MSN 1.5hr Manufacturer's Endurance Race Series

[Cold Warrior]

That's not true. I struggled with front tire wear at both Alsace and Kyoto. Plus it's a Lamborghini. Fuel mileage is not great.

 

[Rinsky]

That's not true. I struggled with front tire wear at both Alsace and Kyoto. Plus it's a Lamborghini. Fuel mileage is not great.

Front tire wear seems to be an issue on all the Gr.4 cars. My Porsche eats fronts faster than the rear tires also even tho its RWD. I know @Racer283 has said the same thing about his Viper as well.

 

[Cold Warrior]

Well the long flat turns at Kyoto wouldn't be great on anyone's fronts tires. Did your fronts tire wear faster at Alsace too?

 

[Rinsky]

Well the long flat turns at Kyoto wouldn't be great on anyone's fronts tires. Did your fronts tire wear faster at Alsace too?

Yes. They have at every track I've had tire wear on even at la sarthe in open lobbies.
I like to run heavy front brake bias. My car respond well to Trail Braking but in any race that has tire wear on I now have to set it to more rear brake bias or my front tires will be shot in just a few laps.

 

[Venster]

Something that PD haven’t got quite right with tyre wear, there are couple cars that are easier on tyres but the general rule seems to be GR4 munch through front tyres and GR3 on rears. Even at Interlagos front tyres were coming down which I would class more of a traction track so rears would suffer more on anything but an FF car.

As for reverse grid, I’m only throwing out some ideas to make it more competitive, I certainly wouldn’t be pushing people out of the way! But it’s @Rinsky series so it’s up to him to decide the rules, only trying to help if I can.

 

[Cold Warrior]

This seem like something PDI needs to work on then. RINSKY's Porsche is a MR. You would think being RWD and having the engine back there would give him the problem of his rear tires wearing faster. Now the Viper might be situational because of big heavy engine in the front of the car.

 

[RoadRageDudez]

What’s the next circuit for the July 7th event?

 

[Infineon]

What’s the next circuit for the July 7th event?

You finished 4th place in your last race with us at Alsace. Only those who finished 1 lap down or more, and new to our league since our last race, qualify for next track info.

 

[Infineon]

You finished 4th place in your last race with us at Alsace. Only those who finished 1 lap down or more, and new to our league since our last race, qualify for next track info.

@RoadRageDudez please consider this a compliment. There are a few of us who have yet to finish on the lead lap all the races we've had so far

 

[Rinsky]

What’s the next circuit for the July 7th event?

You finished 4th place in your last race with us at Alsace. Only those who finished 1 lap down or more, and new to our league since our last race, qualify for next track info.

Exactly. We do this to try and bring the competition closer together. It's actually been working very well so far.
Not even myself knows the next location as I finished 3rd last race. So I gave @Infineon the honors of picking the July 7th location.

 

[Cold Warrior]

More people have finished on the lead lap these last 2 races because each track was longer than that of the previous race. A longer track means it will take the leaders more time to catch the slower drivers. The next track is the first to be shorter than previous track. And much shorter by lap times. I believe more will first a lap down.

 

[Cold Warrior]

Oh, did tatjana001 change her car?

 

[Rinsky]

More people have finished on the lead lap these last 2 races because each track was longer than that of the previous race. A longer track means it will take the leaders more time to catch the slower drivers. The next track is the first to be shorter than previous track. And much shorter by lap times. I believe more will first a lap down.

First race was 6 people a lap or more down.
Second race was 5 people a lap or more down.
3rd race was 5 people a lap or more down. Really more than that if I count in DC from the server.

It's not always the same people either.

Our last race everyone could and did run 2:30 to 2:31 lap times for most of the race. Those who stayed consistent and mistake free for the most part stayed on the lead lap. So speed and being fast really had nothing to do with it. Being consistent did. Practice practice practice.

Also all tracks have been somewhere between 2 or 2.5 lap times so far. With the last two track being very close in the same length.

No she did not change cars.

 

[Cold Warrior]

What are you talking? All of the tracks have been to so far were over 2.5 miles. Interlagos 2.68 miles, Alsace 3.37 miles, and Kyoto Y + M 4.25 miles. In comparison lap times at Interlagos were around 1:42 vs Kyoto Y + M with lap times of around 2:30. Someone who is 1:42 or more behind the leader at Interlagos is a lap down or about to be lap down. Someone who is 1:42 behind the leader at Kyoto Y + M is still on the lead lap with a 48 sec cushion in front of the leader.
I other words it's not a reliable system. Because the shorter the lap. The more cars will go a lap down.

 

[Rinsky]

I meant 2 or 2.5 lap times so far. The miles was a typo but anyway that's not important.

The fact you think

I other words it's not a reliable system. Because the shorter the lap. The more cars will go a lap down.

Is astounding.

This system is not some magical formula that will automatically make anyone faster than our leaders. That was never the intention or promised. It's purpose was to make things more competitive in general.
So the leaders will be more competitive amongst each other and less skilled racers will be more competitive amongst themselves and puts everyone on a more even playing field. With the chance of less skilled members having the opportunity to get a better finish than maybe they normally would.

It's already been said by everyone of our faster members that it made a different to them and they really like not knowing the next location. It adds another level of difficulty that doesn't exist in any other event they run in and that it has made the race more competitive for them.
So to think that everyone who gets the next track location will not have an advantage over the ones who don't is absolutely crazy. They might not beat the leaders and they still might finish a lap down but they will definitely do better in the race because of the way this is setup.

