Middle-range gaming rig, bit more pricey than anticipated

[NissanSkylineN1]

I don't think anyone listened to my post. Maybe I should restate it:

+1
I'm sorry, I just had to:

Nick is actually someone who is practical and cares about every factor of building and purchasing parts. He was the only one who helped build my rig, which I love by the way, ThankYouNickGod, and then in the end when we discovered my h67 couldn't overclock (a sneaky move by Intel, really), people (I won't mention here) started ripping on us, like they were any help.

If you are ever tempted to lap your CPU do this instead: stand on polyester carpeting with your socks while you press your CPU onto the 3500 rpm spinning gray 60 grit wheel of a nice Black & Decker BT3500 bench grinder. Keep going until the static tingle in your fingers turns into sharp shocks and the IHS is ground down to where the actual circuitry is visible. Now your CPU will work perfectly. If you'll believe that, you'll also believe that Microsoft Bob was the best Operating System in history, Enron stock was a profitable investment, and Hancock was a great superhero movie.

Intel has been pulling out every engineering trick possible to get their CPU speeds up and if it was so simple that just yanking off a metal cover would do the trick, they would have resorted to that already. Besides, with CPU binning, there is a natural adjustment of speeds across a processor family so that the overall curve of slow to fast is relatively stable.

Seriously though, If you want to void your warranty, go ahead lap your CPU. I doubt it will make a major difference, and in fact, the room temperature would probably make a bigger difference than those microscopic holes in your CPU. And to tlowr4, this is the Computer's section of GTPlanet, welcome, where some people call each other idiots because their opinions are different.

Your opinion doesn't beat facts, sorry.





I feel REALLY sorry for you if you've been listening to him for advice. His basics might be fine, but I wouldn't pay him to build me a machine if he can't even get his ram to run at the correct speeds first try.

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Second of all Bergaruk, you don't even care about these forums. Why? Because on every single freaking thread, you've started an argument. Its about time someone told you to stop being so cocky. Also, is it HIS fault that his RAM doesn't work at the reccomended speeds? No. How about you take a look at the QVL list of his motherboard for once? Just because someone encounters a problem during something doesn't mean that the whole world ended. You did this to my build, Seismica's build, and now on Nick's build. May god help you defend yourself on your next build, because no one will EVER care about your build. And let me say this now. If you screw up on your build, I'll make sure people won't care, and all they'll do is bash you about the lack of YOUR computer knowledge, just like you've done to others. Sit down.

I can't believe some of you are actually suggesting lapping a CPU to even out/reduce core temperatures. You guys realise that thermal paste negates any small imperfections or airholes in CPU casing (Which there never is anyway these days).

Core temperatures are never going to be identical. See figure below for one of the main reasons, work it out, stop saying stupid things.

This. It really depends on the application running and how many cores its utilising. For once Casio, I agree with you, sir.

Regarding lapping your CPU, its not worth it. End of Discussion. Let's get back to Seismica's concerns, shall we?

 

[Casio]

This. It really depends on the application running and how many cores its utilising. For once Casio, I agree with you, sir.

I forgot to add. If you're going to copy things verbatim off a website then best put it in quotes, to at least try to make it look like you have real research knowledge, rather than now having fraudulent real knowledge.

If you are ever tempted to lap your CPU do this instead: stand on polyester carpeting with your socks while you press your CPU onto the 3500 rpm spinning gray 60 grit wheel of a nice Black & Decker BT3500 bench grinder. Keep going until the static tingle in your fingers turns into sharp shocks and the IHS is ground down to where the actual circuitry is visible. Now your CPU will work perfectly. If you'll believe that, you'll also believe that Microsoft Bob was the best Operating System in history, Enron stock was a profitable investment, and Hancock was a great superhero movie.

If you are ever tempted to lap your CPU do this instead: stand on polyester carpeting with your socks while you press your CPU onto the 3500 rpm spinning gray 60 grit wheel of a nice Black & Decker BT3500 bench grinder. Keep going until the static tingle in your fingers turns into sharp shocks and the IHS is ground down to where the actual circuitry is visible. Now your CPU will work perfectly. If you'll believe that, you'll also believe that Microsoft Bob was the best Operating System in history, Enron stock was a profitable investment, and Hancock was a great superhero movie.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Ok, that wasn't a fact though, its was an example.
EDIT: I quoted it. Happy now, officer?

Also, I'm pretty sure oxidization is a type of corrosion. So copper corrodes then.

 

[Casio]

Your point?

If you're going to copy things verbatim off a website then best put it in quotes, to at least try to make it look like you have real research knowledge, rather than now having fraudulent real knowledge.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

If you're going to copy things verbatim off a website then best put it in quotes, to at least try to make it look like you have real research knowledge, rather than now having fraudulent real knowledge.

