I'm finding this to be true as well when racing offline (single player/time trial with grip set to real). It's more noticeable in cars that suffer from understeer. Been running laps and then all of a sudden Lap 7ish comes along and I'm pulling away from the ghost.
Just wanted to say thank you for posting your tunes and sharing your tuning knowledge!! I've been using both your '91 and '02 NSX setups, as well as your Evo VI tune for a couple of weeks now, and they're amazing!!! Your tuning guide was also very helpful. I used it to tweak your tunes slightly for various builds at different PP levels. I also tried your Evo VI tune on an Evo IV, and was really happy with the results.
Your cars are so balanced, responsive, and most of all, fun! I look forward to trying out a few more
Now it´s serious....Refined the Lotus 97T '85 Ayrton Senna tune a bit more tonight. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/page-19#post-9959795 Thanks to @meek for the advice.
I reached my goal of beating @praiano63 's time.
,it was just a cruising lap to take the money. I´ve spent 1 hour to check again this morning. With some adjustments at the gears and rear foil (lower) , i´m now 1:46.709 pos 252nd
Now it´s serious....
Let´s go Hami, back to the track....
WOW,Thank you very much for taking the time to test the Lotus Evora 👍 I can not wait to tryLotus Evora '09
450 PP, 257 hp, 1350 kg
Tuned with G27 with Nixim Brake Pedal Mod
Tuned for the 450 PP Seasonal Events at Tsukuba Circuit.
Tuning and Maintenance
No Oil Change
Front Aero Type A
Installed Parts
Tuned on Comfort Soft Tires and Sport Hard Tires
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable Transmission
Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
Fully Customizable LSD
Weight Reduction Stage 1
Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction
Tune 1.12
RH 92/95
Springs 6.25/8.00
Dampers Compression 4/2
Dampers Extension 5/7
Anti-Roll Bars 3/2
Camber 0.0/0.0
Toe -0.05/+0.10
Brake balance 6/5
LSD 12/12/28
Downforce 0/0
Power Level 92.9%
Ballast 155 kg
Ballast Position -30
Weight Distribution 45:55
Transmission
Final Gear to 4.000
Top Speed to 112 (never change this setting past this point)
1st gear 3.850
2nd gear 2.700
3rd gear 2.080
4th gear 1.710
5th gear 1.465
6th gear 1.295
Final gear 3.750 (adjust this to set top speed at red line on longest straight)
Tuning Notes
My Default Settings:
RH 95/95
Springs 5.00/8.50
Dampers Compression 3/3
Dampers Extension 4/4
Anti-Roll Bars 3/3
Camber 0.0/0.0
Toe 0.00/0.00
Brake balance 5/5
LSD 12/12/12
Downforce 0/0
Power Level 92.9%
Ballast 35 kg
Ballast Position 0
Weight Distribution 41:59
This car has massive entry oversteer and lift off oversteer. You can barely turn the week on corner entry. In chase view I can see lots of body roll. The front dives under braking and the inside rear lifts a lot at turn in. The first priority is to control this rapid body movement and to improve the loose condition at corner entry and mid corner.
Changes:
- LSD Decel to 20 for more controlled entry
- Front springs to 6.50 for less weight transfer to the front under braking and at corner entry
- Damper compression to 4/3 to slow down front dive condition
- Damper extension to 4/6 to slow down the rear raising condition under braking and entry
I thought that this car would be really tough to tame, but with just these few changes, it became a much more fun car to drive. Mid-corner weight transfer is still an issue, followed by a slight loos condition on corner entry.
Changes:
- Rear springs to 8.00
- Damper compression to 4/2 to encourage the rear to load more during mid corner weight transfer
- Damper extension to 4/7 to further slow down the rear raising condition under braking and entry
- ARB to 3/2 for added mid-corner stability
- Toe to 0.0/0.10 to add rear stability
- LSD Decel to 25 for more controlled entry
- Brake balance to 5/4 (for comfort soft tires)
That was a lot of changes at once, but with just ten laps with this car and two big adjustments, this car is much improved. It is turning into a fun little ride. The car still needs help to overcome the mid-corner oversteer issue. I have to calm down the nose of the car a bit.
Changes:
- Ride height to 92/95
- Front camber to 0/5
- Front toe to +0.05
- Ballast to 35 @ -35
More stable, but slower lap times. It is going in the right direction, but is also hurting corner exit a little bit.
Changes:
- Camber back to 0/0
- Ballast to 35 @ -50 weight distribution 42:58
The car is pretty good, but could use more ballast. That adjustment really did help. Need to also address the slight exit understeer that has developed.
Changes:
- Added weight reduction stage 1
- Ballast to 155 @ -30 weight distribution 45:55
- LSD decel to 28 for more controlled corner entry
- Damper extension to 5/7 to hold the nose down longer on exit, less understeer
Now this car handles much more gracefully. Each corner feels like one connected effort. Smooth. There is still a hint of understeer from mid-corner through exit.
