Motorvision Track times

[Poverty]

Latest track times on Motorvision:

Tracktestliste:
Position: Fahrzeug: Zeit:
1. Lotus Exige 240R -18,76
2. Lotus Exige -18,89
3. Mitsubishi Evo VII -18,92
4. BMW M3 CSL -18,94
5. Mitsubishi Evo IX -19,22
6. Wiesman MF3 SMG -19,28
7. Mitsubishi Evo VI -19,35
8. Audi TT Quattro Sport -19,42
9. Porsche 911 GT3 Bj. 2003 -19,49
10. Audi RS4 -19,58
11. BMW Z4 3.0i -19,6
12. Porsche 911 GT3 -19,61
13. Mitsubishi Evo VIII -19,63
14. Audi TT Quattro 225 PS -19,65
14. Subaru Impreza WRX Sti -19,65
16. Lotus Elise 111S -19,69
17. Lotus Elise 111R -19,7
18. Opel Speedster Turbo -19,71
19. Porsche 911 Carrera -19,72
20. Porsche Cayman S -19,73
21. BMW M3 -19,79
22. Porsche Boxster S -19,8
23. BMW M6 -19,81
24. Nissan 350Z -19,82
25. Mazda RX8 -19,84
26. BMW M5 -19,85
27. Audi S4 V8 -19,86
28. Yes Roadster -19,88
29. BMW Z3 3.0 -19,92
30. Smart Brabus Forfun Roadster -19,93
31. BMW 330Cd -19,99
32. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG -20,03
33. Nissan 350Z Roadster -20,05
34. Ford Focus RS -20,06
35. Opel Speedster -20,07
35. Peugeot 206 RC -20,07
37. VW Golf R32 -20,11
38. Audi TT 3.2 V6 -20,13
39. Seat Leon Cupra R -20,14
40. Audi S3 2002 -20,16
41. BMW 130i -20,2
42. Citroen Saxo Cup-Version -20,24
42. Audi S3 -20,24
44. Ford Focus ST 220 PS (2006) -20,25
45. Jaguar S-Type R -20,26
46. Mercedes SLK 350 -20,27
47. Mini Cooper S Works -20,28
47. Opel Astra OPC -20,28
49. VW Golf GTI (2006) -20,29
50. Corvette C6 -20,3
51. Ford Fieste ST -20,31
51. Honda Civic Type-R -20,31
51. Mercedes C320 Sportcoupé -20,31
54. Seat Leon Cupra R 225 PS -20,32
55. Opel Astra GTC Turbo -20,33
55. MG TF 160 -20,33
55. Volvo S60 R -20,33
58. BMW M5 -20,34
58. Ford Focus ST 170 -20,34
58. Ford Mondeo ST 220 -20,34
61. Honda NSX -20,35
62. Renault Clio 2.0 16V -20,39
63. Toyota MR2 -20,45
64. Alfa Romeo 156 GTA -20,47
64. Honda S2000 -20,47
66. Peugeot 206 S16 -20,48
67. Mazda MX5 -20,49
67. Subaru Impreza GT -20,49
69. Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 (Winterr.) -20,5
70. Mercedes SL 55 AMG (2005) -20,52
71. Opel Astra OPC -20,55
71. Audi S6 Avant Automatik -20,55
73. Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 -20,56
74. Mini Cooper S -20,59
74. Chevrolet Corvette C5 -20,59
76. MG ZT -20,6
77. VW Lupo GTI -20,63
78. Toyota Celica 1.8 TS -20,65
79. Citroen Saxo VTS 16V -20,67
80. VW Golf V6 4Motion -20,68
81. Saab 9-3 2.0t Aero -20,69
82. BMW 330i Automatik -20,71
83. Mercedes E55 T AMG (2004) -20,75
84. Seat Ibiza 1.9 TDI -20,76
85. Audi A3 2.0 TDI -20,79
85. Honda Accord Type R -20,79
87. Skoda Octavia RS -20,8
88. Mercedes E55 T AMG (2001) -20,83
89. Hyundai Coupé FX V6 -20,9
90. Skoda Fabia RS -20,91
90. Smart Roadster Coupé -20,91
92. Peugeot 406 Coupé 2.2 -20,96
93. Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 TS -21
94. Renault Megane Die -21,03
95. MG ZR 21,04
96. Volvo V70 T5 Automatik -21,05
96. BMW 323Ci -21,05
98. Opel Vectra GTS -21,09
99. VW Golf TDI 150 PS -21,1
100. Seat Leon 1.8 T -21,11
101. Mercedes CL 55 AMG -21,13
102. Mercedes C 320 Automatik -21,23
103. BMW X5 4.6iS -21,26
104. Fiat Stilo Abarth 2.4 20V -21,28
104. VW Golf V5 4Motion -21,28
106. Mercedes CL 600 -21,3
107. Toyota Corolla TS -21,37
108. Saab 9-5 Aero Kombi -21,48
109. Renault Clio 1.6 16V -21,55
110. Mercedes A 210 -22,05
111. Fiat Bravo HGT -22,22
112. Daihatsu YRV GTI -22,44
113. Smart Fortwo Cabrio Brabus -22,99

