My Contribution for a better driving behaviour!! (How GTS should be played)

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In a contribution to help achieving a more correct driving behavior in GTS... (if we all did like this... we would all love to race online with GTS.. I´m pretty sure...) And... Believe when I say that you will not feel that you´ve just lost your time, if you use it to read these documents... (and learn something more...)

I - 1st pileup of recommended reading( with illustrative images), sincerely I think it is worth to loose just a bit of your time and attention getting some racing behavior instruction...

1st: How to properly overtake and defend your position in Formula 1 :

https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/rac...vertake-and-defend-your-position-in-formula-1

2nd: F1 Metrics - The rules of racing:

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
II - With the same intention... additionally... 2nd pileup with some rules applied on well know virtual racing lobbies...

1st - in Live for Speed:

Overtaking

O-1: To obtain right of road position in a corner, the overtaker's car must have substantial overlap of the car that is being overtaken, before they reach the corner's turn-in point. Should the overtaking car not have enough overlap, the leading car may resume its racing line without fear of contact.

O-2: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.

O-3: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area. The ahead driver can still battle for the position of course but must do so while maintaining side room for the behind driver. The practice of going up the inside of an ahead car after that car has already turned in, and where there was no established substantial overlap before the turn-in point, is sometimes referred to as barge passing, (i.e. you barge your way past). Understand that barge passing is a high risk manoeuvre for both you and others. You have no rights what-so-ever as a barge passer.

O-4: Where an ahead driver has clearly made a sufficient error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. E.g. - If the ahead driver brakes too late and drifts out wide of the apex and then has to reduce speed etc. This would be a valid passing opportunity regardless of whether there was pre-existing overlap. However, there is still substantial responsibility on the overtaking driver to take all necessary care to avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not be sufficient to justify an attacking passing move however. Just because the ahead driver gets a bit out of shape at times does not give you an automatic right to pass uncontested by them or a right to room. You still have to judge if their error provides sufficient opportunity for a safe pass to take place.

O-5: Ahead drivers have the right to choose any line down a straight. The ahead driver may make one move to block the opposing car, and one move to return to the racing line before the next corner - Unless the opposing car has overlap.

O-6: Ahead drivers have the right to take any line through a corner, unless an opposing car has overlap.

Contact
CT-1: Even if the above rules are adhered to at all times, contact between cars is always a possibility.

CT-2: If a driver has breached one of the Rules of Racing, and has resulted in contact and/or a time or position advantage. That driver must apologize, and forfeit the position to the affected driver. If the affected driver is unable to continue, sufficient action should be encouraged at the Server Admin's discretion.

CT-3: If a driver who has breached one of the Rules of Racing is most affected by the incident, this driver has no right to claim any form of position or compensation for this error.

CT-4: Behind drivers are expected to anticipate the possibility that ahead drivers may have longer braking zones, and can make mistakes. Behind drivers should drive accordingly, always maintaining separation.

CT-5: The behind driver has a responsibility to not run into the back of a ahead driver. The ahead driver does not have to try to avoid you. If all else fails, the behind driver should run their own car off the track to avoid such a collision.

CT-6: Malicious or inappropriate braking or slowing is strictly prohibited.


2nd-GT Planet rules for GT6 Online Races:

05: Rules Governing Car Contact:

A: Contacts and collisions must be avoided at all costs.

B: Pushing other cars in turns or pushing them off the track is strictly prohibited.

C: Leaning on other cars is strictly prohibited in any situation.

06: Running into the car ahead of you:
A: The behind driver must take all necessary care and responsibility not to run into an ahead driver.

B: In case you brake too late for a corner or partially lose control of your car, but can prevent an accident by steering into the dirt, grass or a wall, you are expected to do so.

C: The ahead driver must not do any malicious or inappropriate braking or slowing. Leading cars MUST NOT EVER 'brake check' the car(s) behind them because they are following too closely. The ahead driver IS entitled to be slower or use longer and earlier braking zones than others. They are also entitled to turn in earlier or later and/or apex earlier or later.

