Motegi disappointing

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Maybe in the future GTA, PD should have this arrangement instead, any player could do as many laps of practice as they could on a certain given time trial, but to enter their time to the leaderboard, they only have one shot, a 5 lap shoot out, where the time are average of those 5 laps. Once this is done, there's no retry or resubmission of time.

I would prefer this kind of competition, where faster driver would take time and surprise everyone at the end of the competition. A consistent driver would also take great benefit from this and not depending on that one lap magic of perfect run that took hours of hours and hundreds of laps, but instead a consistent 5 laps time that reflect their countless hours of practice beforehand.

 

[1241Penguin]

You forgot that PD "has to making things user-friendly." I'd imagine that your idea would be quite difficult for a number of players, especially since this is a brand new car on a completely unknown track. Still, given the GT Academy is all serious, then PD should have little tolerance of those who need 50 attempts before being able to set a quick lap.

 

[JK83]

Someone here got bad mood lately
I just cant resist

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

You forgot that PD "has to making things user-friendly." I'd imagine that your idea would be quite difficult for a number of players, especially since this is a brand new car on a completely unknown track. Still, given the GT Academy is all serious, then PD should have little tolerance of those who need 50 attempts before being to set a quick lap.

My ideas was that any player could practice as many laps as they want until they feel confident and familiar with the track. If they could do a string of clean quick times consistently on the track given after their practice laps, then they should use that one shot 5 lap shoot out and submit their time. If this is too serious then maybe we can have 3 trial tickets for 5 laps each, so basically 3 lives, 3 chances to submit their times. It would be a lot more thrilling and filtered out inconsistent drivers and those 1 stroke of perfection lap magic. The faster guys would used the 3 lives as part of their strategy as well.

 

[1241Penguin]

I meant "GT Academy is all serious" as in, the real life GT Academy is all serious. But I do see your point, and I think it would force players to actually be nervous about racing.

 

[jimftr]

Maybe in the future GTA, PD should have this arrangement instead, any player could do as many laps of practice as they could on a certain given time trial, but to enter their time to the leaderboard, they only have one shot, a 5 lap shoot out, where the time are average of those 5 laps. Once this is done, there's no retry or resubmission of time.

I would prefer this kind of competition, where faster driver would take time and surprise everyone at the end of the competition. A consistent driver would also take great benefit from this and not depending on that one lap magic of perfect run that took hours of hours and hundreds of laps, but instead a consistent 5 laps time that reflect their countless hours of practice beforehand.

I have to agree, this would be a nice idea, because a i am usually very consistent and i can make the best use of a car for a good few laps, usually the times only go down when the tyres start to lose grip haha. But yea, i'm at a 1:32.1 atm, so flipping hard to get that extra .6 that i want.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

I have to agree, this would be a nice idea, because a i am usually very consistent and i can make the best use of a car for a good few laps, usually the times only go down when the tyres start to lose grip haha. But yea, i'm at a 1:32.1 atm, so flipping hard to get that extra .6 that i want.

In the words of TRC Scooty, "the fastest would still be fastest." Also, this would only accomplish frustration for the "casual" gamer and poor branding strategy if they're intending this to stay open to all. I'm convinced they don't want to turn this into an "elite" time trial event where only the fastest compete. They intentionally keep it in the category of "from casual to elite may compete" so people like myself can post a time, gold the event for items in the GT5 game, yet not even worry about placing in the top 32. I got to compete against drivers like you even though I didn't have a chance. It was a thrill and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

In the words of TRC Scooty, "the fastest would still be fastest." Also, this would only accomplish frustration for the "casual" gamer and poor branding strategy if they're intending this to stay open to all. I'm convinced they don't want to turn this into an "elite" time trial event where only the fastest compete. They intentionally keep it in the category of "from casual to elite may compete" so people like myself can post a time, gold the event for items in the GT5 game, yet not even worry about placing in the top 32. I got to compete against drivers like you even though I didn't have a chance. It was a thrill and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

The idea was to find the most consistent driver who could post 5 laps time, whether it would be a total of 5 or average of 5, not simply the fastest time posted, I don't see how that could translate into "elite" time trial. Any casual player could do it, they have limitless amount of laps for practice, but as I said, we could have 3 tickets systems for time submission, where any player could have 3 chances to pull 5 laps time, the quickest of 5 laps averaged or totalled would be better in reflecting one's ability not only to driving quickly around the track but also consistently. Just an opinion, anyone is free to disagree, but bear in mind, the thrill would be a lot more, fast driver will need to put strategy when posting their times, and there are 3 chances.