Changes:
- Front springs to 6.25 a little softer for more front grip
- Toe to -0.05 to help gain more grip on exit
What a joy to drive now. It does this cool lift off controlled rear slide right down to the corner apex. There is only fine tuning left to do to this car. It is very solid in this state.
Enjoy.
Thank you
Honda HSV-010 GT Base Model '12
600 PP, 566 hp, 1100 kg
Tuned with G27 with Nixim Brake Pedal Mod
Tuned for the 600 PP GT500 Seasonal Event at Laguna Seca.
Tuning and Maintenance
No Oil Change
Installed Parts
Racing Hard Tires
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable LSD
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Low RPM Turbo Kit
Tune 1.12
RH 64/58
Springs 15.00/16.50
Dampers Compression 3/4
Dampers Extension 7/5
Anti-Roll Bars 2/3
Camber 0.0/0.0
Toe -0.12/0.00
Brake balance 6/7
LSD 11/9/5
Downforce 400/600
Power Level 86.6%
Ballast 0 kg
Ballast Position 0
Weight Distribution 50:50
Transmission
Final Gear to 5.500
Top Speed to 149 (never change this setting past this point)
1st gear 3.800
2nd gear 2.590
3rd gear 1.940
4th gear 1.560
5th gear 1.310
6th gear 1.150
Final gear 4.850 (adjust this to set top speed at red line on longest straight)
Tuning Notes
My Default Settings:
RH 60/60
Springs 15.25/16.25
Dampers Compression 3/3
Dampers Extension 4/4
Anti-Roll Bars 3/3
Camber 1.0/0.5
Toe -0.05/+0.05
Brake balance 5/5
LSD 12/12/12
Downforce 300/550
This car is pretty good with my default settings applied. I think that PD spends more time programming the Japanese touring cars. I could see myself working in their programming department and looking for any excuse to spend more time with these cars. I got gold in the seasonal event pretty easily with my default settings. I do hear some rear wheel spin on throttle through corner exit. I cannot pinpoint which tire is doing it.
Change: Sport Hard Tires. Yep, confirmed, outside wheel spin. Change back to Racing Hard Tires and a LSD adjustment then run a bunch of laps.
LSD 12/10/10 This change was a definite improvement. I still hear a very small amount of wheel spin if I am not smooth on the throttle.
Camber to 0/0. I noticed that many of the top time trial tunes @praiano63 and @Weider were using 0/0. I picked up almost two seconds with this change.
At this point I have a pretty fun car to drive. The car needs a little help getting down to the apex on high speed entry. It could also use a touch of stability on exit.
Change LSD to 13/10/7. Higher initial for more stability on exit. Lower decel for more aggressive entry.
Still needs more corner entry to get down to the apex.
Changes:
- Springs to 15.00/16.50
- DC to 3/4
- DE to 5/5
- LSD to 14/10/5. Higher initial for more stability on exit. Lower decel for more aggressive entry.
I seem to be going the wrong way with something in the LSD. The accel and decel changes have produced results. The higher initial has caused a condition of rough transition from locked to unlocked.
Change LSD to 11/10/5. Much better. 1:19.673 lap time.
The car is pretty strong on entry and exit, but now needs more cornering to reduce mid-corner understeer.
Changes:
- RM 60/55
- DE 6/5
- Toe -0.10/0.00
The car is getting really fast now but could use more entry and more exit steering.
Change DE to 7/4. This did not improve the car. Change back to 6/5.
Changes:
- ARB 2/3
- DE 6/5
Good. Slight improvement.
Change down-force to max front 400/550. Big improvement. Lap time down to 1:19.243.
Time to fine tune:
- BB 6/6. Improved braking zone with shorter stopping distance.
- Toe -0.12/0.00. No noticeable difference.
- DE to 7/5. Better front end exit grip.
- Downforce to 400/575. Settled the car down a little on corner exit. I can really lay into the throttle now on exit. Lap time 1:19.074.
- BB 6/7. Improved braking zone with shorter stopping distance.
- LSD to 10/9/5. This cured most of the wheel spin on exit. Lap time 1:18.694 and top 1,000 right now.
- Downforce to 400/600. The car is now smooth all the way through the corner. It is becoming a very consistent car. My only complaint is that the car get a little unsettled over bumps. Maybe ride height is too low?
- RH to 65/60. A more forgiving car with the same lap time. I would call that a win.
- RH to 64/58. What a great car. I am out of time for the night and the car is working very well for me.
Honda HSV-010 GT Base Model '12
600 PP, 566 hp, 1100 kg
Tuned with G27 with Nixim Brake Pedal Mod
Tuned for the 600 PP GT500 Seasonal Event at Laguna Seca.
