MH370: Malaysian Airlines Flight to Beijing carrying 239 people is lost over sea.

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And then for giggles planted a flaperon in the ocean to reopen the case when the search for it was colder than a dog's nose in winter?

Mmmm yup.
 
I'm expecting them to eventually find more bits of the plane, and maybe the crash site.

I do however like a good conspiracy though.
 
Mike Rotch
And then for giggles planted a flaperon in the ocean to reopen the case when the search for it was colder than a dog's nose in winter?
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No, they subjected the flaperon to the same localised conditions that would have been subject to had it actually been in the ocean - salt content, water temperature, sunlight, the presence of plankton and algae, and those are just the ones that I can think of right now - before covertly dumping it on the other side of the world without being noticed.
 
Famine
the possibility that something else may have happened is not only ignored completely but actually shouted down...
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I wouldn't say ignored completely - even the BBC have a webpage about the various conspiracy theories and more outlandish possible explanations for what happened to MH370.... but that's the trouble with conspiracy theories - in the absence of evidence, all must be considered with a healthy dose of skepticism. The possibility that the pilot (a highly experienced one with detailed knowledge of the route) had an axe to grind and knew how to make life difficult for investigators remains the most straightforward explanation - but that doesn't mean that the other possibilities can or ought to be discounted at this stage.

As for the 'Freescale' scenario, I reckon that is highly improbable. In a country where people can literally be swallowed by holes in the pavement or by shoddily constructed escalators, there must be an almost infinite number of possible ways to abduct a small number of people in a way that would probably not even make the national news in China, let alone be the subject of international intrigue. Perhaps they could have arranged an Indiana Jones-style set-up where the targets were invited to a conference and given special passes to a VIP area, only to discover that it was a Chinese government van en route to a hi-tech labour camp?

Incidentally, if I start posting in broken English in the next few days, please send out a search party.
 
I do think that taking down a plane is much less conspicuous than a plane successfully landing and 20+ some occupants dissapearing before exiting the building.
 
Less conspicuous, maybe, but far more complex.

And also contradictory - the Chinese security agencies are well-versed in what they do, but it's apparently easier for them to hijack a pland over international waters and lay a false trail than it is for them to discreetly abduct a small handful of people on their own soil and in an environment that they have full control over.
 
prisonermonkeys
And also contradictory - the Chinese security agencies are well-versed in what they do, but it's apparently easier for them to hijack a pland over international waters and lay a false trail than it is for them to discreetly abduct a small handful of people on their own soil and in an environment that they have full control over.
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Yes, but any Av-geek on that flight or surrounding flights looking up flightaware and seeing the status of: at the gate, who is waiting outside to pick someone up is gonna have some serious questioning. How could he/she dissappear in the span of being confirmed on the plane, to missing in the terminal?

I don't know who controls CCTV over their in the terminals, but seeing how hacking lately has been related to them, I imagine that they can get their hands on it. Only for the group administering it has questions for themselves.

Taking a plane down with no cockpit communications seems in itself, a much easier plan not to go wrong if well practiced.
 
Swagger897
Yes, but any Av-geek on that flight or surrounding flights looking up flightaware and seeing the status of: at the gate, who is waiting outside to pick someone up is gonna have some serious questioning. How could he/she dissappear in the span of being confirmed on the plane, to missing in the terminal?
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It wouldn't be hard to reroute flights to domestic hubs on the pretense of a tip relating to an imminent terrorist attack or a wanted criminal on-board. Plant a few of your own people on the flight with a cover identity, escort them and the intended targets away when you separate everyone on the flight, then allow it to go on to Beijing and no-one is the wiser because the cover identities are branded "terrorists". The Chinese government controls just about all of the media, so they can tell any story they want.
 
prisonermonkeys
on the pretense of a tip relating to an imminent terrorist attack or a wanted criminal on-board.
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I haven't heard of such but I'm sure if Malaysia did find that out it would be much too late. The possibility of this is nearly the same as saying it's hiding in the outback somewhere by a whole lot of rebels.
 
Problems to puzzle over:

The identification plate with the serial number is missing.
Barnacles cover the entire surface, indicating the part was neither floating nor on the bottom, but suspended in water.

http://gizmodo.com/the-case-of-the-mh370-wing-segment-keeps-getting-weirde-1727429146


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/strange-saga-of-the-mh370-plane-part.html?wpsrc=nymag
And that was not the only problem. According to the New York Times, Boeing and the National Transportation Safety Board found that the object did not match Malaysia Airlines’ maintenance records.
 
