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Just for interest's sake what is the slowest car in Gr4?
Megane GR4
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I think that we need to give PD until the real FIA races start. If they haven't tuned BOP well enough by then, then I agree something is wrong.
However, I think that given the manufacturer racing will be a series, it's fine if some manufacturers cars do better on certain tracks than other (to a certain extent, like within a second on interlagos, slightly more for longer circuits), as long as they balance the circuits we're racing in the manufacturer series well enough that there is ample chance for each "type" of car to win.
However, if all of the circuits they choose for the FIA manufacturer races (not test season) happen to favour a certain manufacturers GR.4 car (because let's face is GR.4 is the hardest to balance, whereas GR.3 is relatively easy) then that will be a problem.
As it stands right now, there are a handful of relatively even "S tier" GR.3 cars, and then a bunch that are right behind the "S tier" in "A tier" with relatively few cars being noncompetitive.
Gr.4 is a jumbled mess with basically 2 cars in the "S tier" 3-4 cars in the "A tier" and the rest mostly jumbled around in B,C,D - which doesn't give the drivers enough variety because most of the cars are noncompetitive with the Megane or the Scirroco.
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I'm not sure, but I think the Lexus is the slowest/worst GR.4 car I've driven.
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- Outspacer
Good point, that it could/should be per track. Apart from Manufacturer's series, we might otherwise just have different tracks ending up as different one-makes. But TBH, even if they were balanced using all tracks, I don't think it would be as bad as the current situation, anywhere - I'd like to see that tried first, at least. It's sad because before 1.06 it seemed like just a little tweak to Gr4 was all that was needed.
Might be worth resurrecting dynamic bop solution, maybe that one arguer will stay quiet
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I was at Interlagos today for first time in a month in a daily. Thought Id try this Megane as an experiment and run with the pack. This was my whole race basically. Couldn't shake this guy, whenever he cheated I caught up soon, passed him and got got punted off again, so we could never get close to leaders. His whole race was against just me I think.
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Actually the WEC started doing that for the GTE cars this year using an FIA/ACO algorithm to automatically determine the weight and power adjustments without human involvement.
https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/wec-sets-up-automatic-balance-of-performance-for-gte-889741/
PD has a partnership with the FIA and more data than any real world racing series could ever hope to have. There's no excuse for not having better BOP. In an ideal world it would be automated and updated daily. One make races could always be added to fill data needs on less popular cars. Gr.3 isn't too bad, but Gr.4 needs major adjustment.
I've been driving the TT for a week or so, and I generally like the way it drives for an FF. I just tried the Megane for the first time in today's Interlagos race. My optimal lap time was a 1:37:8xx, but I couldn't run consistent laps and my actual best lap was only a 1:38.9xx. I really didn't like this car after coming from the TT. I didn't bother to enter any races with the Megane, so I went back to my TT. I ran a 1:38.215 in qualifying and got 2 poles and 2 wins in the 5 races I did. I haven't tried the Scirocco, but hopefully a BOP adjustment is coming soon, and I can get back to driving my Gr.4 Corvette.
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Mitsibushi Lancer no doubt, I picked that brand last week and couldn't keep up with anyone.
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My one off daily experiment working for the Dark Side has nearly ended, phew. Managed to get SR down to A finally YES! Woohoo time to get hands dirty now.
Here's a typical Megane **** sandwich. Me in the middle.
Here's a typical Megane **** sandwich. Me in the middle.
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The fastest time on Interlagos daily race leaderboards was done by a very fast Japanese driver in the Corvette Gr.4 (whereas the other 9 where meganes). Towards the end of the sport daily period, someone in a Megane only managed to beat that time by about a tenth. I think based on that the Corvette definitely has the pace.
Didn't see this before I posted my comment. That was a great lap!
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Why are there Lambos in a Megane Cup race?
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- phil_75
A car with a ton of torque (like the Mégane) will do great at the track OP is discussing, which is Brazil.
Different cars are good on different tracks.
Most tracks Megane is the fastest but i tested 10 gr4 cars at kyoto driving park ll and megane came last with Citroen first.
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It's a shame. I didn't want to try the megane, but I was always qualifying around 8th-10th, with a grid full of méganes in front of me. I could do nothing during the races. They ended up like 7 seconds ahead, whatever the circuit was. So I finally tried it. First Q lap, I was 2 ****ing seconds faster than my last time. Did get the pole, won the race. I won't use it anymore, and I hope PD will fix this soon, because I'm stucked at DR "D-C" for not using a mégane and it's starting to be boring.
