MH370: Malaysian Airlines Flight to Beijing carrying 239 people is lost over sea.

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TenEightyOne
The news still don't seem to be making a lot of this angle, given their enjoyment of anything whizz-bang-poop-poop then this should be top-dollar-johnny right now.

So why aren't they? They've other become cynical about the misinformation (least likely scenario ever) or they're being told not to make big noise about it. That's my guess, just cos it keeps the theory going ;)
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Yeah the news organizations of the world are as bad as the gov'ts giving the reports to them, there is more both probably know but keeping the mystery alive for one sells, and the other...well not so sure why the Gov't would want to lie unless if the world knows something catastrophic is or will be happening.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Yeah the news organizations of the world are as bad as the gov'ts giving the reports to them, there is more both probably know but keeping the mystery alive for one sells, and the other...well not so sure why the Gov't would want to lie unless if the world knows something catastrophic is or will be happening.
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Just reading about the crew on Reuters.

You might remember that I'd said the first officer was making his second flight on the 777 according to reports at the time, after a simulator conversion from the 767 he'd completed his first flight and landing in the plane at Kuala Lumpur. It's possible (and entirely normal) that he might have flown the take-off out of KL before the plane vanished.

If I was an investigator I'd be interested in the fact that somebody had optionally moved to the type. Plenty of people do move to different aspects of their jobs for all kinds of reasons, making the move doesn't mean anything... but nonetheless its true that the FO had recently electively moved to the plane.

The FO is also Muslim, something that the press will no doubt make a lot of due to their normal assumptions. His religion is significant in that it seems safe to presume that people involved in this plot are likely to be Muslim given what we know about previous similar plots.

Still, you need to be hardcore raving crazy Muslim, and 99.99% of Muslims are, like anyone, normal people living pretty unremarkable lives.

Altogether though; it's not as easy to exclude the FO from potentially being involved as it seems to have been to exclude the 'dedicated plane nerd' pilot, at least from what I see in news. Which could be balls :D

It seems more certain now that the plane was flown out of the area and that it was flown out in an apparently legitimate manner. That's a win for GTP, I think.

Strangely it also leads to hope that the passengers actually may be alive somewhere. I can't imagine what their families are going through right now.
 
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TenEightyOne
Just reading about the crew on Reuters.

You might remember that I'd said the first officer was making his second flight on the 777 according to reports at the time, after a simulator conversion from the 767 he'd completed his first flight and landing in the plane at Kuala Lumpur. It's possible (and entirely normal) that he might have flown the take-off out of KL before the plane vanished.

If I was an investigator I'd be interested in the fact that somebody had optionally moved to the type. Plenty of people do move to different aspects of their jobs for all kinds of reasons, making the move doesn't mean anything... but nonetheless its true that the FO had recently electively moved to the plane.

The FO is also Muslim, something that the press will no doubt make a lot of due to their normal assumptions. His religion is significant in that it seems safe to presume that people involved in this plot are likely to be Muslim given what we know about previous similar plots.

Still, you need to be hardcore raving crazy Muslim, and 99.99% of Muslims are, like anyone, normal people living pretty unremarkable lives.

Altogether though; it's not as easy to exclude the FO from potentially being involved as it seems to have been to exclude the 'dedicated plane nerd' pilot, at least from what I see in news. Which could be balls :D

It seems more certain now that the plane was flown out of the area and that it was flown out in an apparently legitimate manner. That's a win for GTP, I think.

Strangely it also leads to hope that the passengers actually may be alive somewhere. I can't imagine what their families are going through right now.
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I can't nor wouldn't want to know either what they're going through. This is one of the most insane events I've seen and the sad and crazy part is we probably don't know the half of it yet.
 
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - A Malaysian government official says investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.

The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive."

The Boeing 777's communication with the ground was severed under one hour into a flight March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian officials have said radar data suggest it may have turned back and crossed back over the Malaysian peninsula westward, after setting out toward the Chinese capital.

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They're starting to admit it was hijacked..
 
Crazy...... On the bright side, I guess it's possible that passengers are unharmed. I didn't think that was possible before this news, so in a way, things are looking up...... at the moment.
 
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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) - A Malaysian government official says investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.

The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive."

The Boeing 777's communication with the ground was severed under one hour into a flight March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian officials have said radar data suggest it may have turned back and crossed back over the Malaysian peninsula westward, after setting out toward the Chinese capital.

Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.






They're starting to admit it was hijacked..
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Oh so now Malaysia actually is starting to wake from their stupor and believe the world exist? they "want to believe!"