Your going to get what you put into it and if you feel it's a waste of time and makes no difference and put very little effort into using the practice time that not everyone gets then you should not expect the outcome to change for you.

 

[Infineon]

Alright guys. Both both of ya have explained each other's disagreements, opinions to each other, and so far none of it has been any useful info to the rest of us because I feel it has turned into an arguement. PLEASE take it to a private conversation. And be warned, your talking to deaf ears if you challenge me when I show "tough love" to you guys. Because someone has to do it. Even to my best friend of 26 years and lobby host. Just so you all know I don't pick sides.

 

[Cold Warrior]

I'm not saying I expect a magical formula. I stating the results are too inclusive to prove that it's. Yes more players did finish on the lead lap for the last 2 races but, both tracks were longer than the last track in both length and lap times. So more players were going to finish on the lead lap regardless. If you take Kyoto's race results with Interlagos lap times. Everyone from 4th on down would be a lap down at Interlagos. If Kyoto was at the Nurburgring 24h. Nobody still running would a lap down.
There for how about set a more specific time limit?

 

[Rinsky]

Well everyone I quess my time has come to say goodbye to this event.
I started this endurance series as a way to have fun because it was something different that currently was not going on anywhere else.
It seemed as I wasn't the only one who shared this thought as others signed up and joined in for some nice size turnouts for the first, second & third race.
I had alot to learn running an event of this length and it did not come without a few bumps along the way but it seemed everything was starting to run smoothly.

But something changed and all of a sudden I'm getting challenged at every decision I've made or make by 2 or 3 different people and now another one who says my information has not been useful to anyone eles.
So I guess I'm doing something very wrong here and it's come to the point this is not fun for me anymore and looks like it's not fun for others as well.. You would think if those people didn't enjoy the way I ran things they just wouldn't race in the events but that's not the case.

I already have a full-time job with odd hours a wife and 10 month old daughter at home and a baby boy on the way. I play GTS for fun and it's a good stress reliever up until now.

I really put a lot of time and effort into this league but I can accept my failure at this attempt. My pride will be hurt for awhile but I'm glad I took the chance gave it try. So now should one of you decide to keep the endurance races going with your own rules of how you think it should be then you will need to start your own thread that you can maintain as this one is now closed because Im the only one who can update it.

I want to think everyone again who turned out to race. I've meet some really good people on here and hopefully we will race again someday.

Take care everyone.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Dude just forget them. Kick them out if you have to. Others will come.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Well, that's pretty sad to see the series end early
I think @Rinsky did nothing wrong- it's his thread and even though he has all the right to do whatever he wants to thos endurance series, he is adding the rules after much thought and consideration for the rest of the players here. He knows that in these unranked race series, there will always be a split between the faster and the slower drivers. And so instead of forcing them to try and race with each other, he made a new system (proposed by Venster) to keep the racing close to at least those who have similar skill levels. Although I only raced once in this series, it deeply saddens me to have this end because some people cannot find the merit in this system.

Thanks for the races bud, and I hope to see/race with you all again in the next opportunity

 

[steviea712]

I think that as this is more of a ‘casual’ series and not a league based one, using a lap to judge who gets to know the track doesn’t make much difference, be it at brands hatch Indy or the ‘ring.

Will be sad to see this end if that’s the case, if you don’t like the rules then don’t enter...?

 

[Cold Warrior]

Wow! Your closing your league over a stupid disagreement / argument. That's seems pretty extreme.

 

[Venster]

I also don’t want to see this series end! The rules put in place were perfect along with the organisation, you wouldn’t get full lobby’s like we’ve had if the series hadn’t been run well. Speaking for myself, I was enjoying these as there is not many series like this and provided great entertainment!

The most important thing about this was that nobody was judging anyone else, we were all just like minded drivers having an enjoyable race, regardless of our finish position and we all got to learn something along the way. I hate the term slower and faster drivers, but purpose of the lap down rule was to help the guys get practice and feel more confident in the race that needed it, this was working.

I hope that @Rinsky changes his mind, as I want to see this series continue. As others have said if people don’t like the rules don’t race!

 

[Cold Warrior]

I understand way the rule is in place as an equaliser. I just think it needs to be improved.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Again, it's not your series so if you don't like it just leave.

 

[Cold Warrior]

You know it was okay for everyone else was allowed to bark their opinion to try to improve the series. But, someone can't handle criticism things go south. Now everyone hates me and I the outcast. This is way I hate social media and didn't want to join this site to begin with. So guess I'm out good bye.

 

[DesertPenguin]

What the hell does social media have to do with this? That's Facebook, Twitter, etc. We're just a forum so I don't think we're under that umbrella. But if you have your own reasons for leaving then so be it.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

@Cold Warrior and @DesertPenguin you two are meant for each other, you both have zero understanding of social cues and rub a lot of people the wrong way, mostly unintentionally. You just need to learn when to hold em and when to fold em (mostly the latter) when it comes to your opinions with the people running the races.

 

[fastone371]

delete

 

[fastone371]

I really hope Mr. Rlnsky is not ending this wonderful series over a couple of members whinning over nothing. That would be extremely unfortunate. I guess its just like grade school, I remember my grade school teacher saying "you are going to ruin it for everyone", thank guys, it sounds like you may have ruined it for everyone


Cmon Mr. Rlnsky, you're not really ending this series are you? You have a great thing going here!!!