MH370: Malaysian Airlines Flight to Beijing carrying 239 people is lost over sea.

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photonrider
Let's be clear that it wasn't Jordan saying it; he just bought the piece of the puzzle to the table. 👍

The engine data transmission piece of the puzzle hasn't been thrown away. Just used judiciously for all concerned (including Wall Street.)
In addition it is now known that MAS did not purchase the other data transmission packages that were available for this plane, just the RR package.
If they had purchased the additional packages (which they apparently didn't, to keep the cost down, and because they were confident enough in the huge redundancies, active or otherwise, built into the 777) the jet would have been talking a lot more to the Ground.
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Let's be clear as well or at least let me by saying that using a general informal way of speaking was in no way me saying that he came up with it on his own. It's obvious he didn't when he provides a link, and if did feel that I was blaming him in anyway he would have said so. You took my post out of context in that regard and feeling the need to say so was actually unneeded. Also there was enough telemetry as is and them denying it like everything else (the is them Malaysian gov't so you don't think I mean this forum or something), is what make it far more weird.
Crash
It actually kind of makes sense...

Here's another plausible scenario, this one doesn't have any nefarious intentions.

Plane is on autopilot. Something caused the plane to rapidly decompress, quick enough so that everyone on board loses consciousness almost immediately but not enough to be from catastrophic structural failure. Pilots can't get masks on quick enough. However, plane can still fly, and plane is still on autopilot, so the plane keeps flying and flying until it runs out of fuel, and without fuel, and with no conscious flight crew to glide it down, the plane falls out of the sky into the middle of the ocean, undetected.

With this, there are still certain pieces of the puzzle that don't fit, and I obviously don't know if that is what happened (and I'm not sure if we will even truly ever know), but that to me seems at least plausible.

AT's theory of pilot suicide or rouge agents onboard taking control of the aircraft seems plausible as well.

I have a feeling that governments aren't sharing with each other and with the public all that they know, and that they are looking at the wrong places...
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What I'm saying is yes it does make sense in the engineering aspect, what does make sense is how this is being handled then translated back to the world. It's almost as if Malaysia would like us to believe some rift opened up or aliens took them, at this point.

Also as for the plane flying onward for that long, I'd have to as which way it went first. However, for the sake speculation let's say it went West as I think and many others based on info given and it being the only bit that Malaysia hasn't fully denied. It would have gone over India at the most which should have picked them up on radar and perhaps tried to make contact, at the least a few of the closer Asian nations to Malaysia should have picked it up as well
 
The only way it could have escaped without notice is through a cordon sanitaire provided by a superpower.
 
Crash
Looks like I found and read the wrong AD.
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Nah, I linked the wrong one in the first place based on what I thought was the date of release, turns out it was in the 2014 stack, not 2013 :)

There's one critical problem that might stop the autopilot scenario being possible; that's a computed function which requires power. If the aircraft wasn't transmitting then it had no power and therefore no autopilot.

That all depends on if it was transmitting... which is proving to be tough to establish.
 
ABC World News is reporting the communications systems shut down at differing times. The data recording system went off at 1:07 am, and the transponder at 1:21 am. This is someone pulling circuit breakers, and not a catastrophic accident, they suggest.

It could be anywhere from the Himalayas to Australia, from North Korea to Diego Garcia.
 
Dotini
ABC World News is reporting the communications systems shut down at differing times. The data recording system went off at 1:07 am, and the transponder at 1:21 am. This is someone pulling circuit breakers, and not a catastrophic accident, they suggest.

It could be anywhere from the Himalayas to Australia, from North Korea to Diego Garcia.
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This gets freakier and freakier the whole time.
 
Dotini
It could be anywhere from the Himalayas to Australia
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If it was near australia, it would have been found.

Our ATC may not be the best but it would not contradict itself like malaysian ATC is doing
 
Dotini
ABC World News is reporting the communications systems shut down at differing times. The data recording system went off at 1:07 am, and the transponder at 1:21 am. This is someone pulling circuit breakers, and not a catastrophic accident, they suggest.