GTP better get some monetary reward for beating them to it like 4 days ago.
 
a6m5
Crazy...... On the bright side, I guess it's possible that passengers are unharmed. I didn't think that was possible before this news, so in a way, things are looking up...... at the moment.
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To be completely honest, I'd rather the plane go down into the ocean killing the 220 innocent passengers than the plane crashing into *insert important building here* and killing thousands of innocent people. That's what's going to happen if someone doesn't find the plane...
Or even worse, the hijackers have a nuclear bomb ready to go.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Let's be clear as well or at least let me by saying that using a general informal way of speaking was in no way me saying that he came up with it on his own.
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Thank you for reclarifying that 👍 Being of somewhat literary bent, I took it as a statement of fact.

Jordan came up with that bit shortly after this post was made (one which outlined that it was more than possible that the plane was intact and had been flying for some time under conditions of foul-play) and only strengthened that reconstruction of what could have been happening. So the new information he bought in actually did make a lot of sense to anyone who had read that post.

photonrider
As a terrorist act, this incident would make no sense at all.

Terrorism is a politico-commercial bsusiness, heavily financed and globally advertised. If this was a terrorist act, and while giving the scope of the event the fact that it would have taken a huge amount of assets to engineer, even a small-time terrorist organisation that would have done this would also have had their gloating selfie videos plastered all over Youtube by now, demanding their piece of land and claiming how smart they were to pull off such a trick.

In other words - if it was a terrorist act, the fact that there has been no claim as yet could only mean future complications in the scenario that could involve everything fom psychological warfare to protecting their element of surprise for further, and then final, acts of the same sort.
To put together a scenario of terrorism behind this would mean more than a mess of spaghetti code.

As a mechanical failure of some sort that lead to a catastrophic fragmentation is more likely, but only if we eliminate some pieces of the puzzle.
And some telling 'coincidences' and matters of routine that didn't take place.

Factor in the inspection on the plane that was supposed to take place - in fact a concern about sudden depressurization. Did that take place; was the ship deemed air-worthy? Do we keep this piece or discard it?

Factor in the fireball that was seen in the sky. Likely location. But was it really only seen by one person in that whole area? And the report doesn't cover what the fireball really did. Still, this piece fits the catastrophic-event angle.

Factor in the debris. How far would it have drifted before and after it was captured on satellite? Are the calibrations correct? Is there a problem with the math? The pieces seem too big. What pieces off a 777 would be that big and also float?
This piece is already attached to the piece that says the Chinese may have doctored the shots to mask the technology behind the capture, but have some kind of clearer information that makes them confident enough to release the location. This is a piece that looks like it fits . . . and we are now in a position to check its reality.
If any of that debris is verified authentic - then this piece suddenly becomes the center of this whole puzzle - because then it is a piece that we know belongs to the puzzle.

But, factor in the transponder that was shut off - and at at what point in the flight: the border where they were to be handed off. This piece doesn't fit the catastrophic-event angle, but more one of foulplay. (Remember we have already ruled out terrorism.) Transponders don't shut themselves off. And Boeing is well-known for building the finest planes in the world. (The 777's disaster record, if you take out pilot error, is insignificant when you consider the amount of them in service by a great number of airlines who use it to shuttle millions of passengers a day; it's one of the safest planes in the world. We must keep in mind that this was an older plane, yet the back-up systems that Boeing builds into its planes are well-known and respected in the industry. These planes are safe as houses, when maintained. Maybe safer.) Therefore it is very unlikely that the back-up transponder also went down simultaneously. Looking at all the likely scenarios around this piece it seems more than likely it was shut down manually.

This wouldn't affect the plane's interior environment or anyone on the plane; the effect caused by shutting it down would be known only to the crew, and maybe not even the whole crew - that it rendered the plane stealthy to a point. At this point taking the plane lower than local radar would render it even more invisible (though quite loud and large to any shady local trawling the shallow depths there.) From this point anything can happen to the plane.

Because the plane's transponders were shut off at the hand-off, and there was a lull in the communication between transmissions, this time was taken to fly the jet somewhere else, before it was missed.
What happened after that?
Was it landed on the ocean and scuttled?
Or landed at a particular strip that was pre-made for such a conclusion, before the next step of the act?
All this supports foulplay of some sort.
What piece (or lack of pieces) is it that goes against the idea of disintegration after foulplay? Well . . . the lack of pieces of wreckage of course - which is why identifying that debris is key before we go on to find what caused the disintegration.

We can hazard on the MO of foulplay, or a hijacking, before a possible disintegration that took place, or, a secret and successful landing, but by whom on the plane?
And if it was foulplay of some sort (kidnapping, theft, revenge, or the act of a dysfuntional individual) then if the debris that has been spotted is not from the plane - is the jet still in one piece? (We like to believe that, because that would give a better chance of its occupants survival.)