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Didn't knew this about the megane after 1.06...since it is/was the car I've always used in Gr4 races.
Before that people (me included) complained about the lack of grip in FF cars under acceleration....now it's overpowered, but people shouldn't be all angry about FF cars.
Back in the days in rally, the class below WRC which were 4WD, on tarmac they were completely killed by FF cars in the F2 class, like Citroen XSara Kit Car, Megane Maxi and Peugeot 306 Maxi.
Before that people (me included) complained about the lack of grip in FF cars under acceleration....now it's overpowered, but people shouldn't be all angry about FF cars.
Back in the days in rally, the class below WRC which were 4WD, on tarmac they were completely killed by FF cars in the F2 class, like Citroen XSara Kit Car, Megane Maxi and Peugeot 306 Maxi.
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I came across this on facebook. 
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I've beaten Megane's and Scirocco's at Suzuka in the Vette... it's not easy as they are so much quicker on the straights, but if you get in front you can use superior cornering and exit speed to get enough of a gap to hold them off in to the next corner. You do need to defend the inside line - As long as they are on the outside it compromises their ability to get a good exit - never let them get on the inside of you or when they jump on the gas they understeer wide and push you off.
Key is getting a perfect exit from every corner and making zero mistakes.
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Yes but it's not that easy. If you watch a mégane replay, you can see they make mistakes and even though they will catch you on the straights. And you can handle that with one of them, defending the line and so, but when +half of the grid are méganes.. you're done. Sooner or later you will lose the position, and then it comes another mégane behind you. Just look at most of the dailies grids: the first 10 cars are méganes/siroccos (with some random balls-of-steel guy), the other 10 are random manufacturers or people that wants to drive the cars they love, as I do. But then you'll never promote to a higher DR.
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In the race I remember well (replay saved in my gallery for anyone who wants to watch it), I started 2nd on the grid and was one of only 2 or 3 non FWD cars in the race. I took the lead from the 1st placed Megane beginning of lap 2 and had 2 Scirocco's on me for the last few laps, but they were clean, and I held them off.
It's not easy, and they are pretty much impossible to pass in a RWD unless they make a mistake as you can't get close to them in the braking zones.
Good challenge though, and very rewarding when you win
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My GR4 at 'lagos was interesting last night. My car of choice has been the TT. Pound for pound it can't match megane. But all is not lost. 1:39 last minute qualifying only got me avg 16 -17 on grids of 20 with at least 15 meganes in all races. I found that all I needed to do was hang on to the tail of one of those suckers , without trying to over take unless they made a gross mistake. If they screwed up big and I slid by I just needed to grab the tail of the next guy and get a gap going, if I got caught out alone and he caught up I would let him by without a fight and grab his tail eventually catching up to the next guys. If he made a simple mistake that wasn't worth the effort I would just stay tucked in behind. I can't win a dog fight and it would just slow us both down. Race after race I was able to secure top 10 finish. The strategy just depended on me being perfect and everyone else not so much. The thing about the bandwagoners is that they overdrive the car because they expect to win or be competitive, or feel pressured to do so. Often they still don't have the ability to hang with the front half of the field so the mistakes come, having that pesky non magane in the mirror surely rattles as well.
This exercise gave a bump in DR and provided a nice little challenge without being forced to lemmings status. Meganes are the new boss battle. Feels good when you beat them, albeit not winning.
This exercise gave a bump in DR and provided a nice little challenge without being forced to lemmings status. Meganes are the new boss battle. Feels good when you beat them, albeit not winning.
In my Gr4 race at Interlagos yesterday a Viper managed to qualify 2nd. I said "wow I'll be seeing that guy get crushed in the first corner by the 6 meganes around him when I check the replay." Turns out thats exactly what happened and after the last hairpin on the 2nd lap he got pitted by a GTR and they both spun. Never saw him again.
I just drive the NSX, dont care about winning and losing. I just sit back and enjoy the other try hards crashing into each other while I try to stay out of harms way.
I just drive the NSX, dont care about winning and losing. I just sit back and enjoy the other try hards crashing into each other while I try to stay out of harms way.
