Mazda sticks with rotary power
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-> Bah...
Savanna
Cosmo
-> Or make it more in tune, why not Mazda7!? But in all honesty, it should be an RX-. But...
- Bigger than RX-8 = RX-9
- Smaller than RX-8 = RX-7
^ Simple math.
-> And...
^ This (or these) bothers me, other than not releasing the engine specs.
Sorry, but the Japanese Domestic Market has exploited the acronym world to oblivion and back. Can't be helped...
If anything, RX-V doesn't sound that bad. I do know it's a name used for Yamaha receivers/amplifiers, but at least it is not being used by any car company... not that I know of, at least.
Perhaps the Mazda Tinder?
Surely it's not possible to call anything a Cougar any more with a straight face. You might as well call it the Mazda Menopause.
^ Why not just revive some old rotary names like:
Savanna
Cosmo
-> Or make it more in tune, why not Mazda7!? But in all honesty, it should be an RX-. But...
- Bigger than RX-8 = RX-9
- Smaller than RX-8 = RX-7
^ Simple math.
-> And...
^ This (or these) bothers me, other than not releasing the engine specs.
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Still an RX-7 though.^ Why not just revive some old rotary names like:
Savanna
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The "named" cars were reserved for the home market of Japan. Given the company's current marketing strategy, it still wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.
The Mazda Familia is now what we call the Mazda 3 and was the basis for the Familia Rotary, or R100 everywhere else in the world. Similarly, the Grand Familia (higher tier version of the normal Familia) was the RX-3 which later gained the unique name Savanna in Japan. The RX-3 was also the basis of the first gen RX-7, their chassis, suspension, and powertrain are nearly identical.
The Mazda Capella is now what we call the Mazda 6 and was the basis for the RX-2.
The full size/premium/luxury car is a bit more tricky. The 2 door cars have mostly been called Cosmo and the 4 door cars have mostly been called Luce, but there were a few exceptions. The RX-4 was offered with both 2 and 4 door body styles and carried the Luce name in Japan. The Luce R130 was not sold outside of Japan and was only offered in 2 door configuration. It was also the only fwd rotary Mazda ever made.
Interestingly, there was never an RX-6. Rumor suggests that the REPU (rotary engined pickup) was originally to be called the RX-5 and the car that actually was named RX-5 (the Cosmo in Japan) was planned to be called the RX-6. Blame an Australian marketing executive.
The number in the RX series designation doesn't appear to be chronological but rather highly specific to the actual model being produced, at least from the RX-2 onwards. The problem is that most of these models were only made for one generation before the oil crisis happened. There would likely be less confusion if there were several generations of the RX-2, for instance. A fourth generation R100 (RX-1 it probably would have been renamed) could have been this....
1(00): Subcompact car
2: Mid size sedan/coupe
3: Compact sedan/coupe
4: Premium sedan/coupe
5: Pickup (at least it was supposed to be)
6: Premium sedan/personal Grand Tourer (The MX-6 corroborates this)
7: Sports Car
8: 2+2 Sports Car
9: Super car?
Very early rotary Mazdas (R100, R130, L10 Cosmo), RX-5 Cosmo/Repu naming convention oddity and the fact that Mazda launched a failed attempt at a Luxury brand (Eunos) are really the only things that diverged from the pretty straightforward model naming system. If this new car is and built and it is a sports car it should probably be called an RX-7. If it's in a higher class then that, maybe RX-9 could be used.
The Mazda Familia is now what we call the Mazda 3 and was the basis for the Familia Rotary, or R100 everywhere else in the world. Similarly, the Grand Familia (higher tier version of the normal Familia) was the RX-3 which later gained the unique name Savanna in Japan. The RX-3 was also the basis of the first gen RX-7, their chassis, suspension, and powertrain are nearly identical.
The Mazda Capella is now what we call the Mazda 6 and was the basis for the RX-2.
The full size/premium/luxury car is a bit more tricky. The 2 door cars have mostly been called Cosmo and the 4 door cars have mostly been called Luce, but there were a few exceptions. The RX-4 was offered with both 2 and 4 door body styles and carried the Luce name in Japan. The Luce R130 was not sold outside of Japan and was only offered in 2 door configuration. It was also the only fwd rotary Mazda ever made.
Interestingly, there was never an RX-6. Rumor suggests that the REPU (rotary engined pickup) was originally to be called the RX-5 and the car that actually was named RX-5 (the Cosmo in Japan) was planned to be called the RX-6. Blame an Australian marketing executive.
