Multiculturalism
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Multiculturalism?
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No I didn't, I stated how Vietnamese who live here nicely blend into majority society (with connection to topic of the thread) ...
... yes, and it also make innuendos on followers of islam who are not exactly known to be trouble free.
I wouldn't call it racism, cautious behaviour based on the previous experience is only natural.
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One of the problems we have here is the teacher unions. I don't mean that in that they create problems with their opinions (totally different topic), but that they get involved politically and have teachers join them for rallies or demonstrations. In order to be seen by the relevant politicians they need to be there before 4:30 or 5:00. I remember teachers who had their signs behind their desks in school. You could clearly see them. And it would be anything from a candidate sign to a slogan on an issue or even a statement on an upcoming bill.
They weren't spewing their views in class (some did, but different topic), they just had their supplies for an after-work event.
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I acknowledge that... but therein lies the problem. You live far away from Vietnam, and the Vietnamese you actually do get over there are the more gregarious ones. The ones who have the desire (and money) to travel over there.[/quote]
There's being cautious and there's being intolerant. Just because a business deal with a Chinese businessman goes sour, does that mean refusing to work with anyone with Chinese blood? This also works in reverse... do you assume that all Vietnamese are trustworthy because the ones you know are? I know a lot of good people who got burned simply for assuming stereotypes always hold true.
Basing your trust or mistrust of a person simply because of their race, religion or nationality is a good way to either miss out on good opportunities or get burned, big time. And that's talking from experience.
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This doesn't justify their behaviour when their only goal is to exploit western welfare as much as possible and don't even try to integrate with society, because they couldn't care less. Nor juftify politicians hypocrisy when they try to use the "racist" call as a last resort when their scam is being exposed and they have nothing else to say. I'm not racist but not even stupid to being fooled forever with their fraudulently manipulated idea of "multiculturalism".
"You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can't fool all the people all the time."
Bob Marley, Peter Tosh - Get Up, Stand Up.
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How do you know that's the only goal... or that living perpetually on the dole is what these people desire? Looking at statistics for places like the UK, for example, doesn't show an over-representation of jobless Middle-Eastern immigrants on welfare:
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN06955.pdf
In fact, at an estimated 4-5% of the population, they're slightly under-represented there, versus nationals.
But if you have statistics for elsewhere, that would be nice.
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This is not to say that Islam is the most open or the most tolerant of religions, mind you... or that they're as open to mingling as, say, East Asians are... but I personally wouldn't pretend to know exactly how they think or feel.
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN06955.pdf
In fact, at an estimated 4-5% of the population, they're slightly under-represented there, versus nationals.
But if you have statistics for elsewhere, that would be nice.
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This is not to say that Islam is the most open or the most tolerant of religions, mind you... or that they're as open to mingling as, say, East Asians are... but I personally wouldn't pretend to know exactly how they think or feel.
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Okay, time for you two furriners to battle this out and tell me whether this video is bullcrap or not.
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What strikes me is that some people seem to think that multiculturalism is in play only when there are different races/ethnicities and/or religions co-existing.
I remember when there was a hard rock / glam rock venue on one side of the street and a thrash / death metal venue on the other. The glamsters parted their hair on the side and would flick it back as they got into their music, while the thrashers would part theirs in the middle and heave it forward when they got into theirs. This kind of deal was replicated in many places around the world. The thrashers had their culture, and the glamsters had theirs. Cultural difference was not split based on ethnicity or religion. The person half way across the world that sent you the Morbid Angel demo tape was your kindred spirit, and the guy across the street that looked like Samantha Fox was an alien.
I wonder how many people who rile against multiculturalism do it properly and comprehensively. If multiculturalism doesn't work, then very few societies should be able to work, including the homogeneous ones.
Anyway, I'm no bigot. I now have lots of friends that listen to Faster Pussycat.
I remember when there was a hard rock / glam rock venue on one side of the street and a thrash / death metal venue on the other. The glamsters parted their hair on the side and would flick it back as they got into their music, while the thrashers would part theirs in the middle and heave it forward when they got into theirs. This kind of deal was replicated in many places around the world. The thrashers had their culture, and the glamsters had theirs. Cultural difference was not split based on ethnicity or religion. The person half way across the world that sent you the Morbid Angel demo tape was your kindred spirit, and the guy across the street that looked like Samantha Fox was an alien.
I wonder how many people who rile against multiculturalism do it properly and comprehensively. If multiculturalism doesn't work, then very few societies should be able to work, including the homogeneous ones.
Anyway, I'm no bigot. I now have lots of friends that listen to Faster Pussycat.
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Right, but the result is the same. Vietnamese who live here are basically trouble free, they don't come here and demand dog farms so they can eat their traditional dishes. I don't really care if Vietnamese in general hate Chinese or whatever race, what matters to me is how they behave here.
