Toca is still my all time no.1 game and i loved race pro,although it didnt get a great reception over here in the uk,shift one was class with a racing rig when you got the settings right and thats what im hoping for in pcars but gt is still the best all rounder weve had on console for wheel racers and it seems to be loosing its will to live....nostalgia dictates that we need a new all improved"Gt the real driving simulator"but ps3 never truly delivered cos it never improved on gt2,thats why i fear that ps4 wont prove the series,its all about lost and wasted opportunities.