MH370: Malaysian Airlines Flight to Beijing carrying 239 people is lost over sea.

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I'd be amazed if this comes to anything. After having looked at some of those images from the tomnod website, there are 'objects' like that everywhere.

I find it a bit strange that there is such a big deal being made over these images, although I am assuming that there is some other sort of information associated with this discovery that is not being made public yet.
 
Norwegian auto carrier vessel have started search.
Höegh Autoliners confirmed to VG that their ship "St. Petersburg "has started search in that area where satellite imagery from Australian authorities are taken.

- There is ongoing contact with Australian authorities, says Olav Sollie, vice president of communications at Höegh Autoliners, VG.

There are no reports of findings yet.

http://direkte.vg.no/studio/flymysteriet-i-soeroest-asia
 
Blitz24
They say it's an image of a freighter and some dolphins. Well now we can find dolphins from space.
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I think they are saying that is all the search teams have seen today, not that this is what was in the images.
 
Jesus, I just stumbled across a FB Page called "Iluminati Exposed" (I know, I shoud have known better) and the amount of halfwits claiming that this is a stooge is astonishing. Seriously, it's full of whack jobs typing crap like "open your eyes, it's a cover story" and other stuff without actually backing up any claims :rolleyes:.

Sometimes, I think some people need a good kick up the arse :banghead:.
 
A couple of things have made me wonder if the average person does not do any research about this kind of thing:

I'm simply amazed that folks think the oceans are anything but vast.
I'm amazed people think you can have an average cell-phone conversation in a flying aircraft.
I'm surprised that folks think you can visibly patrol every square mile - out of hundreds of thousands - with simplicity.

On the other hand, I think some people think you could land a 777 on some remote grassy airstrip, designed for single-prop plane. That's more about not understanding how large this aircraft is, yet a speck (a moving one at that) in compared to the size of the Earth.

It doesn't look good at this point, sadly. I get the idea they were tending to the emergencies on board, or couldn't due to hypoxia. Someone would have probably seen or announced something landing, if they're all safe.
 
Here are the images that the Poseidon found on radar bout 10 hours ago. Could be anything.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-...ble-debris-from-mh370-in-indian-ocean/5334314
 
This item is close to shipping lanes no? May be a container that has fallen off of a ship. Would something that large from the structure of the plane float?
 
JMR450
This item is close to shipping lanes no?
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I think the debris location is somewhat south of the normal shipping lanes.

JMR450
Maybe a container that has fallen off of a ship.
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Maybe its the shipping container that Robert Redford collided with in the movie "All is Lost"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Is_Lost

I think is was a 40-foot container, and it was in the Indian Ocean!:eek::D

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GTsail
 
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JMR450
This item is close to shipping lanes no? May be a container that has fallen off of a ship. Would something that large from the structure of the plane float?
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A 40ft ISO container can float, but 40ft does not equal 24 metres.
 
I was thinking that the larger shape could be a whale, so currently two of us agree on something which is a first in the history of the whole search :)
 
Godzilla? Aliens? An angel?

In all seriousness, they seem to be grasping at straws by now. Unless they have submarines sweep the entire Indian Ocean looking for it in the next fortnight, the chances of them ever finding it seem slim.
 
I'd be more inclined to believe this plane is sitting somewhere on the ground, covered up and disguised than it is in pieces in the ocean.

Although, either scenario is terrible.
 
GTPorsche
I'd be more inclined to believe this plane is sitting somewhere on the ground, covered up and disguised than it is in pieces in the ocean.
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I hope the first is true for the sake of the passengers, unfortunately I believe that the second is much more likely to be correct.

The BBC have just described the search area as "in one of the most remote corners of the globe". To distract from this apalling geometry-fart they rush on to explain how big a container is, and that it's smaller than 24 metres. They're clearly drawing their own conclusions from this :D
 
TenEightyOne
I hope the first is true for the sake of the passengers, unfortunately I believe that the second is much more likely to be correct.

The BBC have just described the search area as "in one of the most remote corners of the globe". To distract from this apalling geometry-fart they rush on to explain how big a container is, and that it's smaller than 24 metres. They're clearly drawing their own conclusions from this :D
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Ignoring the use of the term corner, they are pretty correct. There are very few places that are over 2000km from land. The Pacific Ocean is much larger, but dotted with islands.
 
Barra333
Ignoring the use of the term corner, they are pretty correct. There are very few places that are over 2000km from land. The Pacific Ocean is much larger, but dotted with islands.
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I understand that, one simply expects more thought from Aunty :D

First plane has now returned without finding anything, according to Reuters.
 
prisonermonkeys
Except that salt water would corrode the decals pretty quickly.
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MAS does cut costs, like almost every airline is forced to nowadays, but I'm sure they can afford better than Toronto billboards (which brave anything from minus forty to plus forty yet continue to scream their captions brightly for months.) Those 'decals' may actually last a few weeks.

disinfected
This area has to be one of the most obscure parts of the globe. That is really far away from anything.
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And is also the garbage dump of that part of the ocean because it is a gyre:

http://education.nationalgeographic.com/education/encyclopedia/ocean-gyre/?ar_a=1

There is a lot of garbage in there, most of it really small bits and pieces, yet there is also the occasional large piece (such as an eighty-foot container that may have fallen off a ship.) This makes the surface searching even more difficult.