Then again - the complete lack of communication from anybody on the plane during that time? Not one e-mail, text, shout-out in any electronic fashion from the plane? That's a missing piece.

And a puzzle piece that has the right shape but looks transparent, and so we must discard: - the spotting of a large plane similar in its basic physical signature on radar also in the vicinity west of the hand-off. Fits the puzzle but no picture to it.

At this point only the new debris find could paint us a better picture of what to expect as answers.
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We have had so many new pieces of the puzzle added now - whether actual pieces that belong to this picture, or pieces that are only things we would like to see. There is no real point theorising, though trying to reconstruct possiblities of what could have happened may be possible: for instance the fact that the plane had been intact and flown after the transponders were shut down. That was more than a possibility because of the various data that came in, and has turned out to be evidence that is taken as fact.

So now we have two bits of the puzzle on either side of Malaysia - on one side a fireball, a location of a possible dogfight, phantom debris, and an impact on the ocean floor that very well could be 650,000 lbs travelling at 500 MPH into 300 feet of water - a lot of kinetic energy. Which means there is a plane down in the South China Seas.

On the other side - a series of blips and transmissions that show the activity of a plane heading towards that proverbial jungle strip that was spoken about - Andamans, Cocos . . . a string of them in the area.

We await the news.
 
ildd
To be completely honest, I'd rather the plane go down into the ocean killing the 220 innocent passengers than the plane crashing into *insert important building here* and killing thousands of innocent people. That's what's going to happen if someone doesn't find the plane...
Or even worse, the hijackers have a nuclear bomb ready to go.
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In my own version of the theory (film rights, remember) the passengers are offloaded and dumped in a hangar somewhere. Hopefully alive.

You're going to make one journey with the plane, you'll fill it with fuel and strip the weight. ERs have a very good range when you don't have to follow the rules.

I read on Beeb that the ident system will be compulsory in European airspace in 2015, I hadn't realised it was so close. If you're going to carry out an attack of these type you need to do it in 2014, ASAP.
 
TenEightyOne
In my own version of the theory (film rights, remember) the passengers are offloaded and dumped in a hangar somewhere. Hopefully alive.
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This was the central piece of the puzzle - a piece always put aside: what do you do with a planeload of people. How did they disappear into thin air?
 
photonrider
This was the central piece of the puzzle - a piece always put aside: what do you do with a planeload of people. How did they disappear into thin air?
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The plane landed in plain sight* to refuel, almost certainly at a privately owned cargo hub, they're not uncommon across Asia as bulk air transport is big business.

Take it straight into a hangar, you can do what you like. Eventually it'll be discovered, but you won't be there. Maybe it'll explode mysteriously after you leave.

Take off, keep moving under different IDs, do a few switchbacks, you could quickly be anywhere.

*As far as electronic eyes are concerned, the first stop (where you strip the decals off the plane) needs to be made out of visual sight of anyone outside the plan, for fairly obvious reasons.
 
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@TenEightyOne - Quite possible since fifteen out of twenty people I spoke today didn't know a jet was lost. the other five were somewhat vague about it. I guess the world goes about its business sometimes . . . .

No doubt every aero-nut, at the very least, (let alone others directly connected) is tuned into this.
 
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Probably the one for 'inscrutable'.

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Edit: Chaos at the briefing about to take place. Seems like there is not going to be a question and answer, but just a general statement confirming a 'hijacking' but with the concept of 'hijacking' with a twist - maybe a language thing.

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What would be important is that they confirm the jet is still intact - that after the last ping, the saboteur managed to turn all transmissions off (how?) and either landed the plane - or whether after that last ping there was a plunge into the depths from the heights - which is going to leave the biggest question of all - why?

Further edit: Was reported just now that the PM of Malaysia is meeting with family members . . . so that doesn't sound good. No doubt the family members should be informed first - but then the statement is probably going to be more of an emotional nature than a technical one.
Again confirmation that no questions from the press would be entertained.
 
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Terrible press conference in general so far. Malaysia just can't handle such a large scale incident.

So weird to think an enormous plane and potentially 270 odd people could be parked somewhere completely unnoticed.
 
Statement was read - and I guess the exact words will be all over the 'net soon.

So what do we get out of this? That the whole bunch of stuff from China can be thrown out - fireballs, phantom debris, ocean impacts and all. South China Seas have been dumped.

Confirmation that the plane was changed from its flight path deliberately. Confirmation that it was in the Indian Ocean and may be flying along certain corridors (parameters given.)

