Muscle Car Garage - Tuner Garage Challenge Series 3.0 Entries #1 & #2

[Adamgp]

Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '96

1419kg
522hp
525ft/lbs

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Suspension
Spring Rate: 4.4 / 9.0
Ride Height: 101 / 101
Bound: 8 / 3
Rebound: 8 / 3
Camber: 2.0 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 1 / 6

Brake Controller
Brakes: 3 / 16

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.371
2nd: 1.587
3rd: 1.154
4th: 0.888
5th: 0.753
6th: 0.653
Final Gear: 4.100

Autoset: 17

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

*OPTIONAL* LSD F / R
Initial: 5/5
Acceleration: 5/20
Deceleration: 5/10

VCD: 10

 

[Adamgp]

Honda NSX Type S '01

1122kg
485hp
366ft/lbs

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Suspension
Spring Rate: 10.0 / 9.5
Ride Height: 87 / 87
Bound: 7 / 8
Rebound: 7 / 8
Camber: 1.0 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 1 / 3

Brake Controller
Brakes: 8 / 17

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 3.092
2nd: 2.272
3rd: 1.605
4th: 1.283
5th: 1.053
6th: 0.898
Final Gear: 3.881

Autoset: 12

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 5
Acceleration: 40
Deceleration: 10

When thinking of what car to build next, I figured why not a Honda NSX. Its often referred to as Japan's supercar. In my initial test drive in stock tune I thought, "this is a nice car, but not quite at supercar levels". I then set out to rectify that. Despite it's high power and low weight, this car is fairly easy to drive.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Without even driving the 3000GT, take my advice and remove the LSD

 

[Adamgp]

Without even driving the 3000GT, take my advice and remove the LSD

I tried removing it and didn't notice a whole lot of difference, I'll try it again though.

*EDIT* - I ran back to back laps with and without the LSD, and I made faster laps with LSD installed. Taking it off imporved corner exit slightly but (for me) it hurt in entry and middle of corners. It also seemed to make the car slide around more without it. I'll mark it as optional on the setup sheet and leave it up to the individual driver whether to put it on or not.

 

[Mr.Void]

I've just tested your Honda NSX.

There were two things that cought my attention after a couple of corners:
1) The braking - I found the cars braking performance really poor. I changed the braking force to 8/9 and it got better, but not significantly.
2) Suspension stroke - It felt like the suspension had no travel at all. Transfering weight from one side to another was really hard. I raised it by 10mm and weight shifting got much more easier but also much more unstable.

I liked the car for its stability, but it was a bit too understeery for my taste. It is definetly fast, but it takes time to find out how to drive it fast.

7/10 👍

 

[Adamgp]

I've just tested your Honda NSX.

There were two things that cought my attention after a couple of corners:
1) The braking - I found the cars braking performance really poor. I changed the braking force to 8/9 and it got better, but not significantly.
2) Suspension stroke - It felt like the suspension had no travel at all. Transfering weight from one side to another was really hard. I raised it by 10mm and weight shifting got much more easier but also much more unstable.

I liked the car for its stability, but it was a bit too understeery for my taste. It is definetly fast, but it takes time to find out how to drive it fast.

7/10 👍

Thanks for the review. 7/10 aint too shabby. Still a passing grade.

1. Your right, the brakes aren't as good as I'd like them. I originally had them stronger but in a fairly lightweight car like this they just kept locking up on me and ended up increasing my braking distances. It helps to brake a little early with this car.

2. I tried a softer suspension in it, also. But like you said it hurt stability and made the car less responsive.

Your criticizm is well taken though.

 

[Adamgp]

BMW M-Coupe ‘98

1245kg
398hp
310ft/lbs


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Suspension
Spring Rate: 8.8 / 8.5
Ride Height: 83 / 83
Bound: 7 / 8
Rebound: 7 / 8
Camber: 2.3 / 0.8
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 4 / 4

Brake Controller
Brakes: 4 / 5

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 4.022
2nd: 2.794
3rd: 2.229
4th: 1.805
5th: 1.516
6th: 1.299
Final Gear: 2.730
Autoset: 7

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 5
Acceleration: 40
Deceleration: 5

This car is quite fun to drive. A small car with big car power. I don't know if it can be called a "touge racer" but its probably close.

