Most difficult section of a track to drive

[nige]

Was reading the thread about which track everyone hates the most and it made me think about which is the most difficult section of track to drive. For me I immediately thought of Citia di Aria ( reverse ), in particular the section from the start down to left hand corner at the bottom of the hill. I'm trying to complete Hard Condition for 200 points and it is driving me mad. Whatever car I'm in, I can't get it right. 5 second penalty for bashing into the scenery nearlly every time!!!
Anyway, here's my nomination
: Citia di Aria ( reverse ), in particular the section from the start down to left hand corner at the bottom of the hill.
What 's yours?
nige

 

[<_Spike_>]

Hmm...my top 3 worst track sections...

Suzuka West - as you're coming up to where the tight chicane is on the full circuit, you get another tight moment of long hard braking followed by a 90 deg tight corner with no real margine for error in a close race.

Cote d'Azur - Going around Pool...with the walls up in this stupid non-F1 version of the track it's pretty tough in a pacey car for me...oh how I wish for the track to be given the full F1 up-to-date treatment...in my eyes that's the only way to race that track, most prestigious in the F1 Calander and all...

El Capitan - The hill you approach as you come out of the tunnel, you really can't make any mistakes there otherwise you'll lose it completely.

 

[tommeh]

The Sarth circuit 1. The chicanes killme every time!

 

[IMTDS]

I just can't seem to get hairpins right.
I did them ok in the liscence tests, but when it comes to driving them in a race, I always struggle.
The set of hairpin bends at the end of the Costa Di Amalfi course are the ones I struggle with most but I also find the hairpin on Cote d'Azur difficult.

 

[vectradriver]

The section of corners after the start of a 'Ring lap. The camber catches all manners of cars out and you edge off the track quite easily

 

[Luca]

The two sections of the 'Ring that I find most difficult are:

- First one is the section you do in the BMW M5 in one of the license tests. After you go down a hill and build up a lot of speed, you see what you think is a very slight left-hander going uphill, but right at the crest it veers more sharply to the left. Since you're cresting the hill your traction is already worse than normal. And, because it is a blind corner, it's hard to slow down just the right amount and not lose time. You actually don't even have to go that slowly to take it correctly, but if you go even just a hair too fast you're going off the track.

- The second happens in the last third of the 'Ring, just a half a dozen or so turns before the second Karrusel. There's a section where the track is very obviously convex; that is, the center is much higher than both the sides. It makes negotiating this section very complicated. I haven't memorized the second half of the track as well as the first so I can't pinpoint it as exactly as with the first part.

Oh, and the S-turns at Suzuka are quite the challenge. There are quite a lot in succession and it requires a lot of concentration to nail each one without losing lots of time or going off course.

 

[IMTDS]

I forgot another bit I have trouble with.
The Spoon Curve at Suzuka. I can never find the right line through there and always loose way too much momentum.
I know it can be done much better because the AI is quicker through there than I am.

 

[Duke]

I forgot another bit I have trouble with.
The Spoon Curve at Suzuka. I can never find the right line through there and always loose way too much momentum.
I know it can be done much better because the AI is quicker through there than I am.

All of Suzuka qualifies as difficult and annoying to me. The 1-2 Turn combination is impossible in traffic. There's no good line through Degner in particular, or Spoon. No matter how I try it at 130R, either I run off to the outside, or if I slow enough to actually keep it on track, I lose huge ground to the AI. And then coming into Casio Triangle there are a bunch of service roads and shortcuts that make it impossible to know where to turn in for the chicane.

 

[TheCracker]

I think all of the real-life tracks have tricky sections. I suppose its because the made-up circuits are designed to flow better, where as the real ones are designed for real cars not video game ones, if you see what i mean. Its a credit to PD that the real life circuits are like this, it means they've done a good job of simulating them.

If PD had actually made up Suzuka they'd have changed 50% of the turns.

 

[<_Spike_>]

I love doing an "Alonso" around the outside of 130r...get it right and it does look a stunning move...get it wrong and you're totally screwed

 

[TheCracker]

I love doing an &quot;Alonso&quot; around the outside of 130r...get it right and it does look a stunning move...get it wrong and you're totally screwed

I'd be happy to feel like i'd got the corner right just the once

 

[GM]

For me it's the 130R, either, very slow or into the sand.

 

[<_Spike_>]

I'd be happy to feel like i'd got the corner right just the once

Took me a long long time to get it right I must confess, and I still do get it wrong in many cars..

 

[samj_13]

I don't know what it's called, but it's after the sweeping left turn on Suzuka, the chicane . I don't know why, but I screw up every time on this corner.

 

[Duke]

I don't know what it's called, but it's after the sweeping left turn on Suzuka, the chicane . I don't know why, but I screw up every time on this corner.

That's the Casio Triangle. And you screw up on it every time because it's a total pain in the butt to see where you're supposed to go.

 

[Thundercat]

Seems like we all agree that Suzuka is a tough circuit
For me it's the S curves . . . if you don't hit 'em right, your lap time is turns to junk in a hurry. Then there's the imfamous 130R . . . brake too early you feel like a coward, brake too late and you're kissing tires!

 

[RICHARDO]

130R is a pretty easy corner if you're familiar with the car your driving, I keep getting silver on it in the licence test.

Now what REALLY messes me up at Suzuka is those damn chicanes!
You have to take a slower speed around the last chicanes, but I always forget that and understeer into the dirt.

Not even the 'Ring gets me this fustrated.

 

[Thundercat]

130R is a pretty easy corner if you're familiar with the car your driving, I keep getting silver on it in the licence test.

