Muscle Car Garage - Tuner Garage Challenge Series 3.0 Entries #1 & #2

[Adamgp]

Welcome to my tune shop. I've been toying with the idea of starting up my own garage for a while now but never really had the time until now, so here it is.

I guess you could tell from the name what type of cars I will mainly be focusing on, American muscle/sports cars. I like all sorts of cars so I will tune cars from other countries as well. My tuning style is different from other shops here for a few reasons:

A. I try very hard to build up my cars without the use of a wing, although I will probably use them on some fwd's.
2. I tune all my (road) cars using sports (S3) tires.
c. I try to tune all my cars without driving aids. (no TCS or ASM)

I built these cars to my liking, and to fit my driving style. I'll admit they aren't going to be for everyone but I think there are some out there who will like them.

Most of my tuning work is done at Deep Forest and Midfield, but I sometimes go to Grand Valley, Trial Mountain, El Capitan, and every car I build takes at least 1 lap around the Nurburgring.

Ford Mustang GT '05:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2999609&postcount=2
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3000846&postcount=23
Dodge Viper GTS '99:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3000846&postcount=23
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '96:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3000846&postcount=23
Honda NSX Type S '01:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3002949&postcount=32
BMW M Coupe '98:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3010436&postcount=37
Audi S3 '02:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3010437&postcount=38
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3010437&postcount=38
Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO '64:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3010461&postcount=40
Mercury Cougar XR-7 '67:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3010470&postcount=41
Dodge Charger 440 R/T '70:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3020412&postcount=63
Plymouth Superbird '70:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3020414&postcount=64
Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 HEMI '71:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3020425&postcount=65
Plymouth 'Cuda 440 Six Pack '71:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3020440&postcount=66
Enola Gay (Dodge Viper SRT-10 '03):
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3039868&postcount=96
Dodge Ram 1500 HEMI Quad Cab '04:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3044330&postcount=102
Ford SVT F-150 Lightning '03:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3044335&postcount=103
DMC DeLorean S2 '04:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3055459&postcount=109
Shelby Cobra 427 '67:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3068971&postcount=110
Jensen Interceptor MK III '74:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3076232&postcount=111
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 '69:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3078647&postcount=112
Shelby Mustang GT350R '65:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3078649&postcount=113
Chevrolet Chevelle 454 SS '70:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3078653&postcount=114
Meteor (NSX-R Prototype LeMans Road Car):
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3027941&postcount=81

Hope you enjoy my cars!

 

[Adamgp]

P-51
Ford Mustag GT '05

1301kg
530hp
594ft/lbs


Buy These Parts
Oil Change
Race Exhaust
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Racing Chip
Supercharger
Port & Polish
Engine Balancing
FC Suspension
FC Transmission
Triple Plate Clutch
Race Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
Weight Reduction 3
S3 Tires
Rigidity Rrefresh (if needed)
Rims (if wanted)

Suspension
Spring Rate: 5.5 / 9.0
Ride Height: 88 / 88
Bound: 8 / 4
Rebound: 8 / 4
Camber: 2.0 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 1 / 5

Brake Controller
Brakes: 5 / 15

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.999
2nd: 2.030
3rd: 1.555
4th: 1.269
5th: 1.060
6th: .870
Final Gear: 2.930

Autoset: 17

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 5
Acceleration: 60
Deceleration: 5


This is the first car I bought in GT4, which was some time ago. I found it buried way back in my garage and decided to dust it off and see what I could do with it. Hope you like it.

Please give your opinions.

 

[shoman]

welcome to the tuning world. good luck your going to need it.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I like the cut of your jive Adamgp, expect some competition from me on Muscle Cars as I just entered into that area as I believe you may know.

 

[Adamgp]

I like the cut of your jive Adamgp, expect some competition from me on Muscle Cars as I just entered into that area as I believe you may know.

I know very well you'll probably end up being the one to beat, thats why I went and checked out the competition before I opened up shop.

welcome to the tuning world. good luck your going to need it.

Thanks, and I may have a Taurus SHO that can rival yours.

Expect one, maybe two more cars by the end of the day. I'll probably add a little more to post 1 today also, as I ran short of time last night.

In the meantime, test drive my Mustang and tell me what you think.