It could be anywhere from the Himalayas to Australia, from North Korea to Diego Garcia.
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Or a fire slowly creeping through the wires. If someone was pulling the circuit breakers out, why would they wait 14 minutes to do so?

All this speculation is making it sillier by the minute.
 
Dennisch
Or a fire slowly creeping through the wires. If someone was pulling the circuit breakers out, why would they wait 14 minutes to do so?

All this speculation is making it sillier by the minute.
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How is it making it sillier, there is no evidence and thus the idea that an air accident is the only thing that should be looked at is far more silly of a venture than those that are not being so myopic.
 
Dotini
ABC World News is reporting the communications systems shut down at differing times. The data recording system went off at 1:07 am, and the transponder at 1:21 am. This is someone pulling circuit breakers, and not a catastrophic accident, they suggest.
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I saw that, it's a bit misleading I think as the data transmissions are every 15 or 30 minutes, and are about 0.5s long, doesn't mean they stopped at the same time, just that their last broadcast was then.

Anyway I've figured it out, the plane is intact and I think I know where.

It's in Iran, and here's how it was done.

They flew it to a minor airport with the help of ATC, landed, refuelled, and flew on to Iran over northern Pakistan. Very easy indeed, if you do one simple thing. Well, two. Or three, actually.

File a fake flight plan that never takes off or lands. Assume the identity of the fake flight plan as you cross the handover. ATC will see your plot leave, new ATC will see your plot arrive. You don't exist either side of that, and if someone checks then you filed anyway. They won't check.

You don't even have to declare yourself as a 777 if you do the route right.

You DO need a systems engineer who knows the plane, but that's not so difficult to get hold of now. Especially when you promise them all the money in the world and then shoot them anyway.

@Dennisch ... we're theorising what fits the published facts. It's the facts making it weird, not us. If you want detailed and indepth analysis then read the thread in total, there's some proper engineering in there too ;)
 
Dennisch
Or a fire slowly creeping through the wires. If someone was pulling the circuit breakers out, why would they wait 14 minutes to do so?

All this speculation is making it sillier by the minute.
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Slow fire actually still is a possibility. But to ask "why" is to speculate about about motivations, which is always a tricky business.
 
Dotini
Slow fire actually still is a possibility. But to ask "why" is to speculate about about motivations, which is always a tricky business.
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Certainly is, and it's the only "linear" accidental event that could take out all the powered items along the length of the plane. Of course the plane would have failed by that point.

The only other accidental event is an explosion... which as I said before is spherical. Starting at the centre of the tube you need a BIG sphere to encompass the plane, and that's clearly a catastrophic destruction.
 
Dotini
ABC World News is reporting the communications systems shut down at differing times. The data recording system went off at 1:07 am, and the transponder at 1:21 am. This is someone pulling circuit breakers, and not a catastrophic accident, they suggest.

It could be anywhere from the Himalayas to Australia, from North Korea to Diego Garcia.
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If that is true, then this could be similar to Korean airlines flight YS-11 that was hijacked in 1969 where a North Korean Agent kidnapped 50 people and took them to North Korea.

TenEightyOne
I saw that, it's a bit misleading I think as the data transmissions are every 15 or 30 minutes, and are about 0.5s long, doesn't mean they stopped at the same time, just that their last broadcast was then.

Anyway I've figured it out, the plane is intact and I think I know where.

It's in Iran, and here's how it was done.

They flew it to a minor airport with the help of ATC, landed, refuelled, and flew on to Iran over northern Pakistan. Very easy indeed, if you do one simple thing. Well, two. Or three, actually.

File a fake flight plan that never takes off or lands. Assume the identity of the fake flight plan as you cross the handover. ATC will see your plot leave, new ATC will see your plot arrive. You don't exist either side of that, and if someone checks then you filed anyway. They won't check.