EASY!!!? Man, I'll tell ya', I can hit that corner perfectly in the Nissan Motul Pitwork racecar 4 times in a row like it's nothing. Then for some reason . . . I'll glance to the right and see the markers counting down . . . 100 . . . 50 . . . I'll brake late and eat tires! The next lap I'll remember my mistake and I'll brake too damned early!! Then I'll run 3 or 4, sometimes 5 perfect laps before I start making more mistakes in 130R. It's this annoying cycle I'll go through with Suzuka more than any other track.

 

[Eric.]

I have trouble with most of Fuji 2005, but its mostly due to the fact that it looks like somebody painted white lines on a Wal Mart parking lot and you have to try to see where the track is supposed to be going. I have no trouble at the earlier versions, but I just can't see where I'm going in the new one. The worst part is the set of semi-hairpins right before the straight.

 

[Scaff]

- The second happens in the last third of the 'Ring, just a half a dozen or so turns before the second Karrusel. There's a section where the track is very obviously convex; that is, the center is much higher than both the sides. It makes negotiating this section very complicated. I haven't memorized the second half of the track as well as the first so I can't pinpoint it as exactly as with the first part.

In reality most drivers who have been to the 'ring also consider this section the most challenging part of the circuit as well, and for exactly the reasons you mention.

All of Suzuka qualifies as difficult and annoying to me. The 1-2 Turn combination is impossible in traffic. There's no good line through Degner in particular, or Spoon. No matter how I try it at 130R, either I run off to the outside, or if I slow enough to actually keep it on track, I lose huge ground to the AI. And then coming into Casio Triangle there are a bunch of service roads and shortcuts that make it impossible to know where to turn in for the chicane.

I used to avoid Suzuka like the plague, I was however forced to get to grips with in in TT and when it was used as a round in the Virtual Track Day series.

130r was the single biggest headache for me on the entire track until I got it into my head that you need minimal braking and a very early and gradual turn-in to take the corner fast. For a long fast sweeper it has a surprisingly low margin for error, but once you nail it the feeling is great. Its just repeating it lap after lap thats the problem.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

I have trouble with most of Fuji 2005, but its mostly due to the fact that it looks like somebody painted white lines on a Wal Mart parking lot and you have to try to see where the track is supposed to be going. I have no trouble at the earlier versions, but I just can't see where I'm going in the new one. The worst part is the set of semi-hairpins right before the straight.

When I started out in GT4, I hated that part of the track, too. It's all a matter of knowing where the apex's are. All of the other corners are easy for me.

 

[Michael88]

A very difficult part is the last s-turn at the Motegi full length track. You have to break in the middle of that turn....

And of course the extreme turns at the Coasta Amalfi, you have to break to 30mp/h to take that turns.

 

[<_Spike_>]

I have trouble with most of Fuji 2005, but its mostly due to the fact that it looks like somebody painted white lines on a Wal Mart parking lot and you have to try to see where the track is supposed to be going. I have no trouble at the earlier versions, but I just can't see where I'm going in the new one. The worst part is the set of semi-hairpins right before the straight.

The last corner of the 2005 verions of Fuji get's me, I either go in to deep and understeer off the outside exit of the corner or I go wide to whip in...and understeer off the outside exit of the corner

 

[Mayuri Ootsuka]

Gravenoire at Clermont Ferrand is the toughest bit of track I've raced on.

Nightmare, blind with poor surface grip and a nice drop off the side of the Volcano if you don't stay in the groove.


In GT4 - Only one choice really.

Basilica do Santa Chiara - all the way to the - San Apollinare, at the Assisi track. The ways now must have so many layers of metallic paint and bits of ripped off trim.

In GT5 the track will be even narrower due to the scaffolding errected to repair the medieval stonework.

 

[Metar]

I'll agree to everyone here. That Casio Triangle (isn't that a watch company?), and all those. On certain cars (*cough*RX-7*cough*), I also can't hold that sweeper before the Casio. Either I understeer off, or brake too much...
There's also that turn on Twin Ring Motegi... I think it's the 1st, but there is another similar one. It's about 120 degrees, but I always take it like a 90-degrees, simply because this section has many 90ers, and then accelerate - into the sand. It's nasty...

 

[Mayuri Ootsuka]

odd but Suzuka and Motegi both have "130R" corners.

Suzuka's is after you go "over" the bridge but before you reach the Casio Triangle chicane.

Motegi's is as you pass under the Oval for the first time and head up the hill. That easy right is a 130 meter radius corner as well... amazing how the apporach speed really effects how you drive each corner.

 

[samj_13]

That's the Casio Triangle. And you screw up on it every time because it's a total pain in the butt to see where you're supposed to go.

Exactly.

 

[Kylehnat]

I can't really think of any track sections that are truly "difficult" to drive; just difficult to learn. Once the tricks are revealed, the drive becomes easy.

I agree with the comments about Suzuka and Fuji '05. The Casio Triangle at Suzuka has changed numerous times over the years, with the current iteration probably being the hardest to master. It is definately hard to see, but really, the only tricky part is getting the brake point right. Once you figure that out, you'll know exactly where to turn in (if the brake-markers weren't there, it would be damn near impossible). Same for the double-apexed Spoon Curve. Fuji '05 could use some grass and brake-markers. When I drive this track, it's mostly just gut-feeling, because you can't see the road very well at all. The last little twisty section is fun, though 👍

As for the Nurburgring, only 12 of its 13 miles are tricky, so what is everyone complaining about?

 

[bjb]

The one track I have problems with is Super speedway. For some reason I suck at that track. As in I don't get a good gap on the AI cars no matter where I start. So its the most difficult track for me. For some stupid reason.

 

[nige]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned any sections of the rally tracks. I'm just bad at all of them!
nige