 

[Adamgp]

Audi S3 ‘02

1207kg
359hp
326ft/lbs


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Suspension
Spring Rate: 8.3 / 5.9
Ride Height: 73 / 73
Bound: 8 / 3
Rebound: 8 / 3
Camber: 2.0 / 1.0
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 3 / 5

Brake Controller
Brakes: 3 / 7

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.747
2nd: 1.907
3rd: 1.418
4th: 1.104
5th: 0.899
6th: 0.766
Final Gear: 4.200

Autoset: 9

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD F / R
Initial: 5 / 5
Acceleration: 40 / 40
Deceleration: 5 / 5

Pretty much the same as the M Coupe, small car with big power. This time in an AWD package.

 

[Adamgp]

Crazy Horse
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R

1351kg
625hp
603ft/lbs

***Note, I tuned a 6.2 mile version of this car.***

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Suspension
Spring Rate: 3.5 / 5.5
Ride Height: 104 / 104
Bound: 3 / 5
Rebound: 3 / 5
Camber: 2.0 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 5 / 5

Brake Controller
Brakes: 4 / 24

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.578
2nd: 1.652
3rd: 1.206
4th: 0.942
5th: 0.768
6th: 0.615
Final Gear: 3.550
Autoset: 25

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 5
Acceleration: 35
Deceleration: 5


The Cobra R is a rare car indeed, only 300 built in 2000. It was Ford’s factory race car. One of my most favorite street cars in this game.

I used this car in a recent spot race at the Nurburgring, in which I maxed out the power and added a wing for speed, plus other tweaks to suspension, trans, and brakes. I thought it drove a bit better so I am updating this with those settings, sans the downforce and racing exhaust that make it sound like a vtec.

 

[Adamgp]

Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO ‘64

1207kg
556hp
810ft/lbs


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Suspension
Spring Rate: 6.0 / 6.5
Ride Height: 115 / 115
Bound: 7 / 2
Rebound: 7 / 2
Camber: 1.5 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 1 / 1

Brake Controller
Brakes: 8 / 24

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.186
2nd: 1.479
3rd: 1.092
4th: 0.878
5th: 0.744
6th: 0.634
Final Gear: 3.730

Autoset: 19

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 10
Acceleration: 40
Deceleration: 5


The ’64 Goat started the muscle car era back in ’64, so it was only fitting that I start with this car when posting my classic car setups. The engine has been fitted with fuel injection and a blower, and makes massive power and torque. The suspension and brakes have been upgraded also to make it perform more like a modern car.

 

[Adamgp]

Mercury Cougar XR-7 '67

1205kg
546hp
693ft/lbs


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Suspension
Spring Rate: 4.2 / 4.2
Ride Height: 112 / 112
Bound: 8 / 8
Rebound: 8 / 8
Camber: 1.5 / 0.5
Toe: 0 / 0
Stabilizers: 1 / 1

Brake Controller
Brakes: 5 / 24

Transmission

Note: First, reset the trans settings to default, set the Auto setting second, and set the individual gear ratios last.

Gear Ratios
1st: 2.452
2nd: 1.741
3rd: 1.390
4th: 1.136
5th: 0.936
6th: 0.780
Final Gear: 3.250

Autoset: 13

Downforce: None

Driving Aids
ASM Oversteer: 0
ASM Understeer: 0
TCS: 0

LSD
Initial: 30
Acceleration: 40
Deceleration: 50


The Cougar was introduced as an upscale alternative to the Mustang. The 390 V8 has been totally rebuilt and produces over 540hp. The suspension and brakes have been upgraded to make it handle and stop a lot better than the stock version.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Dang that's a lot of power for the classics. How taily are they?

 

[shoman]

I have a xr-7 to I will build mine up and go at it.👍

 

[Adamgp]

Dang that's a lot of power for the classics. How taily are they?

I don't think they're bad at all, enough to make them entertaining. Some throttle modulation is needed in the first 2 gears though.

If you think they're powerful, wait 'til you see the classic Mopars I'm working on.

I have a xr-7 to I will build mine up and go at it.

Please do.

 

[shoman]

I don't think they're bad at all, enough to make them entertaining. Some throttle modulation is needed in the first 2 gears though.

If you think they're powerful, wait 'til you see the classic Mopars I'm working on.



Please do.

I test yours and I will build one and we can spot race them what do you think?

 

[Adamgp]

I test yours and I will build one and we can spot race them what do you think?

Sure. Will this be before or after the SHO spot race though?

 

[shoman]

Sure. Will this be before or after the SHO spot race though?

It doesn't matter to me. I just want to start a nice friendly rival

 

[Adamgp]

It doesn't matter to me. I just want to start a nice friendly rival

Rivalry could be fun. 👍

Except later this week and next week we are having the floors redone in the house and I may not have access to a computer during that time, not sure.

 

[shoman]

Rivalry could be fun. 👍

Except later this week and next week we are having the floors redone in the house and I may not have access to a computer during that time, not sure.