Kinda got edit tree'd there. Hahaha.

 

[eSZee]

Wait, how did we get into IHS sanding/lapping?

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Terronium thought it was a good way to even out the core temperatures.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Terronium thought it was a good way to even out the core temperatures.

LOL. yes, we should get back on to Seismica's questions.

 

[bergauk]

Terronium thought it was a good way to even out the core temperatures.

I believe he said that if Seismica was TRULY concerned with the tempuratures, it was a path to consider.

 

[Terronium-12]

LOL. yes, we should get back on to Seismica's questions.

This coming from a person who was so obsessed with temperatures under load, 100% load at that, you actually thought something had gone awry; believe me when I tell you this: you're in no position to "LOL" at anyone. For any reason.

Now, on to Casio: when did lapping become even less of a priority amongst those looking to do it (I've seen plenty still doing it), and turned in to a practical waste of effort? I know waterblock and HS bases are machined far flatter than they were in, say, '07 but I'm still reading about people lapping i5's, i7's, and even i3's. Still, I've yet to make the jump to Sandy Bridge so I can't speak from any personal experience there; mine only extends from K8 to Kentsfield.

 

[nick09]

I've honestly have not found any tech articles with recent processors(sandy bridge or bulldozer) being lapped. The latest article I can find is from 2007(for a Core 2 Duo with an uneven surface) so I don't believe it's not a option to consider these days for some people.

I've looked at an i5-2500 and my bulldozer cpu. They were flat and both surfaces had a smooth texture.

 

[tlowr4]

A few of the Athlon 64 X2's I have bought have been as flat as anything. I bought a Sempron 1100+ the other day and the texture on the top was a little rough. When I install it, I'll apply a LITTLE TINY bit more thermal compound to get in the groves. That was my idea, anyway.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Why would I care so much about CPU temps? Because I care about my $220 CPU unlike you who would just go ahead and lap it. I CARE about my money. You can call me a cheapo, but the point is, I am cautious, which by the way, is a good thing. That's why I was being so cautious. I didn't notice how crappy new Intel heatsinks were compared to my old one on my Celeron. That one ran 58 degrees on a hot summer day under load. That's why I have the right to "LOL" at you. Should I repost those memes again?

 

[Dennisch]

Battle of the geeks. Now on GTP.

 

[bergauk]

Why would I care so much about CPU temps? Because I care about my $220 CPU unlike you who would just go ahead and lap it. That's why I was being so cautious. I didn't notice how crappy new Intel heatsinks were compared to my old one on my Celeron. That one ran 58 degrees on a hot summer day under load. That's why I have the right to "LOL" at you. Should I repost those memes again?

No? You should learn that 100% is really hard to get to with a newer chip unless you're running something MADE TO RUN at 100%

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

I do use programs that run my processor at 100%, mostly 3DS max for school, when I need to render. Also, since I produce, I need high quality audio files to export from my DAW. Rendering the audio tracks uses 100%. Sit down.

 

[bergauk]

And yet you still thought a tempurature that wasn't even close to the TJMax was going to kill your cpu.

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

I render large projects at 16X AA and at other high quality settings. If you remember, that temperature of 82 degrees was only for 10 minutes. Last time I rendered stuff at max setting, it took me about 20 minutes (it was a HUGE drawing.) I also tend to multitask, while rendering. And as I remembered, none of you helped to actually solve the problem which I actually found. Replace the thermal paste to a better one.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I believe he said that if Seismica was TRULY concerned with the temperatures, it was a path to consider.

Still, lapping is only really useful when you're reaching towards the limits of overclocking. I wouldn't consider it for a first build. Also lapping the heatsink first might be a better idea.

 

[bass264]

Battle of the geeks. Now on GTP.

I agree!

 

[Bigbazz]

Nice boys, just getting my disk sander out so I can overclock my CPU.

 

[bergauk]

Still, lapping is only really useful when you're reaching towards the limits of overclocking. I wouldn't consider it for a first build. Also lapping the heatsink first might be a better idea.

Read what you quoted again.

A path to consider. Not a truly serious thing to go do. It is only useful if you REALLY feel like evening out temps for overclocking and extreme performance.

If you post options, people will consider them. Why not give it the benefit of the doubt instead of just saying its stupid. It isn't. It's completely useful in the right case. While it may not be here, it could be useful for someone else.

 

[Terronium-12]

Still, lapping is only really useful when you're reaching towards the limits of overclocking. I wouldn't consider it for a first build. Also lapping the heatsink first might be a better idea.

I also recommended lapping the base.