07: Contact Concessions:
A: If there's contact between drivers that results in the guilty driver making up places on the innocent driver, the guilty driver should immediately allow the innocent driver to pass freely to re-establish their position. This rule should be observed, even if it means the guilty driver has to allow drivers not involved in the incident to pass while waiting for the driver they contacted.

B: If the appropriate contact concession is carried out by the guilty driver then they may avoid or reduce the severity of any penalties that might otherwise apply.

C: If the appropriate contact concession is not carried out by the guilty party then the usual penalties would apply.

D: If you have to slow down to let the other player through, move out of the racing line first before you slow down. Coming to a full stop is not allowed, just continue at a lower pace until the other driver passes you again.

08: Corner Rights:
A: When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.

B: You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner's turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver's position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

C: If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

D: If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn't give you an automatic right to pass. You still have to judge if their error allows for a safe pass to take place.

E: Drivers who are using PS3/4 controllers MUST make additional effort in driving due to the fact they can't use side-view, and their perception of the other cars is thereby limited - extreme caution while maneuvering is required. If you are using a controller, you are required to set buttons up for side views as "I didn't see you." is not an excuse if you collide with another driver when racing.


III - On the same theme (more or less..): 3rd pileup of recommended reading:

1st: The-road-racers-guide-to-passing-etiquette;

https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/the-road-racers-guide-to-passing-etiquette/


2nd: Don´t be that guy... the Divebomber!!:

https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/wrr-tv-dont-be-that-guy-the-divebomber/



I sincerely hope it may help those who need to know how it should be the correct altitude for GTS players racing online...

I know it´s only a Game... but even so, it helps.. to understand the way we should try to behave... and to know the things we should keep in mind, and above all: - Respect...

If we all try to follow a bit closer to these "ideas" I´m very sure that driving online with GTS would became a true pleasure for all of us!! (even when we loose or fail... as we´re only Humans!!!)
 
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5 lines of text without a cartoon picture is too much for most people :dopey:

I will go for a smoke and come back for a read in a minute....

For people who watch F1 and realise the damage probability from any slightest contact, there is nothing much to learn.

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People in GTS seem to think you can pull away from 0mph (after the hand of god) and drive in front of someone approaching at 100mph+.

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5 lines of text without a cartoon picture is too much for most people :dopey:

I will go for a smoke and come back for a read in a minute....


The links I posted have lot´s of informative images... and videos... believe me... why should I copy them and pasted them on the thread if you get there just with a simple point and click??

Try them.. please:

https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/rac...vertake-and-defend-your-position-in-formula-1

https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/the-road-racers-guide-to-passing-etiquette/
https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/wrr-tv-dont-be-that-guy-the-divebomber/

99,99% think they already know about these to begin with ;)


Yep.. they think. but they don´t...
 
Thanks for the post, but honestly, I think the people who truly need to read your posts aren't on gtplanet in the first place. The people around here know their stuff (and those who don't get roasted pretty badly)
It´s a pity that this thread is simply ignored by 99,99% of readers and GTS players... as I think that these principles should be divulged... (a lot...) :(
So I don't think you need to tell everyone here to read the post.
 
I read the whole article cautiously and it sums it up perfectly. If! People would really hold to these standards racing would indeed be gorgeous. But! People tend to be egoistic and greedy so my concern is that most of them simply ignore to play by these rules.
I mean it sounds a bit like the perfect World, like in the Movie Pleasantville. Everybody is nice and has high moral standards.
But once someone with another attitude interferes, the perfect world gets out of balance and the chaos starts.
It’s just utopic and naive to believe that this will ever happen. Sadly.
I always have and always will drive by those standards as they are part of my personal attitude, and I would never trade my integrity for a cheap win or any other honorless gain on track.
 