I'm going to knockout both car's today

Just to be fair I'm going to run this car in the 1000 mile race. This is my review of this car when the racing is done. I feel the power and straight line performance is good. The trans is good. The car is taily when push hard at braking. If you got on it to soon it would spin out. I feel there could have been more work on the lsd.

overall the car is ok for what it is. Sorry for being so ruff on the car.

 

[Adamgp]

I'm going to knockout both car's today

Just to be fair I'm going to run this car in the 1000 mile race. This is my review of this car when the racing is done. I feel the power and straight line performance is good. The trans is good. The car is taily when push hard at braking. If you got on it to soon it would spin out. I feel there could have been more work on the lsd.

overall the car is ok for what it is. Sorry for being so ruff on the car.

I tried to finish my SHO today but couldn't. It'll be atleast another day.

What track did you test the Cougar at? I mainly tuned it at Deep Forest. It does take some skill to drive but once you get to know the car it can be pretty quick. Difference in driving styles can be the case too. In any case, thanks for the review. 👍 I look forward to reviewing yours.

I messed with the lsd a little bit, raising the settings provided more traction but it understeered too much for my taste.

 

[shoman]

I tried to finish my SHO today but couldn't. It'll be atleast another day.

What track did you test the Cougar at? I mainly tuned it at Deep Forest. It does take some skill to drive but once you get to know the car it can be pretty quick. Difference in driving styles can be the case too. In any case, thanks for the review. 👍 I look forward to reviewing yours.

I messed with the lsd a little bit, raising the settings provided more traction but it understeered too much for my taste.

the ring the 12 mile racetrack. I do drive alittle hard I did burn the tires up pretty fast

 

[Adamgp]

the ring the 12 mile racetrack. I do drive alittle hard I did burn the tires up pretty fast

My Cougar's suspension is a bit stiff for the 'ring. I reccomend trying it out at a track like Deep Forest or Trial Mountain if you want to try it again.

 

[shoman]

My Cougar's suspension is a bit stiff for the 'ring. I reccomend trying it out at a track like Deep Forest or Trial Mountain if you want to try it again.

will do

 

[Rotary Junkie]

My Cougar's suspension is a bit stiff for the 'ring. I reccomend trying it out at a track like Deep Forest or Trial Mountain if you want to try it again.

It's actually too SOFT for the 'ring at that ride height.

Oil pan smashing, commence.

It needs double the current spring rates, possibly treble.

Oh, and Shoman: Not a problem of yours, but of the car's. The Cougar eats tires.

 

[shoman]

It's actually too SOFT for the 'ring at that ride height.

Oil pan smashing, commence.

It needs double the current spring rates, possibly treble.

Oh, and Shoman: Not a problem of yours, but of the car's. The Cougar eats tires.

That's what I thought wasn't for sure:tup:

 

[Adamgp]

It's actually too SOFT for the 'ring at that ride height.

Oil pan smashing, commence.

It needs double the current spring rates, possibly treble.

Oh, and Shoman: Not a problem of yours, but of the car's. The Cougar eats tires.

Spring rates are fine for the 'ring. (for me anyway) I'd just soften up the shocks and maybe raise the ride height. Each driver has different preferences though.

 

[shoman]

I just don't think this car's for me. the tune was good on those tracks,but It didn't fit my driving style. Or I'm having a bad driving day?

 

[Rotary Junkie]

My Cougar's suspension is a bit stiff for the 'ring.

Spring rates are fine for the 'ring. (for me anyway) I'd just soften up the shocks and maybe raise the ride height. Each driver has different preferences though.

Eh? Something doesn't quite match there.

Anyhow, 4.2 kg/mm is 235.2 lbs/in, which means that the suspension will compress an inch for every 235 lbs applied. Ride height is equal to 4.33".

Not enough travel.

Mayhaps I'll build one and see what I come up with.

 

[Adamgp]

Shoman- That's cool. Thanks for tying it out. I look forward to trying out yours.👍

Eh? Something doesn't quite match there.

Anyhow, 4.2 kg/mm is 235.2 lbs/in, which means that the suspension will compress an inch for every 235 lbs applied. Ride height is equal to 4.33".

Not enough travel.

Mayhaps I'll build one and see what I come up with.

Did you even test the car before you critiqued it or what? If not, I suggest you build one and try it out before you criticize it please.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

No, I did not, but I can look and see that it's far too soft.

I was simply explaining why I think the car is too soft, not criticizing the way the car drives.

I'd also recommend doing a bit of diff work and redoing the shocks and camber.