 

[PAPPACLART]

I have not tried the track yet but welcome any new track.

 

[TRC Scooty]

...or they could just keep it as is, a straight forward hotlap competition easily accessible by all. You start throwing in fancy rule sets and guess what, the casual player WILL lose interest and just move on. Obviously the system is working so why would they try to reinvent the wheel?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The casual player already lose interest when we have 8-5, how many players at least golded the last event at Motegi ? 10 - 20% maybe out of the number of players in GTA this year. Nothing fancy about 5 lap total or average, if 1 chance is not enough, make it 3, just an idea, not that it would happen anyway I just want to see a better way to filter candidates, no offence to anyone.

 

[TRC Scooty]

I'm simply refuting your claim that your system is 'better'. Being consistent in GT means nothing once you're in a real car and not to mention they're looking at more than outright speed. You have to be healthy enough, have the right personality and be able to drive a real car well. As we saw last year in the US GT Academy personality flaws can outweigh outright speed, it's unfortunate, but they're looking for some one reliable and dedicated.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The reason I said about such idea is to get closer to reality, where driver's lap time are not done countless time just to get the quickest one. With a limited chance to post an average or total time of several laps, I know it's not a perfect system or better than any other usual system. It might be worse for you, but I prefer such system.

Consistency doing something, even it's a game, is still worth more than just being faster by a fraction of a second for only 1 lap out of many laps.
Experience, attitude, dedication, will power and skill are what's needed in the next phase, just like you said, and consistent driver is the reflection of that.

Edit : I sort of tweeted Kaz about this, I don't know what he thinks about it

 

[SUPERSONICpsiii]

Oh jeez, where do I start?

OK firstly, you know it's a real circuit right? Not something PD put together specifically to entertain you. Secondly, it's not a long track but the clue is in the name Twin Ring Motegi EAST SHORT COURSE. It's not the full circuit, which is a lot longer.

Furthermore there are several fast corners (unless you are just a bad driver), and it is overall a pretty fast track with some very fast straights. Track graphics are per usual and just fine, there isn't a lot of trackside detail but that's because there isn't in real life. They aren't going to put hot dog stands in for people to stop and look at.

Finally, you are honestly saying that casual gamers who don't want to put much effort in should be rewarded over "loosers" (looser than what?) who practice, show dedication and tenacity and are rewarded by good times? In answer to your question, the best guy is the one with the quickest time, who may have been running 1:32.xxx 4 laps in, but kept practicing, honing his technique and shaving off those vital tenths of seconds. The key is that hundreds or thousands of people will run 1:32's, only a handful are good enough AND dedicated enough to run 1:31's.

Some of those guys will be jumping into real race cars eventually. Hard work reaps rewards and I know if I was a team boss who I would rather have in my cars, it would be those guys rather than some flippant casual racer who insults anyone who puts real effort in.

You just put the words from my mouth on this thread... cheers my good sir

 

[HaylRayzor]

I think you should get only one lap. No practice. And it should be on a track nobody has seen. In a Yellowbird. On comfort hard tires. In the rain. Blindfolded. With no sleep for 48 hours.

Then you know its serious.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

I think you should get only one lap. No practice. And it should be on a track nobody has seen. In a Yellowbird. On comfort hard tires. In the rain. Blindfolded. With no sleep for 48 hours.

Then you know its serious.

+10 points for best sarcastic comment of the day!

