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[Ginger yido]

I won't continue the debate with you if you can answer one question? Why do you think we should not use assists if these cars use assists in real life while being driven by world class factory drivers.

@NervoTank Obviously everyone on Apex has the same elitist we're the best attitude.

I race on apex on Wednesdays. I can confirm I'm neither elitist nor the best .

 

[kie25]

I don't get why others should be penalized just because @Zakspeed_TV (and more) didn't have the time to read the rules before the season? Everyone else did and now they get a penalty for it.

@kie25 Well then obviously Zak told you the wrong rules didn't he? How is that everyone else's problem?

If Toto Wolff tells both Hamilton and Rosberg that they can cut the monaco chicane every lap they can't start a poll after the race that they won, and say, hey Toto told us it was ok to cut the chicane, so that's what the rules should be.

Zak would not have agreed to TC being on like many pro drivers wouldn't if they knew it was allowed, that is why this is getting discussed, to be fair I feel only pro drivers should even be discussing it, it does not effect other tiers so let's take this on psn away from here and get a vote sorted, we will leave the vote for a few days so everyone can vote, can someone give me a list of all pro drivers please. I'll start a chat up Tomorrow as going bed in bit, or if someone else can that would be great.

 

[ozwheels]

I'm not saying we are the best, what I'm saying is that we are meant to be "the fastest and skilled tier" and consequently as pro drivers everyone should run with no assists. What's the point into running with assist in the highest tier?

What Pro drivers in real life run GT3 cars without assists?

 

[Rexuz]

Zak would not have agreed to TC being on like many pro drivers wouldn't if they knew it was allowed, that is why this is getting discussed, to be fair I feel only pro drivers should even be discussing it, it does not effect other tiers so let's take this on psn away from here and get a vote sorted, we will leave the vote for a few days so everyone can vote, can someone give me a list of all pro drivers please. I'll. start a chat up
Tomorrow as going bed in bit, or if someone else can that would be great.

It does effect other tiers as people has already started to leave the series because of people not playing by the rules.
Teams will have to find new replacement drivers once again.

 

[fortbo]

I'm not saying we are the best, what I'm saying is that we are meant to be "the fastest and skilled tier" and consequently as pro drivers everyone should run with no assists. What's the point into running with assist in the highest tier?

You don't seem to understand what the tiers are meant for, it's driving skill, not difficulty. I have no problem with running no TCS, but it's not realistic. What's realistic is to use what the cars were meant to use, this is a sim racing league isn't it? We should make the racing as realistic as possible.

 

[MrMattAdz]

I'm not saying we are the best, what I'm saying is that we are meant to be "the fastest and skilled tier" and consequently as pro drivers everyone should run with no assists. What's the point into running with assist in the highest tier?

The point is that they are real assists used by real gt3 racing drivers. If this was a F1 series then you'd have a point, but the real assists setting was put into the game to stop all this elitist bullcrap. If real drivers use assists then why shouldn't we?!

 

[NervoTank]

If I host their next race lobby and without saying put all assists ON. Do you think they will be complaining after the race?

Yes. If we are in that tier is because we want to race with no asissts. Isn't so difficult to understand from my POV. And if you would do this I think people would disable assists lol

 

[fortbo]

The point is that they are real assists used by real gt3 racing drivers. If this was a F1 series then you'd have a point, but the real assists setting was put into the game to stop all this elitist bullcrap. If real drivers use assists then why shouldn't we?!

Because your a noob if you use real assists.

 

[kie25]

I won't continue the debate with you if you can answer one question? Why do you think we should not use assists if these cars use assists in real life while being driven by world class factory drivers.

@NervoTank Obviously everyone on Apex has the same elitist we're the best attitude.

You really need to grow up mate, for 1 project cars is not real life, Nervo was stating his view, if you don't like it have a grown
Up reply.

 

[ozwheels]

You really need to grow up mate, for 1 project cars is not real life, Nervo was stating his view, if you don't like it have a grown
Up reply.

Biggest hypocrite on GTPlanet. Coming from someone who said we are pathetic for using TCS in pro tier and were lucky to be allowed ABS.

 

[MrMattAdz]

Zak would not have agreed to TC being on like many pro drivers wouldn't if they knew it was allowed, that is why this is getting discussed, to be fair I feel only pro drivers should even be discussing it, it does not effect other tiers so let's take this on psn away from here and get a vote sorted, we will leave the vote for a few days so everyone can vote, can someone give me a list of all pro drivers please. I'll start a chat up Tomorrow as going bed in bit, or if someone else can that would be great.