I read the whole article cautiously and it sums it up perfectly. If! People would really hold to these standards racing would indeed be gorgeous. But! People tend to be egoistic and greedy so my concern is that most of them simply ignore to play by these rules.
I mean it sounds a bit like the perfect World, like in the Movie Pleasantville. Everybody is nice and has high moral standards.
But once someone with another attitude interferes, the perfect world gets out of balance and the chaos starts.
It’s just utopic and naive to believe that this will ever happen. Sadly.
I always have and always will drive by those standards as they are part of my personal attitude, and I would never trade my integrity for a cheap win or any other honorless gain on track.


Excellent statement, Pirovac! :) Congratulations! :)
 
Need to translate that into french, Italian and Spanish;)

CRazy... I´m not from an English language country, and I´ve never lived in one, also... And I understood very well all what´s written in there...

Furthermore for those truly interested.. there´s always the possibility to translate the content of those links to anyone´s language (at least my Web browser is capable of doing it...) I had no need to use that capacity to read the texts... With the videos.. that´s a bit more difficult...

And I hope that your intention is not in any way to suggest that the English and American GTS players are just perfect and that those who don´t speak the "Master´s of the World (an closer part of the Universe in general)" language are the only one around in GTS, that don´t know nothing about racing etiquette... and stuff ...such as playing fair and clean...
 
Not at all. Tongue in cheek joke. The english are far from perfect. Americans less than the english;).
To be honest.. I agree with you! (I hope USA guys ..mainly the Most Dangerous Tramp on Earth... wont put my head to a.. very low price... :) )
 
This is a great read. Nice refresher to read from time to time. Definitely better than the 2 videos it takes in gts to allow you to race. May be wasted on the masses who dont always try for clean racing. But for those who do (race clean), good show @Mirror_man.
 
“Small contribution”

If I rename it to "Very Small".. would it make you happier??

This is a great read. Nice refresher to read from time to time. Definitely better than the 2 videos it takes in gts to allow you to race. May be wasted on the masses who dont always try for clean racing. But for those who do (race clean), good show @Mirror_man.

Thanks Sander! I honestly posted here the best material that I could find, regarding the Rules of Race Conduit that could and should be used in this game!! I also found around other rules of racing conduit, some from other entities and race types, and in some cases I simply only listed the ones that were more according to this game and to the problems that we all keep finding when playing it...

I ´ve also made some "disclosure" of this text/compilation on several Facebook Groups connected with GTS, either in English, as in Portuguese (the part that can easily be translated to Portuguese... of course)
 
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Very well thread and thanks for taking your time to share it with us !

The problem is that only people who take the game serious will click on it. And most of them are already GT planet members and they probably are not the issue here.

People who are the problem in (online) race etiquette will probably never read it...
 
Very well thread and thanks for taking your time to share it with us !

The problem is that only people who take the game serious will click on it. And most of them are already GT planet members and they probably are not the issue here.

People who are the problem in (online) race etiquette will probably never read it...

Probably.. but even so... it´s here for everybody.. including those who don´t care about it.. but someday.. may care! :) Let´s hope that such day may come... sooner than expected!! :)
 
That is a great post/thread. These hold true to my racing standards.

I second @PirovacBoy post whole heartedly. It may not be a hard nose winning mentality, but I'm no GTAcademy want to be. I just want fast clean racing and treat people on track as I hope to be treated.

The thread has been view just over 600 times. I wonder how many read it lol.
 
That is a great post/thread. These hold true to my racing standards.

I second @PirovacBoy post whole heartedly. It may not be a hard nose winning mentality, but I'm no GTAcademy want to be. I just want fast clean racing and treat people on track as I hope to be treated.

The thread has been view just over 600 times. I wonder how many read it lol.

It's not as interesting as complaining about how bad everyone drives...
 
We should add Video Examples from GT-S then the OP could be updated. Including examples on CORRECT behavior, also a chance to rub the glory and pat ourselves on the back :)
 
Excellent reading, thanks. I believe most players here indeed appreciate clean racing rules (for the most of races :D)
I teach my son on every occasion, that please understand GT Sport is not Need for Speed, so behave reasonably. OK, he's just 14 ;)
 
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