 

[CodeRedR51]

I like the track. Can't wait to get it in the full game. We need more narrow/technical/flat tracks like this.

 

[Tidgney]

You can't do the average laps with limited laps for one obvious reason..... 'Create a new Account'.

Hotlapping is both the best way to find the fastest drivers and those that want it most. You'll probably find that most people who want this will actually study other peoples driving styles, entrance, exits, braking, acceleration, turn in anything that will give them that little bit better of understanding. If I was Nissan and somebody spent hours upon hours to go from a 1:40 to a 1:30 I know I would want to at least give them the opportunity, as that shows dedication and what they want more than anything is a willingness to learn because the winners of the competition will not have the experience, and will need to learn quickly!

The fact people go on about people who spend either all day or 1 hour a day doesn't matter if you want to be fast you'll find a way to be fast, if you want to win you'll find a way to win or give it your all and know you did your very best and feel happy with yourself, knowing that the next year or the next competition that ever hosts something like this you have the knowledge to improve.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

You can't do the average laps with limited laps for one obvious reason..... 'Create a new Account'.

Hotlapping is both the best way to find the fastest drivers and those that want it most. You'll probably find that most people who want this will actually study other peoples driving styles, entrance, exits, braking, acceleration, turn in anything that will give them that little bit better of understanding. If I was Nissan and somebody spent hours upon hours to go from a 1:40 to a 1:30 I know I would want to at least give them the opportunity, as that shows dedication and what they want more than anything is a willingness to learn because the winners of the competition will not have the experience, and will need to learn quickly!

The fact people go on about people who spend either all day or 1 hour a day doesn't matter if you want to be fast you'll find a way to be fast, if you want to win you'll find a way to win or give it your all and know you did your very best and feel happy with yourself, knowing that the next year or the next competition that ever hosts something like this you have the knowledge to improve.

agreed.👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

You can't do the average laps with limited laps for one obvious reason..... 'Create a new Account'.

Hotlapping is both the best way to find the fastest drivers and those that want it most.

The "create new account" will happen with any system used, if someone wanted badly enough, but I get the point you made. I think PD would know if someone is using more than 2 accounts, like right now we need to be registered to be officially competing in the final event, we can't put 2 names with different credentials, they will know.

The kind of limited lap I was saying is only taken when the driver decide to do so at his/her own discretion during the competition period, the drivers are free to practice the time trial, once they feel confident and have reach a good lap time, they can use the available limited chances to pull the x lap that will be recorded. It does sounds a lot harder, as the risk of making mistakes and bad lap time will ruin the recorded time, but by giving several chances, anyone who really wanted to win will make sure to have a string of good laps. This is where being fast in one lap over many laps is not enough. I don't see any reason that this is bad to anyone, much like hotlapping, if one really wanted to win, keep practicing for the x lap shoot out, or keep hotlapping - same thing.

You'll probably find that most people who want this will actually study other peoples driving styles, entrance, exits, braking, acceleration, turn in anything that will give them that little bit better of understanding. If I was Nissan and somebody spent hours upon hours to go from a 1:40 to a 1:30 I know I would want to at least give them the opportunity, as that shows dedication and what they want more than anything is a willingness to learn because the winners of the competition will not have the experience, and will need to learn quickly!

The fact people go on about people who spend either all day or 1 hour a day doesn't matter if you want to be fast you'll find a way to be fast, if you want to win you'll find a way to win or give it your all and know you did your very best and feel happy with yourself, knowing that the next year or the next competition that ever hosts something like this you have the knowledge to improve.

What you have said here applies to any system implemented in the competition, hotlapping or limited lap trial, drivers would spend days to learn the track, learn from others. As I said, the limited lap trial can be done anytime, while the drivers can still practice as many laps as they can, before they are ready to record their average/total time over x laps, and they have several chances to do so. Anyway I am not pushing this idea to anyone to follow, just sharing my thoughts , if the next GTA have different system similar to limited lap trial, I am glad, but the same method like now is also fine, I'm just in it for the fun of it, not interested on winning, I have my own career already lol.