It has already affected me because my pro tier driver is very likely to quit the series now after the sudden and un-authorized changed in rules, that's why I'm still here trying to fight in his corner.

Yes. If we are in that tier is because we want to race with no asissts. Isn't so difficult to understand from my POV. And if you would do this I think people would disable assists lol

You are in that tier because you are faster than other drivers, not because you don't want to use assists. Not only that but your second argument is beyond hypocrisy, you argue that semi pro drivers would personally disable their own assists, why can't the pro tier have real assists on and any drivers who don't want them can manually turn them off?

 

[STALLIONO]

It does effect other tiers as people has already started to leave the series because of people not playing by the rules.
Teams will have to find new replacement drivers once again.

Then no reason to continue, people complain and don't get their way. So they quit. A poll was listed weeks ago. Your teams are short, it's on you to find replacements

 

[MrMattAdz]

Then no reason to continue, people complain and don't get their way. So they quit. A poll was listed weeks ago. Your teams are short, it's on you to find replacements

ffs are you kidding me, they quit because the rules that had been decided weeks ago were changed last minute, don't tell us now that we need to find a new driver when it's other people who want the rules changed.

 

[Ginger yido]

I'm not saying we are the best, what I'm saying is that we are meant to be "the fastest and skilled tier" and consequently as pro drivers everyone should run with no assists. What's the point into running with assist in the highest tier?

Think its a case of if your told to study for an English exam then you turn up and finds its a French exam (because you speak English already so what's the point) yourgonna be a bit miffed.

All you have to do is read the op regardless of personal opinions.

It is what it is

 

[NervoTank]

You don't seem to understand what the tiers are meant for, it's driving skill, not difficulty. I have no problem with running no TCS, but it's not realistic. What's realistic is to use what the cars were meant to use, this is a sim racing league isn't it? We should make the racing as realistic as possible.

Our POVs are completely different as it seems. I know what you are trying to say but it's impossible to convince you guys as you are stick into keep as realistic assists as real life. But that's a game. For me it's more challenging racing with no assists than racing with, just coz it's more difficult and one mistake can be punished to loose the race or so. Then, yeah this arguments would never end as we will never agree

 

[MrMattAdz]

Our POVs are completely different as it seems. I know what you are trying to say but it's impossible to convince you guys as you are stick into keep as realistic assists as real life. But that's a game. For me it's more challenging racing with no assists than racing with, just coz it's more difficult and one mistake can be punished to loose the race or so. Then, yeah this arguments would never end as we will never agree

You're right we probably won't agree. But you know what? You already have a series with assists turned off that you can race in, and we have this series which originally had real assists enabled. If you really don't want assists then you shouldn't have joined the series, it's not like this is your only choice.

 

[Blaqkratos]

I'm driving in the PRO tier and IMO we should run the league without assists. I don't see the point to allow TC or ABS when we are meant to be the fastest tier in that series, and tbh running with TC on or ABS is so easy, it's so boring and no motivating while driving as its like gas brake, turn the wheel and you don't have to worry about anything else. I vote for realistic assist, ABS and TC OFF without doubt. Can't understand why do we need the ABS to race when we are in theory the "fastest and skilled" Tier.

I suggest realistic settings as it would be set for the actual cars in real life. some have certain assists, some don't. I know some of you guys who have wheels may have extra buttons to toggle thru bias' such as brakes and traction control. it would add more authenticity to the league you know. but thats just my suggestion

 

[ElBasque]

Can someone give me a one word answer to this question...

Was there an agreement reached via poll weeks before the series start that said "all lobbies would set assists to realistic (+stability in amateur?), and that those who didnt want to use them could disable them personally"?

One word, genuinely curious as that's what i seem to remember happening. But maybe not.

 

[Ginger yido]

There are 159 pages in this thread. It's far for people to assume the rules in the OP are the rules. Rember this is the first season and things can change over time. Not worth quitting over as people can still race with assists of if they do so desire

My 2cents anyways

 

[MrMattAdz]

Can someone give me a one word answer to this question...

Was there an agreement reached via poll weeks before the series start that said "all lobbies would set assists to realistic (+stability in amateur?), and that those who didnt want to use them could disable them personally"?

One word, genuinely curious as that's what i seem to remember happening. But maybe not.