I always did say that the audi TT quattro sport was fast:tup:

 

[MistaX]

25. Mazda RX8 -19,84

61. Honda NSX -20,35



This list is crap.

 

[Diego440]

er... what the hell is this?

What track, set-up, place and/or configuration, is it real life, is it computer generated, does it have backup, is it feasible, how about who did the driving?

How the hell does the Fiesta ST get a similar time to the NSX; and the BMW Z4 almost the same time as the Porsche 911 GT3?

Are you high, drunk or both?

 

[ExigeEvan]

69. Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 (Winterr.) -20,5
70. Mercedes SL 55 AMG (2005) -20,52

eh?

 

[Poverty]

lol look at the lap times. You should be able to see that its a short tight track which favours lighter cars. The power monsters dont have time to stretch their legs over the lighter ones. Such cars like the GT3 and NSX excell in higher speed cornering, theres nothin in it when it comes to the slower ones.

 

[ExigeEvan]

lol look at the lap times. You should be able to see that its a short tight track which favours lighter cars.

I always did say that the audi TT quattro sport was fast

So really that should have said 'could handle well at moderate speeds'.

 

[Famine]

er... what the hell is this?

What track, set-up, place and/or configuration, is it real life, is it computer generated, does it have backup, is it feasible, how about who did the driving?

Seconded.

What is "Motorvision"?

 

[Poverty]

Seconded.

What is "Motorvision"?

german topgear. Theres vids of it on youtube I think.

edit there are indeed.

Sample

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtlkNeazzvw

and sabine is the driver so no complaints about the driver being inconsistent either

 

[JCE]

What a load of crap. The TopGear track is much more balanced between straights and corners. Motorvision is just crap.

Oh and...

69. Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 (Winterr.) -20,5
70. Mercedes SL 55 AMG (2005) -20,52

The SRT-6 isn't light...and in real life that AMG would wipe the floor with that POS. I call foul...

 

[Poverty]

that amg is near 2 tonnes.....

twisty tracks wont favour it at all.

 

[MistaX]

There's no reason an RX8 would beat an NSX even on a track like that.

 

[G.T]

That list is really awful... There are so many that are wrong.

How can a Mondeo beat an NSX? In fact, many cars up there like that Saxo are faster than the NSX.

And:

11. BMW Z4 3.0i -19,6
12. Porsche 911 GT3 -19,61



Or maybe we're all missing something...

 

[Diego440]

How can a Mondeo beat an NSX?

The Mondeo is an awesome piece of machinery, I'll tell you that

 

[Max_DC]

Oh no guys, that list is no crap.
It's kind of specific, but it really shows if the car can handle.

But yeah the track is really extreme. The main driver is Tim Schrick, a very talented driver who also participates on the 24h of Nürburgring and who did that Porsche on snow video on the Nürburgring ( there is a thread about it on gtp ).


Ok now let me describe you the track. It has extreme elevation changes and it is really short. You kind of drift the all the time, which is why the AMG sucks at this track. You can't compare it with the airfield track of Top Gear. It is like a go cart track with huge elevation changes, you'll never see the 3rd gear on that course.

Well, see the track of the list above HERE :

M3 CSL (and others ( Evo, Porsche etc ) on that little test track of the list above

 

[Poverty]

the nsx time was probably done in extreme wet conditions. Max_DC to the rescue!!!!!

 

[Diego440]

it's pretty dumb to show car's performances on such a short track and with so very little information... it's like throwing the cars off a plane and measuring their freefall speed, and then documenting it.

 

[Max_DC]

it's pretty dumb to show car's performances on such a short track and with so very little information... it's like throwing the cars off a plane and measuring their freefall speed, and then documenting it.