And that was basically it. A 'sort-of' hijacking. And that they sort of know where it is. Or was. Or will be.

We might quite possibly be at square 2.
 
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photonrider
Probably the one for 'inscrutable'.

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I'm assuming your just joking, but it was obviously not from the crash and I posted up exactly why the seismic wave theory doesn't work. It's not inscrutable and I've had to have enough math and physics training in my degree fields to know and theorize a simple distance rate solution...
 
photonrider
What would be important is that they confirm the jet is still intact - that after the last ping, the saboteur managed to turn all transmissions off (how?) and either landed the plane - or whether after that last ping there was a plunge into the depths from the heights - which is going to leave the biggest question of all - why?
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In order to hijack the plane and turn off the transponders, the perpetrator(s) would need detailed knowledge of the aircraft - the kind of knowledge that is generally not available to the public. Investigators would know the minimum amount of knowledge needed to take control like this, which they could use to filter out potential suspects. Once they find the suspects, they can start looking at possible motives - and once they know motive, they can look at likely destinations. The plane would have to land somewhere friendly to the hijackers.

It is likely that MH370 was targeted for a reason. There are 152 Chinese passengers, which means that the hijackers may have been targeting China (which could explain why China has been putting pressure on Malaysia). The Malaysians have pointed to the Kazakhstan-Tajikistan border as a possible destination, which means the plane would have to fly over the extreme west of China, where there is plenty of anti-Chinese sentiment, and a lot of empty space to land a plane in.

The second possibility is that the plane was hijacked to target Malaysia. Possible culprits are harder to identify, but if it is a political statement, then it may have something to do with Malaysia's relationship with Myanmar. I do not know much about that, but I do know that Myanmar is unstable, and it is possible that parts of the Muslim population feel that Malaysia owes them support. But I am going out on a limb with that one.

The final possibility is that the plane was hijacked for some other purpose. Which is probably the scariest scenario, as it could be anywhere.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
...Radar stations weren't destroyed and how would you outfit a Boeing 777 with the housing payload to use such weapons? Especially with in the time span given...if you can answer that I'm sure plenty nation states would like to employ you especially the ones of the nefarious kind. Maybe the YAL-1 got you believing anything is possible in the Aerospace industry.
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You've completely missed the point. To make a aircraft invisible to radar doesn't mean you have to modify the plane, you can modify the radar instead; destroy it, jam it, or interrupt it.

We're already accepted that a large commercial airliner with passengers has disappeared without a trace. We've already discussed that it may have made a considerable change of course, and may have landed somewhere. We know there are a lot of 'interesting' parties in the area with a whole bunch of possible motives.
 
So, hang on, possibly a blonde moment but, isn't the idea of a hijack for it to be made known, show a message/demand something.

Why would it be kept secret?
 
ExigeEvan
You've completely missed the point. To make a aircraft invisible to radar doesn't mean you have to modify the plane, you can modify the radar instead; destroy it, jam it, or interrupt it.
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I got what you meant, the problem is rather than laugh and take it easy I took you for face value, and didn't laugh. I took it quite seriously and thus came to the conclusion of outfitting the plane as well as the other (which I don't recall typing up) that no radar instillation were destroyed in the making of the is hijacking. As far as we know, from that knowledge alone and what I've racked up much student load debt to learn the use of such a tool in both scenarios made no sense.

We're already accepted that a large commercial airliner with passengers has disappeared without a trace. We've already discussed that it may have made a considerable change of course, and may have landed somewhere. We know there are a lot of 'interesting' parties in the area with a whole bunch of possible motives.
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Yeah all true, but not sure what that has to do with your joke, other than you just having some fun for a moment like we all have, because this whole concept or more so unfolding is quite inane, yet some how real.

neljack
So, hang on, possibly a blonde moment but, isn't the idea of a hijack for it to be made known, show a message/demand something.

Why would it be kept secret?
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Who says it was kept secret other than gov'ts keeping it secret from the public eye which is quite easy to do if they go the drop on it much earlier than we think. Malaysia may have very well been that last to be informed that "hey, your plane has been hijacked". And either some of the Freescale workers or a pilot or both helped engineer this entire situation.

The only secret is what is being hidden from the public and slowly trickling out next.
 
MH370 confirmed to have flown for seven hours after all contact was lost. A satellite tracked it after it diverted from its flight path, but the Malaysians are not saying for how long it was following the plane.
 
While it leaves some hope of the plane landing and the passengers still being alive, it is extremely worrying that a large plane was able to escape Radar coverage and escape being spotted for 7 hours.

If whoever diverted the plane managed to disable communications, it isn't beyond reason that they have subsequently disabled the planes ability to send Data to satellites.
 

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