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Dotini
Problems to puzzle over:

The identification plate with the serial number is missing.
Barnacles cover the entire surface, indicating the part was neither floating nor on the bottom, but suspended in water.

http://gizmodo.com/the-case-of-the-mh370-wing-segment-keeps-getting-weirde-1727429146


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/strange-saga-of-the-mh370-plane-part.html?wpsrc=nymag
And that was not the only problem. According to the New York Times, Boeing and the National Transportation Safety Board found that the object did not match Malaysia Airlines’ maintenance records.
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So it turns out the part isn't from the Malaysian flight, that's the mystery over, no? If it doesn't have the ID sticker and there's no torsional damage to suggest why then I'd suggest it was deliberately removed from a scrapped part. A number of 777s have now been scrapped in all parts of the world. Their flaperons are identical across 200, 300 and F versions.

Maintenance records nowadays are very exact (as the link notes), if work was visibly undertaken on the part that materially differs from that recorded to the missing plane's flaperon in MA's records then the discovered part isn't from the plane.

There's only a mystery if one insists on believing that the part is from the plane despite all the evidence apparently saying otherwise.

Shame on the New York Times for not actually knowing where Kuala Lumpar was, that's just shoddy :D
 
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prisonermonkeys
Less conspicuous, maybe, but far more complex.

And also contradictory - the Chinese security agencies are well-versed in what they do, but it's apparently easier for them to hijack a pland over international waters and lay a false trail than it is for them to discreetly abduct a small handful of people on their own soil and in an environment that they have full control over.
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"A number of American citizens were apparently killed yesterday when their tour bus fell off a cliff on a remote mountain pass in China. The bus caught fire after the crash, and authorities are having a hard time identifying the bodies. Witnesses claim the driver was weaving erratically while negotiating the steep downhill trail, and..."
 
???

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...70-wreckage-find-in-philippines-transport-min

http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/philippines-cops-baffled-over-claims-mh370-wreckage

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RCKakashi14
I also find it hard to believe. They have to take the remains (if possible) for DNA testing...


Debris are everywhere. What happened to those in Reunion islands?
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What was found was the flaperon. No actual bodies were discovered at Reunion Island.

If this is the actual fuselage, it could be entirely possible that the flaperon simply broke off (as unlikely as that could be) causing the crash.
 
Sanji Himura
What was found was the flaperon. No actual bodies were discovered at Reunion Island.

If this is the actual fuselage, it could be entirely possible that the flaperon simply broke off (as unlikely as that could be) causing the crash.
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I highly, highly, doubt that would be the cause. A missing control surface doesn't compromise the entire lift of the aircraft.

If the flaperon went, so did the entire engine,
 
20832
Yeah, but a plane can fly with a single engine as well?
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It absolutely can, assuming that the wing was not completely trashed as well. If all flight surfaces are more or less OK, a twin engine jet should have no problem holding altitude on one engine.
 
Barra333
It absolutely can, assuming that the wing was not completely trashed as well. If all flight surfaces are more or less OK, a twin engine jet should have no problem holding altitude on one engine.
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ETOPS requires that it must, and this 777 was ETOPS rated.

Swagger897
If the flaperon went, so did the entire engine,
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Probably, but not definitely. Still, any plane that's losing a flaperon is in a world of trouble for some other reason...
 
Even if it still could fly with one engine, you run into other anomalies from a catastrophic failure as such. The fuel lines would be directly exposed to freezing temperatures that area was encountering, and above 18,000 feet the fuel pumps have to be on as the fuel temp begins to drop to freezing, if not already at freezing point. For this being such a short flight, the center tanks wouldn't be filled and only the wings....

Of course that's just one way it could go if there was a massive impact to the engine and nacelle, but I still doubt that is what happened.
 
Swagger897
Even if it still could fly with one engine, you run into other anomalies from a catastrophic failure as such. The fuel lines would be directly exposed to freezing temperatures that area was encountering, and above 18,000 feet the fuel pumps have to be on as the fuel temp begins to drop to freezing, if not already at freezing point. For this being such a short flight, the center tanks wouldn't be filled and only the wings....

Of course that's just one way it could go if there was a massive impact to the engine and nacelle, but I still doubt that is what happened.
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Fuel does not freeze at 0C, it starts to gum at -40F/C the only thing that will freeze and impede flow is the small amounts of water in the fuel, they will ice up and restrict the fuel lines.
 
Grayfox
Fuel does not freeze at 0C, it starts to gum at -40F/C the only thing that will freeze and impede flow is the small amounts of water in the fuel, they will ice up and restrict the fuel lines.
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I never said anything about it being at 32F or 0C...

In fact, I was referencing this:


Note he also references the fuel lines which gummed up. Old story, but I've known about that incident for quite a while now..
 

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