The thorough underwater searching will be done only after they have found a confirmed piece from the plane or heard a squawk from the box. At that point they will probably use AUVs (like the Remus 6000 https://www.whoi.edu/osl/remus-6000 ) to scan the ocean bed ('mowing the lawn') in a grid pattern that will enable them to cover as much as 50,000 sq feet a day.

How can they capture the beep from the box? By utilising every available Orion P-3 they have immediately. Time is running out. Those Flight Recorders will stop pinging soon. It is only by scouring that patch of sea with all the P-3s they can mobilise (and Japan, India and Brazil also have these planes) that they have a better chance of capturing that signal.

It remains a fact, though, that not a single ELT was activated - a sign that the plane never hit water. Or for that matter even underwent sudden decelaration. Both those events would have set off the beacons and transmitted signals easily captured by the satellites listening for them. So the plane should be intact (if this information is correct.) So is the plane still intact?

Let's address landing it. All you need is 6000 feet of runway. There's plenty of strips like that dotted all over the Indian Ocean, some on islands that are almost deserted, formally airbases during WW2. Landing a triple-seven would still have got some attention - we never heard of it.
Keep in mind, though, that many snippets of information that the media dug up were then shoved under the carpet - for instance the guy who saw a fireball was ignored, and the Thai fishermen who noticed a large plane that flew right over their heads, were not taken seriously even though they reported the matter to the police - the very evening that the plane disappeared.
But it isn't just a plane that needs to be landed.
Unless the passengers were thrown overboard (and history well documents that humans have evolved to be capable of the utmost cruelty to their own species) a plane-load of passengers have to be landed, too. The plane itself is no truck to be parked and forgotten - as much as 200 people may be needed to service that plane immediately if it needs to be kept in a serviceable state. It also has to be hidden - especially from satellite view. (Pretty hard that; I think they caught me smoking the other day and reported to my wife. :( )
Providing food, lodging, sanitation and warmth (let alone forced containment) for over 200 people, as I mentioned before, is a logistical nightmare - even for seasoned kidnappers. To do it for two weeks would be nothing short of difficult and untenable in any plan involving stealing a plane.
The percentages that the plane is still intact (at this point in time), landed, and people safe, drop much further than the percentages of plane in pieces, in the ocean or on a mountainside, and no survivors.

I mentioned very early on in the discussion that this didn't seem like terrorism. Most terrorist acts have hallmarks of amateurism about them. There is nothing amateur about this disappearance. Only Nature could possibly have pulled off a trick that has outwitted the world's finest for two weeks.
I can only assume that terrorists all over the world are glued to the TV, internet, and all other sources of communication to find out how this was done, and many of them are probably quite angry that they couldn't take credit for this - even fraudulently.
To call this a terrorist act would be to back a percentage that is extremely low, and we have to ignore a large amount of evidence that points in other directions and with greater percentage of being possible.

While the possibility of barratry exists, it doesn't follow the regular scenario - even though it does seem funny that a senior captain would bid on such a flight, and that he had a flight sim at home.

This then leaves a zombie scenario - one in which everybody 'goes to sleep' and then the plane flies on till the Auto pilot just calls it quits.

The percentages keep shifting - because the evidence keeps shifting.

One fact that stands out - and is so glaring it blinds us - is the fact that over a thousand individuals who are alive and in our presence right now are ignored - probably in the depths of despair, most of them losing an only child, or irreplaceable beloved.
The friends and relatives of these missing passengers and crew must be looked after immediately. There are many lives going to be lost from this section of people due to stress, illness, suicide, financial despair, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..........
Maybe more than was possibly lost already on MH370.
 
photonrider
The thorough underwater searching will be done only after they have found a confirmed piece from the plane or heard a squawk from the box. At that point they will probably use AUVs (like the Remus 6000 https://www.whoi.edu/osl/remus-6000 ) to scan the ocean bed ('mowing the lawn') in a grid pattern that will enable them to cover as much as 50,000 sq feet a day.