There was a poll but it didn't gain traction (pun intended) and there were only a few votes. Later Stalliono said that qualifying and all tiers would have real assists, and as a result that's what you see in the OP.

 

[Skaankypuppy]

I am pulling out. I am fed up of the way this is being run. It is a joke. There may well be another series starting soon that I can get involved with.

I have made some good friends off the back of this and hope they will remain, I've had enough of your toys out of pram. Goodbye.

 

[diesel97]

Can someone give me a one word answer to this question...

Was there an agreement reached via poll weeks before the series start that said "all lobbies would set assists to realistic (+stability in amateur?), and that those who didnt want to use them could disable them personally"?

One word, genuinely curious as that's what i seem to remember happening. But maybe not.

yes and the OP is updated and everyone is told to read the OP

 

[Ginger yido]

It's does seem most people in pro wouldn't mind off. It's just the case of knowing what the situation is prior to racing (understandable) as it can effect setups and zee like..

 

[STALLIONO]

ffs are you kidding me, they quit because the rules that had been decided weeks ago were changed last minute, don't tell us now that we need to find a new driver when it's other people who want the rules changed.

People in this Series don't respect whats final. They complain till they get what they want. I'm sorry we made a poll about Assists weeks ago. If you all where too Lazy to Read the 1st Page. Don't make excuses about the Assists. I think you ALL should respect what the 1st page states. The assists will be used. You can have them on in the Lobby. You as the Driver can have them off in your settings

 

[NervoTank]

It has already affected me because my pro tier driver is very likely to quit the series now after the sudden and un-authorized changed in rules, that's why I'm still here trying to fight in his corner.


You are in that tier because you are faster than other drivers, not because you don't want to use assists. Not only that but your second argument is beyond hypocrisy, you argue that semi pro drivers would personally disable their own assists, why can't the pro tier have real assists on and any drivers who don't want them can manually turn them off?

You are wrong here, if I'm in that tier it's because I don't want to run with assists in there. I can be faster than other drivers but if I would use assists I wouldn't be in the tier I am actually, would be in another one with assists deapite being fast or not.

And I meant they guys in the pro tier in the other league, not the semi pros. If they are in the league with no assists it's coz they decided to vote for no assists for the race leagues. Not for nothing else

 

[STALLIONO]

I am pulling out. I am fed up of the way this is being run. It is a joke. There may well be another series starting soon that I can get involved with.

I have made some good friends off the back of this and hope they will remain, I've had enough of your toys out of pram. Goodbye.

How when it was written in the 1st Page for weeks. You people complain wsy too much

 

[MrMattAdz]

I am pulling out. I am fed up of the way this is being run. It is a joke. There may well be another series starting soon that I can get involved with.

I have made some good friends off the back of this and hope they will remain, I've had enough or your toys out of pram. Goodbye.

Lol you changed the rules without asking and are now fed up that people are angry about that?! You do realise this whole argument is entirely down to you not reading the rules properly?

If you know of anyone who is capable of following simple instructions be sure to send them to this series so they can qualify for your vacant position.

 

[Ginger yido]

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[STALLIONO]

Okay guys, if you feel it's a joke please just quit. I'm seconds for having this topic locked. You people complain like littke kids

 

[MrMattAdz]

You are wrong here, if I'm in that tier it's because I don't want to run with assists in there. I can be faster than other drivers but if I would use assists I wouldn't be in the tier I am actually, would be in another one with assists deapite being fast or not.

And I meant they guys in the pro tier in the other league, not the semi pros. If they are in the league with no assists it's coz they decided to vote for no assists for the race leagues. Not for nothing else

No that's crazy, you might as well say that if someone with you're pace decided that they wanted to race with assists on they should sandbag and get into the amateur tier. You did not CHOOSE to get into the pro tier, you qualified for the series and were fast enough to get to the top tier.

Like we've been saying constantly now, the rules have been set for ages, why the hell didn't you read them properly when you joined?! If you have suddenly come to the conclusion that the rules do not suit you, then please look elsewhere for your driving enjoyment in one of the many other series available.

Okay guys, if you feel it's a joke please just quit. I'm seconds for having this topic locked. You people complain like littke kids

I'm going no where, I respected you enough to read the rules properly and this is what I signed up for, can't help it others didn't show the same basic courtesy. If the rules are changed and my pro driver decides to quit, I am going with him.