You don't even have to declare yourself as a 777 if you do the route right.

You DO need a systems engineer who knows the plane, but that's not so difficult to get hold of now. Especially when you promise them all the money in the world and then shoot them anyway.
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But why kidnap Chinese? China has been one of Iran's biggest supporters outside Russia, and even buys their oil, despite UN Security Council resolutions.
 
Sanji Himura
But why kidnap Chinese? China has been one of Iran's biggest supporters outside Russia, and even buys their oil, despite UN Security Council resolutions.
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They don't want the people (although the most valuable people on there are undoubtedly the american semiconductor guys), they want the plane.

911 can never be repeated in its original manner, the air force would shoot down an uncommunicative airliner if similar circumstances repeated themselves.

I hate to mention that day in a theory but being serious for a minute... if terrirusts can pull the transponder/flight plan/ID trick to get the plane out (please someone tell me that can't work!) they can pull it to get the plane IN to another location. Maybe it's inbound now?
 
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Maybe it is the Uyghur Moslem separatists, as already claimed. They might want to smash it into Beijing - if they could find the city in the smog.
 
TenEightyOne
I hate to mention that day in a theory but being serious for a minute... if terrirusts can pull the transponder/flight plan/ID trick to get the plane out (please someone tell me that can't work!) they can pull it to get the plane IN to another location. Maybe it's inbound now?
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Problem: The jet had 7 hours of fuel left when it vanished.
 
Sanji Himura
Problem: The jet had 7 hours of fuel left when it vanished.
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The plane can fly in and out of any field friendly to the plot to refuel and remove anything from the plane that was no longer required ( :( ). Remember that cargo jets land in all kinds of weird places, for all we know it became one.

Next problem... I want this to NOT be possible... ;)
 
Sanji Himura
Problem: The jet had 7 hours of fuel left when it vanished.
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The reason they've released maps of the 4-more-hour range circle is because the plane had four more hours of fuel from the point it disappeared. Like @Grayfox said, airliners typically only carry enough fuel to get to their destination, plus deal with contingencies, plus legal reserves. There are numerous "categories" of fuel which are carried onboard from gate to gate but it's basically enough to get to where they're going.
 
Mike Rotch
Chinese seismologists are now stating that they picked up seismic wave activity in a non-seismic area of the China Sea - theory being it could be a place hitting the ocean.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/artic...ng-flight-expand-indian-ocean-mh370-satellite
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The times don't make much sense 2:55 am and the tracker went off at 1:21 am or something close to it so the plane flew in virtually the same area for another hour and a half. It doesn't take that long to end up 72 miles further down the road at 550mph+ cruising speed. Nor does it answer the tracking over the Indian Ocean as well as the 5 hours of flight time after it fell off radar.
 
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LMSCorvetteGT2
So basically we were viewing an extended cut of lost...that's a bit sick on the Malaysian gov't part.
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waves of liquid ocean sea that appear to be caused by seismic activity below (body or surface waves of it).

You know Tsunamis? same deal, probably smaller in size and scope.
 
But the plane would hit the ocean, and most energy is dissipated by the time the seismic sensors pick it up.

A plane hitting the ocean is not as strong as a earthquake.

It's energy would be less than 1 on the richter scale
 
Yes, but maybe the sensors (designed to detect seismic activity) are refined enough to sense some little oddity that wasn't consistent with the "normal" ocean movements. In geek terms, a "disturbance in the Force".
 
Hun200kmh
Yes, but maybe the sensors (designed to detect seismic activity) are refined enough to sense some little oddity that wasn't consistent with the "normal" ocean movements. In geek terms, a "disturbance in the Force".
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According to wiki seismic events less than 2.0 have a frequency of several million per year.
The region is a very earthquake prone area, so no real way to say if it was natural or caused by the crash.

Now if the plane impacted land I can understand it being picked up.
 

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