I don't know what to say, being cautious is exactly what it means and can save your ass.
e.g. I have very bad experience with gypsys, they tried to rob me twice on the street, but they were also dumb so they didn't succeed. As a result I'm very cautious when I see pack of gypsys larger than two, does that make me intolerant or racist?
two more for your enjoyment...
... conversation between Sargon of Akkad and this guy
... The land of Rape and Progressiveness
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Ergo... you don't care about racism if it doesn't affect you?
If you're cautious of males of a certain age, ethnic type and socio-economic standing because they fit the profile of pickpockets, probably not.
If you avoid all Romas regardless of age, gender or behaviour, then yes, that's probably racist.
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and why should I be interested in racism which doesn't affect me? Should I tell Vietnamese how to behave in their own country and when I'm at it should I also tell them that communism is bad? What about little democracy export in the US style, last time it didn't work out maybe now it will be better. Racism is generally bad, but you don't poke into matters of other states which have nothing to do with you.
I was very specific, when I used the word pack. I don't know if you have any experience with gypsies but they are ok if you are 1-on-1, but in larger group they act like animals and you can quickly find yourself in what we call "gypsy fair fight" over your money or simply because you are gadjo.
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That's really the US way? I must have missed that memo.
That's absolutely 100% true of all Romany, I can tell because you said so. Although... the behaviour you describe isn't, in my experience, limited (or unique) to groups of Romany men in dodgy areas late at night.
The word "gadjo" is interesting, ITs here use "goja", "gauja" or "gorger" to denote none ITs. There might be a fascinating shared root there, no?
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So, you don't care if people are mistreated if you are not involved, then? That's the question. The question is not if you think your government should interfere with other governments, or if you should take up arms and join the Foreign Legion... it's whether you care that prejudice exists elsewhere.
Or, let's put it this way: Do you think it's right for anyone to be pre-judged due to something they have not done?
I have experience with vagrants and vagabonds and street gangs, as well as Muslim and non-Muslim gangs and thugs. As @TenEightyOne notes, that kind of behaviour is not limited to Romany men.
As I've said elsewhere, Filipinos are supposed to be the most open, most friendly and most honest people, according to foreign surveys. And that holds true for many. Yet I've been pick-pocketed several times, assaulted with a pipe once, almost-assaulted by drunk vagabonds two or three times, have witnessed shootings, stabbings and the like, have been picked on for my mixed heritage, and have seen some very racist attitudes towards my foreign relatives and guests over the years.
Cultural stereotypes are never 100% accurate. If you avoid Romani gangs because they are Romani gangs and not because they are Romani gangs... then, again... that's not racist. But if it's the other way around... it might be.
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Sure it's not right, but my point was ... if I care so much I should do something about it. Having circle jerk on the internet with other SJW's is not exactly what I call action. And in the case of Vietnam, there is exactly nothing I can do about their prejudice towards Chinese.
We don't have any other street gangs here, but I envy your experience when it comes to violence on the streets. /s
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So is swedish justice doing his job while a rape case heppen?
Is it true that raping is increased in the last years?
Since you live there you could explain the truth to all of us.
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circle jerk
1.) When a group of males sit in a circle, jerking each other off.
But in context maybe this one is better...............
3.) When a bunch of blowhards - usually politicians - get together for a debate but usually end up agreeing with each other's viewpoints to the point of redundancy, stroking each other's egos as if they were extensions of their genitals (ergo, the mastubatory insinuation). Basically, it's what happens when the choir preaches to itself.
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First time I'm hearing that right-wingers created a no-go zone somewhere. We sure don't have any of those around here. Folks in our "Dolenjska" region are very hospitable.
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Just came across this from ten years ago: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111448311657516833
Those durn black rednecks.
Sowell is great.
Those durn black rednecks.
Sowell is great.
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Interesting... sort of ties in with other stuff I've read on the persistent achievement gap by black students... where... basically... once cultural influences began to take hold... black students started to diverge from white students in terms of testing scores... because of the weight of cultural expectations.
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Also, the Jews... too true... it's the same kind of prejudice seen against the Chinese here... who've acquired wealth through decades of hard work and sacrifice (though some of their descendants don't seem to have absorbed this culture... instead, focusing more on materialism and the appearance of wealth than on the sacrifices required to attain it).
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Also, the Jews... too true... it's the same kind of prejudice seen against the Chinese here... who've acquired wealth through decades of hard work and sacrifice (though some of their descendants don't seem to have absorbed this culture... instead, focusing more on materialism and the appearance of wealth than on the sacrifices required to attain it).
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I remember reading a phrase from a black journalist about being told as a kid that he had to "work twice as hard to be seen as half as good" as a white person. I just wonder how prevalent that attitude is in black households in the US.
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