Mitsubishi Not Dead Yet: Nissan Takes Control

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- Put the Lancer out of its misery
- Tweak the Mirage's handling for markets like the US and Europe
- Sell the Outlander PHEV in the States dot-dot-dot PROFIT
I'm not sure the first one can be done without torpedoing any chance of the third one. The Lancer sells badly for sure, but it still makes up something like a fourth of Mitsubishi's US sales, and Mitsubishi is likely already on the precipice of outright dealer revolt.
 
I'm not sure the first one can be done without torpedoing any chance of the third one. The Lancer sells badly for sure, but it still makes up something like a fourth of Mitsubishi's US sales, and Mitsubishi is likely already on the precipice of outright dealer revolt.
I did consider adding "and develop a suitable replacement" for it, but I was thinking shorter-term really and there doesn't seem to be an adequate Lancer replacement on the horizon. And even if there was, I'm not sure it'd really be any good.

The trouble with the Lancer is that it's been a long time since it's been even vaguely competitive. Mitsubishi's presence in the UK is just about as invisible as it is in the States, and here the Lancer (Evo aside) has never been seen as anything more than a side show in an ultra-competitive C-D segment market. There was never much point buying an unfashionable budget saloon when for a similar price you could get one of a dozen European C-segment hatchbacks and at least have a dealership nearby. As such I think sales were pretty much reserved for long-time customers, usually elderly, who'd probably owned Mitsubishis since a chance purchase in the 1980s and never saw any reason to change.

Maybe they should platform-share with someone. I'm not sure who, and beyond brief flurries with Daimler and Volvo I'm not sure if they have any current partnerships, but even if they half-assed a compact sedan with someone it'd probably end up being more competitive than the Lancer, simply by virtue of it being newer.

My thinking though was that a new Outlander Sport could effectively replace the Lancer entirely. A bit like Nissan replaced the Almera and Primera in Europe with the Qashqai and suddenly sold more cars than it ever had in all its years in the market.
A Juke competitor based on the Mirage chassis could definitely be something. The basic lightweight, ultra-stiff unibody would lend itself well to modification for crossover use, and, considering the Mirage is already in the North American market, it could go where the Ford EcoSport hasn't... yet.
This'd do it, I reckon:

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Looks suitably whacky but distinctly Mitsubishi. I can't remember the scale of that concept (I've seen it up close at shows), but scale it to the Juke and keep the lightweight ethos of the Mirage and you'd be in business.

I think that compact crossover market needs a budget option. A basic Juke kicks off at £14k here. Shed a grand off that for the Mitsubishi and they'd almost certainly pick up buyers. Keeping to just the one engine would keep costs down. It doesn't need to be flashy, just interesting to look at, offer a bare minimum of expected equipment like the Mirage does, and not cost much to run.
 
They offer Peugeot and Citroen versions of the ASX on the continent, so something off the next C4 with a Mitsubishi spin could work as a next-gen Lancer. A PHEV family car with decent looks.
 
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They offer Peugeot and Citroen versions of the ASX on the continent, so something off the next C4 with a Mitsubishi spin could work as a next-gen Lancer. A PHEV family car with decent looks.
I'd completely forgotten about those, despite seeing dozens of them on my recent holiday! But yes, current PSA cars are quality products, it'd help with economies of scale, and it could certainly provide Mitsubishi with a good C-segment platform. In fact, the current 308 is probably that car, since I believe that's a generation on from the current C4.
 
It's pretty much at the point to where Mitsubishi and Subaru aren't really competing against each other anymore.
 
It's pretty much at the point to where Mitsubishi and Subaru aren't really competing against each other anymore.
Subaru has maintained their motorsports involvement and has grown quite a bit and continued to produce dang good cars...while Mitsubishi has slowly drifted away into an abyss.

So much for the muscle car era like battle in Japan...was great while it lasted. The two rally kings have been dwindled down to one.
 
Subaru has maintained their motorsports involvement and has grown quite a bit and continued to produce dang good cars...while Mitsubishi has slowly drifted away into an abyss.

So much for the muscle car era like battle in Japan...Mazda could be a good rival though.
Essentially it's now who makes the better (car category here)?
Mazda vs Honda vs Toyota vs Subaru
 
It's pretty much at the point to where Mitsubishi and Subaru aren't really competing against each other anymore.
They weren't really anyway, were they, more so than nearly any random automotive pairing?

