotary power
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I'd LOVE to see the RX-Vision (or whatever becomes of it) as a race car. That's even if Polyphony Digital comes up with some "RX-Vision LM Race Car" or something of it for the Gran Turismo series. It's a fabulous machine I hope sees production or even influences future Mazda models.
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-> Well, someone at Car Throtte's FB page posted this:
^ What do you guys think?
^ What do you guys think?
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Someone is a little too attached to the FD, and turned it into a Corvette. Looks awful, I'm sorry. The concept looks so much better honestly.
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That is actually a concept for widebody FD. I think maybe for...Petit racing? Either way, it has none of the elegance of the FD or RX-Vision. Sadly the RX-7 community if filled with the "more aggressive = better" crowd. Just look at some of the atrocious body kits for the 2nd and 3rd generation cars, and you get an idea...
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You know, I actually like both the widebody FD RX-7 thing and this RX-Vision. Maybe go for a best-of-both-worlds approach? I'd say "hire both" here. I would certainly take the front end of the RX-Vision and combine it with the aggressive wide stance of the widebody FD RX-7. It would be like a Super Mazda. Only knock on the widebody FD RX-7 is the front of it. Too much like a Corvette or the 458 Italia. Heck, I almost want to imagine this widebody concept to be like a realistic version of the RX-7 LM Race Car from the Gran Turismo games.
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Too much copy Nissan in that name.
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No.-> Well, someone at Car Throtte's FB page posted this:
^ What do you guys think?
No.
No.
Nope.
No thank you.
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Hahahahaha Car Throttle.-> Well, someone at Car Throtte's FB page posted this:
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Compression ignition anyone?
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/11/16/mazda-rotary-engine-may-lose-its-spark/?intcmp=hpff
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/11/16/mazda-rotary-engine-may-lose-its-spark/?intcmp=hpff
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Not sure if I want to trust Fox News as a veritable news source for the automotive world, but if those words are true, then Mazda is definitely trying to vanquish all the Wankel engine's faults, to make it as efficient as possible... Never thought that the ignition system was actually one of those faults, but it seems that a whole new system could greatly improve the combustion process.
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I like it more, but definitely looks a lot like the Corvette as well as being a bit overdone.-> Well, someone at Car Throtte's FB page posted this:
^ What do you guys think?
Looks like a GT car, would have to have some insane performance to not be stupid.
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It's an article about another article, but the whole idea that it will use HCCI is an assumption. It may do, but Mazda have also been known to have been tinkering with laser ignition for some time. I'd have thought HCCI would bring as many problems as it would solve, given that one of the big problems with rotaries is seals.
All that it really says is that they've solved the problem of needing to have spark plugs off to one side of the combustion chamber, which could mean anything. Hell, maybe they have little spark plugs sticking out of the rotor. Although that would be the worst idea ever for maintenance. Engine rebuild required simply to change sparkies.
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It's an article about another article, but the whole idea that it will use HCCI is an assumption. It may do, but Mazda have also been known to have been tinkering with laser ignition for some time. I'd have thought HCCI would bring as many problems as it would solve, given that one of the big problems with rotaries is seals.
All that it really says is that they've solved the problem of needing to have spark plugs off to one side of the combustion chamber, which could mean anything. Hell, maybe they have little spark plugs sticking out of the rotor. Although that would be the worst idea ever for maintenance. Engine rebuild required simply to change sparkies.
So it's an article about another article, one from an actual car website... Cannot say that I'm surprised about that, honestly, true to Fox News' image through and through.
In essence, it's only a wild guess based on Fujiwara's words, since laser ignition would erase the need for seals all together as opposed to HCCI's seal-based compression, and it would still give Mazda bónus points for techinical innovation. As for little sparks plugs sticking out of the motor, that would be a rather cumbersome solution to say the least... It's no "blower sticking out of the hood", son.
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Perhaps this new rotary engine could possibly be Japan's most technologically advanced engine when it is fully developed? Might be expecting too much for that title, though.So it's an article about another article, one from an actual car website... Cannot say that I'm surprised about that, honestly, true to Fox News' image through and through.
In essence, it's only a wild guess based on Fujiwara's words, since laser ignition would erase the need for seals all together as opposed to HCCI's seal-based compression, and it would still give Mazda bónus points for techinical innovation. As for little sparks plugs sticking out of the motor, that would be a rather cumbersome solution to say the least... It's no "blower sticking out of the hood", son.
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I wouldn't say that you are wrong on that account, but I would say that you may be getting ahead of yourself; we do not know if someone else in Japan can come up with an even more advanced engine that does not fall under the recent standards within automotive technology. Still, we can say that the SKYACTIV-R is indeed one of the most unique engines in recent history, as it is both the renaissance of the Wankel engine and its renovation with new technologies.