Tuning and Maintenance
No Oil Change
Installed Parts
Racing Hard Tires
Fully Customizable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable LSD
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Low RPM Turbo Kit
Tune 1.12
RH 64/58
Springs 15.00/16.50
Dampers Compression 3/4
Dampers Extension 7/5
Anti-Roll Bars 2/3
Camber 0.0/0.0
Toe -0.12/0.00
Brake balance 6/7
LSD 11/9/5
Downforce 400/600
Power Level 86.6%
Ballast 0 kg
Ballast Position 0
Weight Distribution 50:50
Transmission
Final Gear to 5.500
Top Speed to 149 (never change this setting past this point)
1st gear 3.800
2nd gear 2.590
3rd gear 1.940
4th gear 1.560
5th gear 1.310
6th gear 1.150
Final gear 4.850 (adjust this to set top speed at red line on longest straight)
Tuning Notes
My Default Settings:
RH 60/60
Springs 15.25/16.25
Dampers Compression 3/3
Dampers Extension 4/4
Anti-Roll Bars 3/3
Camber 1.0/0.5
Toe -0.05/+0.05
Brake balance 5/5
LSD 12/12/12
Downforce 300/550
This car is pretty good with my default settings applied. I think that PD spends more time programming the Japanese touring cars. I could see myself working in their programming department and looking for any excuse to spend more time with these cars. I got gold in the seasonal event pretty easily with my default settings. I do hear some rear wheel spin on throttle through corner exit. I cannot pinpoint which tire is doing it.
Change: Sport Hard Tires. Yep, confirmed, outside wheel spin. Change back to Racing Hard Tires and a LSD adjustment then run a bunch of laps.
LSD 12/10/10 This change was a definite improvement. I still hear a very small amount of wheel spin if I am not smooth on the throttle.
Camber to 0/0. I noticed that many of the top time trial tunes @praiano63 and @Weider were using 0/0. I picked up almost two seconds with this change.
At this point I have a pretty fun car to drive. The car needs a little help getting down to the apex on high speed entry. It could also use a touch of stability on exit.
Change LSD to 13/10/7. Higher initial for more stability on exit. Lower decel for more aggressive entry.
Still needs more corner entry to get down to the apex.
Changes:
- Springs to 15.00/16.50
- DC to 3/4
- DE to 5/5
- LSD to 14/10/5. Higher initial for more stability on exit. Lower decel for more aggressive entry.
I seem to be going the wrong way with something in the LSD. The accel and decel changes have produced results. The higher initial has caused a condition of rough transition from locked to unlocked.
Change LSD to 11/10/5. Much better. 1:19.673 lap time.
The car is pretty strong on entry and exit, but now needs more cornering to reduce mid-corner understeer.
Changes:
- RM 60/55
- DE 6/5
- Toe -0.10/0.00
The car is getting really fast now but could use more entry and more exit steering.
Change DE to 7/4. This did not improve the car. Change back to 6/5.
Changes:
- ARB 2/3
- DE 6/5
Good. Slight improvement.
Change down-force to max front 400/550. Big improvement. Lap time down to 1:19.243.
Time to fine tune:
- BB 6/6. Improved braking zone with shorter stopping distance.
- Toe -0.12/0.00. No noticeable difference.
- DE to 7/5. Better front end exit grip.
- Downforce to 400/575. Settled the car down a little on corner exit. I can really lay into the throttle now on exit. Lap time 1:19.074.
- BB 6/7. Improved braking zone with shorter stopping distance.
- LSD to 10/9/5. This cured most of the wheel spin on exit. Lap time 1:18.694 and top 1,000 right now.
- Downforce to 400/600. The car is now smooth all the way through the corner. It is becoming a very consistent car. My only complaint is that the car get a little unsettled over bumps. Maybe ride height is too low?
- RH to 65/60. A more forgiving car with the same lap time. I would call that a win.
- RH to 64/58. What a great car. I am out of time for the night and the car is working very well for me.
Oh, no need to put it on there if it wasn't already. I was just curious if it was on your list.
I hope you won't mind me posting this here, but it felt the most obvious and appropriate place. I just want to know, Hami, is this a legitimate race tactic? And if so, do you think it's something you might have the opportunity to incorporate into your own racing?
I hope you won't mind me posting this here, but it felt the most obvious and appropriate place. I just want to know, Hami, is this a legitimate race tactic? And if so, do you think it's something you might have the opportunity to incorporate into your own racing?
It never fails to surprise me the presences of mind people have when hurtling around a track. You'll understand why I thought of you when I saw it. Guess I better go and start GT6 up and find myself an MX5 to chuck around
It never fails to surprise me the presences of mind people have when hurtling around a track. You'll understand why I thought of you when I saw it. Guess I better go and start GT6 up and find myself an MX5 to chuck around
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I hope you won't mind me posting this here, but it felt the most obvious and appropriate place. I just want to know, Hami, is this a legitimate race tactic? And if so, do you think it's something you might have the opportunity to incorporate into your own racing?
You should certainly do that. I enjoy watching racing immensely, particularly the close quarters ugly stuff. I'm not all that into open wheel racing (F1/Indy), whilst I appreciate them as apex events within motor racing, I like the blue-collar stuff. I just caught up with the British Touring Cars yesterday, the first race was carnage and hugely enjoyable