How can they capture the beep from the box? By utilising every available Orion P-3 they have immediately. Time is running out. Those Flight Recorders will stop pinging soon. It is only by scouring that patch of sea with all the P-3s they can mobilise (and Japan, India and Brazil also have these planes) that they have a better chance of capturing that signal.
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I'm not sure why they're not using anti-sub aircraft and running a refuelling plan, I know Australia is a bit strapped right now but even so.

photonrider
It remains a fact, though, that not a single ELT was activated - a sign that the plane never hit water. Or for that matter even underwent sudden decelaration. Both those events would have set off the beacons and transmitted signals easily captured by the satellites listening for them. So the plane should be intact (if this information is correct.) So is the plane still intact?
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It's possibly a sign, but remember that in "normal" emergency conditions only about 4 out of 5 ELTs activate. We also don't know if the plane had already been damaged by another incident that possibly rendered the ELT inoperable. You also need to remember that the ELT should be trying to broadcast its last known position, the AF ELT was doing this but was in a very deep ravine giving a tiny window of visibility to satellites/planes.

photonrider
Let's address landing it. All you need is 6000 feet of runway. There's plenty of strips like that dotted all over the Indian Ocean, some on islands that are almost deserted, formally airbases during WW2. Landing a triple-seven would still have got some attention - we never heard of it.
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Self defeating theory... they landed it somewhere deserted yet we never heard of it :D

photonrider
Providing food, lodging, sanitation and warmth (let alone forced containment) for over 200 people, as I mentioned before, is a logistical nightmare - even for seasoned kidnappers. To do it for two weeks would be nothing short of difficult and untenable in any plan involving stealing a plane.
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True, unfortunately. That's about 200,000 kcal a day that you need to provide, just for subsistence.

photonrider
I mentioned very early on in the discussion that this didn't seem like terrorism. Most terrorist acts have hallmarks of amateurism about them. There is nothing amateur about this disappearance. Only Nature could possibly have pulled off a trick that has outwitted the world's finest for two weeks.
I can only assume that terrorists all over the world are glued to the TV, internet, and all other sources of communication to find out how this was done, and many of them are probably quite angry that they couldn't take credit for this - even fraudulently.
To call this a terrorist act would be to back a percentage that is extremely low, and we have to ignore a large amount of evidence that points in other directions and with greater percentage of being possible.
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Well, arguably the ones that aren't "most" are very well-planned. This may well have been and it the moment it's equally likely that, if planned, it was or wasn't well-planned.

I still agree that as time goes in it seems less and less likely that an external act of terror is responsible, no claims of responsibility have been made.

photonrider
One fact that stands out - and is so glaring it blinds us - is the fact that over a thousand individuals who are alive and in our presence right now are ignored - probably in the depths of despair, most of them losing an only child, or irreplaceable beloved.
The friends and relatives of these missing passengers and crew must be looked after immediately. There are many lives going to be lost from this section of people due to stress, illness, suicide, financial despair, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..........
Maybe more than was possibly lost already on MH370.
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I'm not sure I agree that they're being ignored, it seems that every comfort is being extended to them in terms of food, travel and accomadation. Of course they want news - they want it more than anybody - but MA just aren't in position to give anyone that. Apart from the unfortunate incident with the screaming-fainting-woman the families are getting a lot of positive airtime, fortunately much more than the "experts" who are being trotted out on some stations :D
 
photonrider
There is a lot of garbage in there, most of it really small bits and pieces, yet there is also the occasional large piece (such as an eighty-foot container that may have fallen off a ship.) This makes the surface searching even more difficult.
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While I'm sure some have been fabricated, an 80ft container is by no means standard or a common size. I'd be incredibly surprised if that is what it was as it probably contained something very valuable when it was lost.
 
ExigeEvan
While I'm sure some have been fabricated, an 80ft container is by no means standard or a common size. I'd be incredibly surprised if that is what it was as it probably contained something very valuable when it was lost.
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I remember a 75-foot FRP stack being lost from the deck of ship, that was a few years ago... maybe we're about to see it again :D
 
photonrider
One fact that stands out - and is so glaring it blinds us - is the fact that over a thousand individuals who are alive and in our presence right now are ignored - probably in the depths of despair, most of them losing an only child, or irreplaceable beloved.
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Why do you say they're being ignored? I've seen nothing to indicate that, quite the opposite in fact.
photonrider
The friends and relatives of these missing passengers and crew must be looked after immediately. There are many lives going to be lost from this section of people due to stress, illness, suicide, financial despair, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..........
Maybe more than was possibly lost already on MH370.
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Here I'm afraid I have to strongly disagree. I don't see a wave of suicides coming from this, which you seem to be forecasting.

People will react to this as they always do when things like this happen. They grieve, then they get on with their lives. I've lost loved ones, and it's likely you have too. You (generic "you") don't forget, but you carry on.

One thing that does surprise me about this whole thing is that no terrorist group has claimed responsibility, even if they had nothing whatsoever to do with it. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened.
 
BobK
One thing that does surprise me about this whole thing is that no terrorist group has claimed responsibility, even if they had nothing whatsoever to do with it. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened.
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The Chinese Martyrs Brigade, a Uyghur separatist movement, claimed responsibility right after the act.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...-is-lost-over-sea.304740/page-14#post-9452789

http://nypost.com/2014/03/10/chinese-group-claims-plane-disappearance-amid-parallels-to-lockerbie/

This claim was heavily pooh-poohed by the media.
 

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