 

[Greycap]

I can't help noticing certain things here. I sure hope I'm seeing things but I'm afraid that's not the case. Please do tell me that it's a pure coincidence that you're using the MFT setup sheet complete with all the following details:

• The very same section headers (we used "parts to buy" earlier)
• The 100% identical style of actual settings, complete with the spaces next to the dividers
• The 100% identical gearbox section, especially the following sentence

Note: First, reset the gearbox to the default settings, then set the Auto setting, and only then set the gear ratios.

It's such a structural monster that I doubt you've come up with it (and even the extra row between Final Gear and Auto Setting that is there seemingly just for nothing) all by yourself. Especially when I thought it up with Dark Elite and have used it from July 7th 2007 as seen below.

Note: First, reset the gearbox to the default settings, then set the Auto setting, and only then set the gear ratios.

If it's all a big coincidence I apologize but to be honest I'd like an explanation as I don't believe it.

I hope you understand my point, it took a lot of time and work to perfect those lists and I really don't like them being copied without telling me. I understand that this is a thing that can't be done in too many ways but this far the others have managed well. Being copied tells of success and should be seen as a honour, I know, but I still don't quite like it.

Don't think of this as a hostile response. This is just a polite question compared to what I can do - and have done. 👍

 

[Adamgp]

I did copy the MFT setup sheet (minus your settings), simply because I'm too lazy to type out the whole thing. I didn't know the way you formatted your setup sheet was some sort of proprietary document, for that I apologize. I can reformat it if it is that big of an issue.

I don't get your second issue, are you acusing me of copying the gear ratios from your shop or the explanation of how to set the ratios?

Again, I apologize. I didn't know it was a huge deal.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Geez Grey, AT is pretty similar too, that kind of gear explaination is mandatory really.

 

[Greycap]

It's not a huge deal, admitting it does a lot of good. The last time I caught a guy from copying (just about everything minus the actual settings was word to word from us) I never got a reply and he pretty much disappeared after all the flak he received as the result. We've dealt with it here, feel free to go on. 👍

The second issue was the exact sentence. Actually, I'll explain a bit more to shed some light on the subject. It's word to word copying without telling me that I don't like, everything else goes. As I said these things can't be done or said in too many ways but originality is always a good thing. There are even things I might change in our own sheet but I don't know if the impact would be all positive. Make your own decisions at certain points, in the end it'll probably be a better idea as one formula doesn't fit all. Naturally I can't copyright anything I've written here but I still consider it my own work with rights to it and make a note of directly copying it as you've experienced. Use my ideas, I'll say nothing. Use my work, I'll certainly say something.

 

[shoman]

I know very well you'll probably end up being the one to beat, thats why I went and checked out the competition before I opened up shop.



Thanks, and I may have a Taurus SHO that can rival yours.

Expect one, maybe two more cars by the end of the day. I'll probably add a little more to post 1 today also, as I ran short of time last night.

In the meantime, test drive my Mustang and tell me what you think.

drop one let's see what you come up with. just remember my sho is full weight:tup:

 

[Adamgp]

It's not a huge deal, admitting it does a lot of good. The last time I caught a guy from copying (just about everything minus the actual settings was word to word from us) I never got a reply and he pretty much disappeared after all the flak he received as the result. We've dealt with it here, feel free to go on. 👍

The second issue was the exact sentence. Actually, I'll explain a bit more to shed some light on the subject. It's word to word copying without telling me that I don't like, everything else goes. As I said these things can't be done or said in too many ways but originality is always a good thing. There are even things I might change in our own sheet but I don't know if the impact would be all positive. Make your own decisions at certain points, in the end it'll probably be a better idea as one formula doesn't fit all. Naturally I can't copyright anything I've written here but I still consider it my own work with rights to it and make a note of directly copying it as you've experienced. Use my ideas, I'll say nothing. Use my work, I'll certainly say something.

I reworded the sentence and changed it around. Honestly, I think this whole thing is comical.

Factual information such as instructions/directions cannot be copyrighted, therefore are considered public domain. You seem to think of that sentence as a piece of literary work, which can be copyrighted.

drop one let's see what you come up with. just remember my sho is full weight

Mine has full weight reduction. I can post that one or build another without weight reduction.

 

[shoman]

I reworded the sentence and changed it around. Honestly, I think this whole thing is comical.

Factual information such as instructions/directions cannot be copyrighted, therefore are considered public domain. You seem to think of that sentence as a piece of literary work, which can be copyrighted.



Mine has full weight reduction. I can post that one or build another without weight reduction.

I just happen to have a stock black one sitting around doing nothing at all. I will build a stipper lay down a time and I will try to get it.