 

[Tidgney]

The "create new account" will happen with any system used, if someone wanted badly enough, but I get the point you made. I think PD would know if someone is using more than 2 accounts, like right now we need to be registered to be officially competing in the final event, we can't put 2 names with different credentials, they will know.

The kind of limited lap I was saying is only taken when the driver decide to do so at his/her own discretion during the competition period, the drivers are free to practice the time trial, once they feel confident and have reach a good lap time, they can use the available limited chances to pull the x lap that will be recorded. It does sounds a lot harder, as the risk of making mistakes and bad lap time will ruin the recorded time, but by giving several chances, anyone who really wanted to win will make sure to have a string of good laps. This is where not only being fast in one lap over many laps is not enough. I don't see any reason that this is bad to anyone, much like hotlapping, if one really wanted to win, keep practicing for the x lap shoot out, or keep hotlapping - same thing.

What you have said here applies to any system implemented in the competition, hotlapping or limited lap trial, drivers would spend days to learn the track, learn from others. As I said, the limited lap trial can be done anytime, while the drivers can still practice as many laps as they can, before they are ready to record their average/total time over x laps, and they have several chances to do so. Anyway I am not pushing this idea to anyone to follow, just sharing my thoughts , if the next GTA have different system similar to limited lap trial, I am glad, but the same method like now is also fine, I'm just in it for the fun of it, not interested on winning, I have my own career already lol.

So the first 20 accounts you use dodgy accounts, I've used Bilbo baggins on comparison sites when I was younger, it really won't make a difference, then when that 21st account comes along you know everything to the MM (To be honest you could do that in 2 accounts but you know if this was the case you'd want to make sure your laps are perfect and very very quick). But as everyone keeps saying the result would be the same maybe with 1 name appearing or another disappearing, the end result are the same guys in a similar position as anything else.

I'm not having a go I'm just saying that if the result is always the same there's no reason to change.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Does this trick happen right now ? I mean do people use this kind of trickery to occupy the leaderboard ?

I do understand what you feel Tidgney about the results being the same, I was having the idea of limited lap because I was wondering if it will allow us to see who could drive to the limit continuously and not posting a quick time out of stroke of luck after countless laps then not able to replicate it again.

 

[VELOCI_2NR]

Another reason this won't happen could be down straight to marketing reasons. Their goal right now is to get the "fastest" drivers in the US on GT5. What better way to show who is "fastest" than with a simple straight-forward, easily visible, one track time trial. At this stage, all they care about is speed.
Then the "fastest" time trialers duke it out with each other in the finals and the top half proceed. This weeds out the lucky ones and the ones who have no idea how to race with a pack or strategize the albeit short 4-lap races. This now gives PD and Nissan both the "fastest drivers" and "fastest racers" on GT5.

They go to silverstone. Till now all they cared about was virtual speed. They want to market to the audience that they have the best virtual drivers in the country, and want to now go from virtual to reality and see what happens.

It's all marketing practices, and I'm fine with it if I get a chance to become a profession racecar driver.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

Does this trick happen right now ? I mean do people use this kind of trickery to occupy the leaderboard ?

I do understand what you feel Tidgney about the results being the same, I was having the idea of limited lap because I was wondering if it will allow us to see who could drive to the limit continuously and not posting a quick time out of stroke of luck after countless laps then not able to replicate it again.

Another reason this won't happen could be down straight to marketing reasons. Their goal right now is to get the "fastest" drivers in the US on GT5. What better way to show who is "fastest" than with a simple straight-forward, easily visible, one track time trial. At this stage, all they care about is speed.
Then the "fastest" time trialers duke it out with each other in the finals and the top half proceed. This weeds out the lucky ones and the ones who have no idea how to race with a pack or strategize the albeit short 4-lap races. This now gives PD and Nissan both the "fastest drivers" and "fastest racers" on GT5.

They go to silverstone. Till now all they cared about was virtual speed. They want to market to the audience that they have the best virtual drivers in the country, and want to now go from virtual to reality and see what happens.