Sorry that is BS... there is information, but you have to speak German to understand it . It's part of the weekly magazine Motorvision, but it's only a small part, just like the Stig-test on Top Gear.

Of course that is no allround test, they also have that on Motorvsion ( with laptimes of the Hockenheimring for example ), but it really shows what a specific car can do on a track like that. It's not about ultimate raw power, but about balance...


Some other nice videos of Motorvision :

Best of sound 2004 : compilation of drifts and track races without music or commentary
Brabus, Ferrari, BMW, Porsche, Lambo etc

Track test ( on the small track ) of the 2004 Impreza WRX STi

 

[Dave A]

It's far too short a track to gauge anything from the results. It obviousely favours a certain type of car, because the supercars can't do anything on it. Kind of makes any comparisons between an Audi TT Quattro Sport an a 911 GT3 invalid if you ask me. Get a TT Quattro sport time at the ring and then see where it's at, because it will suck ball on that track. Even on TopGears track I can't see it getting under 1'30.

I don't see the point in even bothering to test the cars on such a small track, it's not providing any indication of which car is faster.

 

[Poverty]

Define "faster" though.

 

[Max_DC]

It's far too short a track to gauge anything from the results. It obviousely favours a certain type of car, because the supercars can't do anything on it. Kind of makes any comparisons between an Audi TT Quattro Sport an a 911 GT3 invalid if you ask me. Get a TT Quattro sport time at the ring and then see where it's at, because it will suck ball on that track. Even on TopGears track I can't see it getting under 1'30.

I don't see the point in even bothering to test the cars on such a small track, it's not providing any indication of which car is faster.

Well those cars are certainly fast on small winding roads, those exist in Europe and Japan... this track is imo to a certain degree even more relevant than a big race track. I mean you can't really drive corners with 200 km/h in daily situations, but you can bring a car to the limit below 70 km/h...

Who cares if a Ferrari can beat my STi in Silverstone when I can beat it on the small roads sourrounding my town

 

[Poverty]

Well said max_dc I totally agree. Motorvision gives a better scope for everyday driving situations, like for example on public roads, a evo or scooby will most likely smoke a ferrari or a SL55 for several reasons.

 

[daan]

But why did we need MaxDC to come in and explain what this topic, started by you, was all about?

 

[Diego440]

is the whole track 20 seconds long? How in hell can you determine a car's handling in such a short time?

 

[Dave A]

Define "faster" though.

A car that covers a set distance that features a wide variety and even balance of sections that can be taken at different speeds. Not, oh look a track that consists of two hairpins, who wins the Ferrari Enzo... No, the London Taxi Balck Cab.

 

[Max_DC]

But why did we need MaxDC to come in and explain what this topic, started by you, was all about?

Well I don't watch it every week, but I've seen it many times over the past 10 years whereas poverty probably just found some infos about Motorvision, most of that not even in english...

is the whole track 20 seconds long? How in hell can you determine a car's handling in such a short time?

Watch the video...

And I didn't say that that test track is the ultimate sheme to judge cars, it shows certain abilities of cars.

...it's not that they drive around it once you know, it's about agility... Look at certain race tracks, how many corners are in there ? 12 ? Just like on this course You know what I mean. On the Nurburgring you also look at sector times, you compare how fast was car x or car y on a specific part. So I think this type of testtrack is quite unique, and it shows sides of cars who don't get revealed by a review on a standard race track.

 

[Poverty]

But why did we need MaxDC to come in and explain what this topic, started by you, was all about?

Is it really that complex? A list of cars going around a track....How different is it from any other track lists I have posted before?

 

[Roo]

Someone give them a Radical, it'll probably do it in about 15 seconds

 

[daan]

Is it really that complex? A list of cars going around a track....How different is it from any other track lists I have posted before?

You constantly make threads giving info like road tests & track times without posting your source and we then think that you've made them up.

All you need to do is to give more info in your first post and then there'd be no problems.

As an example, we still don't know where you got this one from

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=89534

It took you until post 6 to say it was a mag, but which one?

As another example, only you and Max seem to know what Motorvision is.

 

[Max_DC]

UPDATE :

Latest track times on Motorvision:

Tracktestliste:
Position: Fahrzeug: Zeit:

NEW NO. 1 : 2006/07 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STi - 18,59

 

[Diego440]

Another copy/paste post with absurd times and no contact with reality, where an Audi TT is faster than a Porsche 911 GT3... and where a Focus is faster than a Merc SL55 AMG... puh-leeze!