Beyond that very narrow window in which turbocharged Imprezas and Lancer Evos operate they've always had slightly different markets. Mitsubishi has long specialised in off-road vehicles and staid sedans, while Subaru has long offered four-wheel drive wagons to people from the Pacific Northwest.
Subaru has maintained their motorsports involvement and has grown quite a bit and continued to produce dang good cars
Eh... Subaru's motorsports involvement died a death when they pulled out of WRC. Everything since hasn't really been at the same level. And I'm not sure I'd class their cars as "dang good" - the BRZ is just a slightly-worse FRS/GT86, the WRX STI feels a decade out of date and everything else is just a variation of an anonymous all-wheel drive wagon with slightly crappy fuel consumption.
 
Essentially it's now who makes the better (car category here)?
Mazda vs Honda vs Toyota vs Subaru
Yeah, there's no real category battles now. Especially with the Subaru/Toyota partnership on the GT86/BR-Z.

Though if the new RX7 does come to reality, maybe a Toyota/Mazda/Nissan sportscar battle can commence (Honda...why you no produce S2000 successor?!). Though maybe it's already kinda in place with the MX-5, GT86 and 370z it's kinda there.
 
Maybe they should platform-share with someone. I'm not sure who, and beyond brief flurries with Daimler and Volvo I'm not sure if they have any current partnerships, but even if they half-assed a compact sedan with someone it'd probably end up being more competitive than the Lancer, simply by virtue of it being newer.

I've heard FCA is looking for a buddy! Or partner up with another brand that could use the cash, Mazda?


Otherwise, I absolutely agree. It isn't as if Mitsubishi hasn't had at least a few innovations to share over the years, I'd assume their AWD system is worth some investment, let alone the EV tech. I certainly could see a situation where FCA could benefit quite a bit from some off-the-shelf bits/bobs to throw on a C or D segment vehicle to make a passable EV option for the US. Furthermore, I'd think that their manufacturing capacity would be something to go after, let alone the success that the Mirage has been as a cheap entry point vehicle internationally - particularly in Southeast Asia. I could certainly see a world where Mitsubishi re-skins a M3 and M6 to serve as Lancer and Gallant replacements, although what exactly Mitsubishi would have to give to Mazda here seems a bit of a stretch.

If I'm running Mitsubishi, I'm doing the following:

1. Leveraging as much as I can on the Mirage, right now. Update the interior a bit, figure out a way to add at least one, maybe two more configurations to the car to bring in more buyers. The car seems to have found its niche in the US, there has to be a way to expand it. I'm definitely in favor of doing a VW-like "Cross Mirage," adding some cladding and a little more ride height to make it look like an off-road vehicle. Steal some potential crossover sales without designing a crossover... While at the same time, doing everything they can to develop a crossover based on the Mirage. A lightweight, fuel-friendly, "capable" model could do well in the US, and I don't know if it'd eat into sales of the Outlander all that much

2. Partner with FCA to do two things:
A. Take the chassis from the Dart, make yourself a new Lancer/Gallant replacement. I think if it were Dart-sized, you could get away with calling it a Lancer replacement in the US, while internationally, it could easily slot in as a Gallant. I wouldn't use the same names, as I think it is time for the company to move forward, but its a great starting place. With the right styling, and AWD, I think it could easily find its place in the market
B. Give their EV tech to FCA to do a wider variety of EV vehicles in the US. An EV Dart or 200 makes a lot of sense, just the same, an EV version of that Lancer replacement. At the right price, like the iMEV has been, they could gain find a good place in the market for themselves
3. Bring in some kind of halo vehicle, any kind of halo vehicle. I don't even think it necessarily has to be a high-performance vehicle. Without the GTO/3000GT, Evolution, or hell even the Montero/Pajero (in the US), they've lacked the corner pieces to what had otherwise established them as an alternative to the Honda/Toyota/Nissan corner in the '80s and '90s. Yes, crossovers are king, but I think there is a place for a well-done sedan, sports coupe, or even a full-size SUV to take some attention away from their main competitors. The hard part is that the market is leaning so hard on crossovers, its hard to imagine them doing anything other than that - But there is certainly some room for a legitimately capable, and affordable, off-road crossover. The Ford Explorer kinda sits alone there, being a weird alternative to the Jeep Grand Cherokee, while doing its best to imitate the Range Rover. Why not a Mitsubishi that does the same? Although the Montero name may be tarnished a bit in the US, they could certainly make Pajero work - And with a properly done interior, looks similar to what's going on the the Outlander Sport, and a truly capable setup, there's bound to be sales to be had
 
As the Shogun is the only continuously running name in the UK market for them, it might be wise to go back to having Shogun as a sub-brand of sorts. The Challenger was Shogun Sport elsewhere at one point. A crossover could be Shogun Sport. The proper Shogun could be Shogun, and maybe even have the L200 as Shogun L200. At least that way they'd have an established link and some way of tying their range together.
 