It's all marketing practices, and I'm fine with it if I get a chance to become a profession racecar driver.

Nissan and PD want us to answer a few simple questions in Round 8-5: You may be fast but are you dedicated? Will you keep whittling your time down, day in, day out, or will you post it and forget about it for a day? a week? This process is great for weeding out the fast, but lazy. The fast will get to the top and stay there.

 

[LeftyWright69]

If consistancy was a big deal then it should have been a 2 part contest. Post your fast TT and you could also post your best 5 lap. I don't think that things would be any different in the top players because this track lends it's self to multiple laps runs. I think that my longest consistant run was about 15 laps before I had an issue. If that is rare then it would have helped my overall but I don't think it would change the top guys verry much.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Another reason this won't happen could be down straight to marketing reasons. Their goal right now is to get the "fastest" drivers in the US on GT5. What better way to show who is "fastest" than with a simple straight-forward, easily visible, one track time trial. At this stage, all they care about is speed.
Then the "fastest" time trialers duke it out with each other in the finals and the top half proceed. This weeds out the lucky ones and the ones who have no idea how to race with a pack or strategize the albeit short 4-lap races. This now gives PD and Nissan both the "fastest drivers" and "fastest racers" on GT5.

Agreed 100%. I squeaked my way in last year in the online time trials, but going to Orlando I was more confident in my racing abilities than anything else. I ended up advancing to Silverstone tied for 2nd in points with 3_wide (Chris), mainly because I made two stupid mistakes that cost me valuable points. Doing time trials is one thing, fender to fender racing is another.

 

[Samus]

For most of the time in F1 qualifying has been done over a period of an hour and in various formats, drivers have had the opportunity to do several laps, whether it was an open hour or the split format it is now, they've had plenty of time in the context. However, in 2003 they introduced a 1 lap system. Drivers had one lap to do their lap, that's it, yet guess what? Except for the odd mistake, the fastest cars and drivers were still fastest.

Yes it's a bit different because they had different performing cars unlike GTA, but the premise is the same. Give a fast driver 5 minutes or 5 days, they will still be the fastest.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

In Formula 1, a "faster" car and good setup plays a huge part in qualifying, the fastest driver in one season could perform worse in the next season due to these factors alone, eg Vettel who dominates 2011 poles and wins. In the long term, we could see the consistency of F1 driver over several season while staying at one team, example, Michael Schumacher, he is fast, no doubt about, within a season he might be consistently taking a pole or winning, but over several season, victory and pole are interspersed widely and variably. No one is the fastest in my book, they could be last anytime due to many variables.

Of course F1 can't be compared, most of the teams have different performance in their cars. In GTA, we share the same track and car, all equal, bar the aids usage.
What I was getting at really is even say 1 driver posted the quickest time, what was his/her average lap time during the countless laps taken ? Those lap times would be the real indicator of his/her true ability, the quickest posted was just 1 in many that it would be doubtful it can be done again easily, but then again PD don't care about this, so there's no need to go there .

 

[Spurgy 777]

Ridox, the result would be exactly the same. Those who put the time in would be consistently fast, those who don't will be consistently slow, in fact the ones who put more time in will be more consistent as well as faster.

 

[Samus]

It doesn't matter that the cars change, the fact is for the most part the cars qualified where they should have done. The Ferrari's, McLaren's and William's were consistently at the front and the midfield were in the midfield etc. They were only given one lap but they still got the most out of the car and qualified roughly where they should have, except when some drivers made mistakes.

So yes, the point still stands. Give a fast driver five minutes or five days, they'll still get the most out of the car and perform as they're expected most of the time.

Also, no driver is going for consistency in this contest, they're going for outright speed. So saying they do one top time amongst may other weaker times doesn't mean they'd be no good in a race situation because they're not consistent. Because they're not driving it like a race, they're going all out for the ultimate lap.

In race conditions they would drive differently and still be better than the guy that's doing 1.33s all day in this contest.