The number in the RX series designation doesn't appear to be chronological but rather highly specific to the actual model being produced, at least from the RX-2 onwards. The problem is that most of these models were only made for one generation before the oil crisis happened. There would likely be less confusion if there were several generations of the RX-2, for instance. A fourth generation R100 (RX-1 it probably would have been renamed) could have been this....
1(00): Subcompact car
2: Mid size sedan/coupe
3: Compact sedan/coupe
4: Premium sedan/coupe
5: Pickup (at least it was supposed to be)
6: Premium sedan/personal Grand Tourer (The MX-6 corroborates this)
7: Sports Car
8: 2+2 Sports Car
9: Super car?
Very early rotary Mazdas (R100, R130, L10 Cosmo), RX-5 Cosmo/Repu naming convention oddity and the fact that Mazda launched a failed attempt at a Luxury brand (Eunos) are really the only things that diverged from the pretty straightforward model naming system. If this new car is and built and it is a sports car it should probably be called an RX-7. If it's in a higher class then that, maybe RX-9 could be used.
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Remember, the Familia(piston version) was the 323 GT(USA)and then, Protege in the USA(in Australia as well). Then, Mazda3.
Also, the MX-3 & MX-5 couldn't be more complete opposites. So, they are going to settle with just the number, it could be anything.
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Which is why I said:
The MX-6 was a Capella ("6") and the MX-3 was basically a Familia ("3"). I don't see a discrepancy. By the time both models were around, most people had probably forgotten the earlier nomenclature so calling the MX-6 an MX-2 (as would have been technically correct in the 70s) or the MX-3 an MX-1 would have made little sense if you think in context of the MX-5 Miata. I think the entire MX thing was tied to the introduction of the Autozam, Efini, and Eunos brands, as well as Ford's ownership. It didn't stick around except for the massively successful MX-5.
If Mazda produces the RX-Vision and it's a 2 seater sports car, I still vote that it should be RX-7.
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Given if this is supposed to be an RX-7 what level of performance would this be at if you went by the last generation.
M4 Coupe Level or 370Z level?
The GT-R, Supra and NSX(GTO and Cosmo where also in this class probably) were the highest tier level of the 90s and the RX-7 was in the middle between these and the Evo vs STi tier.
M4 Coupe Level or 370Z level?
The GT-R, Supra and NSX(GTO and Cosmo where also in this class probably) were the highest tier level of the 90s and the RX-7 was in the middle between these and the Evo vs STi tier.
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Well I hope this car won't follow the direction of the others (GT-R = $100k+ / NSX = $150k+ / Supra = probably $100k+ if it's produced) as I feel like it would fail at that price point. I'd love for them to try and keep it under $50-60k, even though that is still way out of my affordability zone.
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Given that those have continued on what prices they would be if they didn't stop suggests it will probably be around that price.
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I don't think so. If anything it may be a couple grand less or so, maybe even 10-30k less, depending on what's in it.
Aside from the SKYACTIV and the hybrid system, the RX-V seems like it doesn't need as much tech as the others (Active Aero, AWD systems, etc.) to get it to where it needs to be on the spot.
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What are the current prices for a 370Z and M4 coupe in the US?
My guess would be somewhere in the middle.
This was where it was in 1993: http://m.caranddriver.com/features/1993-10best-cars-1993-mazda-rx-7-page-8
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It blows my mind that the 370z has not found more buyers. That's a lot of car for $29k.
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Well the current design is dated. But according so my boss it's still "selling well" so they're not worried about it.
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It's been around for about 7 years, hasn't it?
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I was banking on the MX-5 coming in at $50k.
The MX-5 actually dropped $20k and that has two engine choices. A 370Z goes for $70k the S2000 went for $75k. Mazda will find a way to make it "affordable". Mazda is clever. The 2/CX-3/3 interiors look upscale. I can't wait to see how they engineer this one.
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Not sure if this is the right place to discuss this, but I REALLY love that RX-Vision concept. That car almost looks like the all-grown-up offspring of current Mazdas and an Aston Martin. All-grown-up may even describe the RX-7 if the RX-7 were reborn to something similar to the RX-Vision concept. Imagine if this car were to play against other top-line Japanese sports cars like the GT-R and the NSX. Anyhow, I would be very interested to see what becomes of this car, if anything.
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Wait, so how big was the RX-V? As big or larger than the FD?
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I would say the RX-5 was quite a bit larger than the FD. The FD is tiny.
edit: V /= 5 My mistake.
edit: V /= 5 My mistake.
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Oh hey, not that far off, I guess?
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I have all the answers!
http://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/mazda-news/mazda-new-sports-car-concept/
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