I've driven pretty much every vehicle PSA has made over the past five years, as well as most of their competitors, so I do feel vaguely qualified to say things like that.

While I agree with this, there is a side note to the story.

PSA still builds cars that lose a lot of that quality as soon as it becomes a second hand car, and second hand cars are still a big part of the automotive world. But that's not PSA exclusive. VAG has that issue too. All those weight saving light materials aren't build to last.
 
While I agree with this, there is a side note to the story.

PSA still builds cars that lose a lot of that quality as soon as it becomes a second hand car, and second hand cars are still a big part of the automotive world. But that's not PSA exclusive. VAG has that issue too. All those weight saving light materials aren't build to last.
Indeed, though it's clear enough from recent reliability surveys that both PSA and Renault have advanced significantly over where they were say, ten years ago. They've gone from being bottom-table brands to somewhere in the middle, at the very least. I'm sure you've worked on enough of them to know that something like a 208 is in a different league to say, a 206 or something.
 
Absolutely. But time will tell if that quality stays. :P

Edit.

A 206 is an absolute piece of crap. It's on the same build quality level as a Golf 3 or equivalent Polo.
 
I've driven pretty much every vehicle PSA has made over the past five years, as well as most of their competitors, so I do feel vaguely qualified to say things like that.

And I fix them for a living so I feel very qualified to say that they are junk.
 
And I fix them for a living so I feel very qualified to say that they are junk.
Mechanics moan about literally everything in the entire world (I'm looking at you, @Dennisch :sly:), so I'm not sure that really counts as a qualification.

Regardless, that doesn't change what I was saying about reliability surveys. Modern PSA stuff simply doesn't break down or throw hissy fits as often as it used to, and when they do, it's at a less frequent rate than a lot of stuff on the market - at least half of it, if the surveys are anything to go by.
 
Mechanics moan about literally everything in the entire world (I'm looking at you, @Dennisch :sly:), so I'm not sure that really counts as a qualification.

Regardless, that doesn't change what I was saying about reliability surveys. Modern PSA stuff simply doesn't break down or throw hissy fits as often as it used to, and when they do, it's at a less frequent rate than a lot of stuff on the market - at least half of it, if the surveys are anything to go by.


Let me have my anti French sympathies.
I already have to give the British crap a pass, because reasons.
 
I'm going to buy a hydropneumatic Citroen and drive it to Hilversum just so you can have the pleasure of fixing it.

Have you not learned that I like ridiculous quirky French stuff. It's the normal crap that needs to go. On fire. Underneath a shipping container.

Also, for it to reach Hilversum you need to buy it in Hilversum. :P
 
And I fix them for a living so I feel very qualified to say that they are junk.

The most recent Auto Express Driver Power customer satisfaction survey covered over 61,000 cars in the UK. Sort the rankings by reliability, and out of the 200 surveyed, the Peugeot 108, 308 and 2008 finished 15th, 30th and 33rd respectively - all three are ranked higher than any BMW, VW or Mercedes, and all but one Audi (the Q3). Confirming the perception of how poor PSA products used to be (and how far they have come since), the Peugeot 407 finished 193rd.

As for Mitsubishi, the best result it achieved was for the Outlander (51st) and the worst was the Lancer (189th). For anyone wondering, the top of the reliability list is dominated by Toyota/Lexus.
 
Too bad there isn't an equivalent to Steven Lang's Long Term Quality Index in Europe.

It's an interesting study, covering used cars evaluated directly by used car dealers and their mechanics... he's got a huge number of data points (nearly a million already!), and since it covers cars at the point of sale to the second or third owner, his data is deep in the territory not covered by JDPowers and Consumer Reports... providing good estimates on how reliable cars are past the 100,000 mile mark.

http://tradeinqualityindex.com/

If you've never been to his site, go there. Take a poke around. Fascinating stuff, and something every used car buyer should be looking at (aside from TrueDelta: http://www.truedelta.com/ )

There is the Warranty Direct study in the UK, which I learned of a few years back, but the quality of their data doesn't seem anywhere near as good or as comprehensive as the LTQI, and their dataset looks sparse.

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/

They claim, for example, that the Lancer is a reliable car... which is odd given the CVT issues.

Still a lot of food for thought in there.
 
Assuming that the press release covered all of the Lancer lineup, all of the models will be going to a CVT after 2016 if you go for the automatic option.
 
Assuming that the press release covered all of the Lancer lineup, all of the models will be going to a CVT after 2016 if you go for the automatic option.
That's the final nail in the coffin for me. CVT's are disgusting. :yuck:
 
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