 

[Adamgp]

I just happen to have a stock black one sitting around doing nothing at all. I will build a stipper lay down a time and I will try to get it.

What track?

 

[shoman]

What track?

name it?

 

[Adamgp]

How about Tsukuba? Looks like thats where you tuned yours.

 

[shoman]

Noooooo Problem

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Ahh, young rivalry I foresee many challenges between you 2 to come now.

 

[shoman]

Ahh, young rivalry I foresee many challenges between you 2 to come now.

just for this I'm building a whole diferent sho for this. This new one is going to be meaner than the last one. mark my words on this one. I'm shooting '54.xxx I will start working on it after work tonight.

 

[Adamgp]

Noooooo Problem

I'll see what I can do with it today, it may have to wait until tomorrow. I got a '00 Camaro I'm working on that I want to finish up today.

 

[shoman]

I'll see what I can do with it today, it may have to wait until tomorrow. I got a '00 Camaro I'm working on that I want to finish up today.

take your time I want your best:tup:

 

[Spec M]

I like the cut of your jive Adamgp, expect some competition from me on Muscle Cars as I just entered into that area as I believe you may know.

That makes 2, hence the previous pics of the 69 Charger and Chevelle flying through the air on Seattle.

 

[mafia_boy]

Rather than take up your challenge in a tuner shop, how about discussing it in the Spot Race discussion thread?? Just click the link in my signature then continue this debate from there.

Tuner Garages are supposed to be about the cars.

 

[Adamgp]

Chevrolet Camaro SS '00

1294kg
546hp
621ft/lbs


Buy These Parts
Oil Change
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Racing Chip
Supercharger
Port & Polish
Engine Balancing
Race Suspension
FC Transmission
Triple Plate Clutch
Race Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
Weight Reduction 3
S3 Tires
Rigidity Increase (rollcage)
Rigidity Rrefresh (if needed)
Rims (if wanted)

Suspension
Spring Rate: 5.0 / 10.0
Ride Height: 85 / 85
Bound: 8 / 4
Rebound: 8 / 4
Camber: 1.5 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 1 / 6

Brake Controller
Brakes: 5 / 24

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.506
2nd: 1.730
3rd: 1.369
4th: 1.088
5th: 0.881
6th: 0.721
Final Gear: 3.420

Autoset: 16

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 5
Acceleration: 30
Deceleration: 5

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Hmm, if I ever get the time I'll come by your garage and check things out. Maybe drive a car.

 

[Adamgp]

Please do! 👍

I hope to have a Viper done by the end of the day today.

 

[Adamgp]

Dodge Viper GTS '99

1302kg
596hp
626ft/lbs


Buy These Parts
Oil Change
Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
Racing Chip
NA Tuning Stage 1
Race Suspension
FC Transmission
Triple Plate Clutch
Race Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
Weight Reduction 3
S3 Tires
Rigidity Increase (rollcage)
Rigidity Rrefresh (if needed)
Rims (if wanted)

Suspension
Spring Rate: 4.0 / 7.0
Ride Height: 91 / 91
Bound: 9 / 3
Rebound: 9 / 3
Camber: 1.5 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 1 / 4

Brake Controller
Brakes: 4 / 20

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.879
2nd: 1.994
3rd: 1.452
4th: 1.139
5th: 0.960
6th: 0.835
Final Gear: 2.997

Autoset: 12

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 5
Acceleration: 40
Deceleration: 5

This car was tricky to tune, it either understeered moderately or had (violent at times) oversteer. I tried to find a fine line between the two, and I think I came pretty close to finding that line. This car is by far my fastest yet and takes some skill to drive.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Muscle cars are nearly always finding the line, it's good when a tuner recognises that and believes he has found it.👍

 

[Adamgp]

I atleast found a good balance to fit my driving style, which is driving every lap like a qualifying lap. I also follow the Mario Andretti saying "If everything is perfectly under control, your not going fast enough"

No reviews yet? Seems American cars aren't the rage here. This week I'll work on some furiegn cars to get people in here.

I think I got an NSX that I made last night thats ready to go, perhaps a 3000GT too.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Uh oh, American cars are all I'm doing for a long time GT5 has taken so many customers, myself included at times

 

[Adamgp]

I wish I could get a PS3 and GT5P but saving up to move out and get my own apartment is more important to me. I'd rather wait for the full version of GT5 anyway.

Until then I'm happy with my PS2 and GT4.