So far, all we have are guesses from car websites and Fox News (good lord), based on the words spoken by Fujiwara-san the Mazda engineer;
- Turbocharging definitely confirmed, and more than plausible within the current emission laws. If Mazda wants to make the Wankel both fuel-efficient and emissions-friendly, they must use turbochargers in this case. Had we been talking about the MX-5, that is a whole different story, but with these levels of perfomance turbos are the most likely choice. Since Honda had to give up naturally-aspirated VTEC engines for the sake of regulations, then you know that Mazda will follow...
- Complete and utter refusal to use electric-based systems to power the car as a hybrid; it's clear that Mazda wants to avoid getting to close to the standard trend of hybrid perfomance cars, mainly due to their own levels of hybrid technology (which is still being developed and doesn't power any of the brand's current cars in the markets outside of Japan) and the reason that Fox spoke of, marketing. If Mazda used both turbos and batteries to aid the Wankel engine, it would just become a run-of-the-mill perfomance system that most brands use, where the rotary portion would act merely as a secondary actor. Mazda, being the leading figure in rotary engines, would definitely want to keep away from that for marketing's sake...
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Hence the "expecting too much" of my previous post, haha.
Granted, there are many other high-tech Japanese engines that could be as advanced as the SKYACTIV-R, maybe engines like Lexus's 1LR-GUE.
The news about the engine being turbocharged would bring glee to various 13B purists, maybe. But hey, kudos to Mazda for (in a way) staying in tradition, not breaking it's way for simpler methods to achieve maximum efficiency.
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Haha, yes, you did say that.
And of course, we never know if Nissan, Toyota or Subaru won't come up with innovative engine ideas, even the current batch of JDM engines are already showcasing either great efficency without turbos (Mazda) or the bond between Turbos and older technology (Honda).
Well, I understand that such a decision will probably anger many purists, a la 2017 Ford GT and its V6 engine, but if they do complain, they must look at the other side of the coin; no turbos would mean squeezing a lot of power via more polluting ways which emission law regulators wouldn't be too fond of, and in return the car would be forced to pay the price for doing just that. But Mazda is still sticking to their guns by denying any chances of a hybrid rotary powerplant for their halo sports car, so kudos indeed for maintaining their brand image by respecting the Wankel's position, not overshadowing it with more "run-of-the-mill" solutions.
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No. That design is overly aggressive and not elegant in the slightest. All of Mazda's Kodo designs are pretty, as have been RX7s in the past. That trend needs to continue.-> Well, someone at Car Throtte's FB page posted this:
^ What do you guys think?
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Mazda has flat out denied it's a diesel according to this.
All that has been definitively claimed is that they have "solved the ignition problem."
At this point I'm leaning more towards laser ignition than HCCI. For one, we know for a fact that Mazda has been working on laser ignition for the rotary engine. Secondly, HCCI only works within a certain confined operation range which makes it ideally suited for a generator, but not direct drive applications and we also definitively know that it will not be a hybrid. HCCI would still also require a spark plug to work in certain conditions, thus not solving the intrusion and combustion chamber problem. Lastly, HCCI would likely require 18:1 + compression, and I sincerely doubt the apex seals could withstand that amount of pressure unless there has been a revolutionary change, which I imagine they would have indicated.
I'm inclined to believe it's laser ignition.
All that has been definitively claimed is that they have "solved the ignition problem."
At this point I'm leaning more towards laser ignition than HCCI. For one, we know for a fact that Mazda has been working on laser ignition for the rotary engine. Secondly, HCCI only works within a certain confined operation range which makes it ideally suited for a generator, but not direct drive applications and we also definitively know that it will not be a hybrid. HCCI would still also require a spark plug to work in certain conditions, thus not solving the intrusion and combustion chamber problem. Lastly, HCCI would likely require 18:1 + compression, and I sincerely doubt the apex seals could withstand that amount of pressure unless there has been a revolutionary change, which I imagine they would have indicated.
I'm inclined to believe it's laser ignition.
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It also seems like Mazda is positioning themselves as a very pure driver's sort of car. The new MX5 sort of speaks to that. I think that in this age of computer and electrically assisted everything, there's a definite niche for a car that is, as much as possible, just a car. Engine, suspension, driver, go.
Kind of an anti-P1/918/LaFerrari.
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So in a way, a very interesting way, this car could very well become Mazda's own Lexus LF-A. It has the same ingredients; an unique engine gestation (the LF-A's compact V10 unit vs Mazda's small displacement Wankel), the role of halo sports/supercar within the brand, and of course the pride of one brand who is desperately trying to regain their lost sporty character (Toyota's quest to end Lexus' era of efficent but beige and bland cars on one side, while Mazda is defending the sustainability of a Wankel engine in modern times against strict emission laws)...
Not quite P1/918/TheFerrari levels of anthesis, but if anything, "insert production car name here" could very well be Japan's (and especially Mazda's) remix of the LF-A condrum. A quest to please car journalists and fans all around the world, with a drivers' car that refuses to follow the regulations which everyone else plays by... It can happen, diesel ignition or not.