Nice boys, just getting my disk sander out so I can overclock my CPU.

Might wanna get your glasses, too, because at no point in my OP concerning lapping did I ever mention overclocking.

Care to take another stab at it?

 

[Casio]

Evening out temperatures isn't the reason for lapping...That's actually what the heat spreader is for that you're sanding away. Lapping allows direct contact from the cooler to CPU copper, theoretically giving cooler core temperatures (Like CPU Cooler Heatsinks with direct copper, like this

).

However, you want the heat spreader to evenly distribute the heat across the CPU. Unless you're going for the World Overclocking record, lapping the CPU causes more headaches then it solves problems.

 

[Seismica]

I think if temperature difference in the CPU cores is considered normal, then I am ok. It all sounds very complicated (Something could go wrong, permenant damage could be caused) so I think i'll pass.

EDIT: Nice thermal paste application, Seismica. One of the neatest I've seen on an Intel CPU. AMD's systems can have the thermal paste right to the edges, and one video on YouTube did it the best that I've ever seen, but it's not that way on Intel (since the socket brace covers part of the heatspreader on the topside of the heatsink). Nice work. 👍

The Stock Intel Cooler came with thermal paste already applied, that spreads when you put in on the CPU, so the image showing the partially removed paste is not my doing. My application was much more messy, but that was mainly because the heatsink was a 🤬 to install and it wouldn't stay put whilst I was screwing it down. I think there was a way to screw the heatsink into the 'spider' which holds it in place, but I was not able to do it due to my sprained wrist. Either way, I followed an online guide on how to apply thermal paste to 1155 socket processors (I think it was a small line down the centre of the cpu, and then put the heatsink on, which will spread it naturally). It works fine and seems to be running at temperatures that are considered normal for this processor. I can always replace the paste if there are any problems in the future related to my CPU temps being too high, but i'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

On another note, I was considering sending my PSU back and replacing it with a different one; A 700w or perhaps 800w, for future graphics card update mainly as I know the 6850 isn't that great and will be outdated in a couple of years. As it was in the 'modular PSUs' section of the site, I think I should be able to send it back on that basis, as it is only semi-modular. In my setup it has no modular cables at all, which makes it a non-modular setup (Which I paid extra for in order to avoid). I would only need an extra modular cable if I decided to add another GPU in cf, but with this Mobo and this 620W PSU, I don't think that is possible, so the 'modular' part of the PSU is 100% useless. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[eSZee]

If this is your PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Image...compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply
then it looks modular to me. All modular means is that some of the cables can be detached from the body of the unit.

Yikes.
The link for your PSU does show modular connections.

 

[Terronium-12]

Yeah, but bulky sleeved wires are nasty especially when they're shorter than you'd expect.

From the looks of things only the PCI-E and EPS connectors are modular, everything else is hard-wired. Hm. You could definitely work around it if you tied up the unnecessary bits, and use the modular cables where applicable.

Dave, I think that's actually a newer (older?) release of it. And you've edited it out.

 

[Seismica]

If this is your PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Image...compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply
then it looks modular to me. All modular means is that some of the cables can be detached from the body of the unit.

Yikes.
The link for your PSU does show modular connections.

It does have modular connections. However, the way I understood it fully modular PSUs allow all cables to be detached. The one I have, the modular ports are useless as all of the cables required (and then some) are attached the the PSU. Because of this, cable management inside my case is slightly more difficult.

It may be worth giving them a ring, to see if I can send it back.

From the looks of things only the PCI-E and EPS connectors are modular, everything else is hard-wired. Hm. You could definitely work around it if you tied up the unnecessary bits, and use the modular cables where applicable.

That's the thing though, it didn't come with any modular cables, which means I would have to buy them.

I mean, it's fine the way it is. But for £20 more I would have got an 800W modular that comes with cables included. It gives me more freedom with upgrades and allows me to help airflow in my case by keeping the wires tidy. It's probably the only regret in my build, not getting a better PSU. But my friend pointed out sites sometimes have a 30-day return/exchange policy, but I can't find information on this at Scan.

 

[Terronium-12]

Well, it not coming with any is a different story.

That's assuming it wasn't supposed to come with the modular cables. Which would make even less sense.

 

[Seismica]

Well, it not coming with any is a different story.

That's assuming it wasn't supposed to come with the modular cables. Which would make even less sense.

Correct, it wasn't supposed to come with modular cables. Or a power cable for that matter. The only problem is, this information was hidden in the product description somewhere, it wasn't made clear, but they fulfilled their legal requirement as it was stated. Inexperience/lack of knowledge on my part led to this problem (Simply looking at one of the pictures would have told me what I needed to know) but I may still be able to get a return.