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It's more about being cocky than having bad karma with Kyle, thinking that he's driving the best car for the best team makes him invincible and unbeatable and the fact that everyone is calling him one of the most talented drivers in NASCAR (not necessarily the best) doesn't help his cause any either.
Sometime down the road, that's gonna bite him in the ass and he may find himself looking for a ride.
Sometime down the road, that's gonna bite him in the ass and he may find himself looking for a ride.
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Le Mans is done. Now, I focus on other kinds of racing. So Dale Earnhardt Jr. finally wins his first race in a long while. Junior Nation lives again with happiness as Dale Jr. gets his first win with the #88 car, not to mention his first win for Hendrick Motorsports. I didn't see the race at all because I was having my "recovery session" from Le Mans. Up next is a NASCAR event some of you may actually want to watch- it's NASCAR's annual trip to Sears Point (Infineon Raceway).
John's Debate! - Winning Can be Contagious; Bluegrass Beatin' n' Bangin'?
1.) How many more wins do you think Dale Earnhardt Jr. will get...
A.) ...before the Chase for the Cup?
B.) ...before the end of the season?
Do you think we pay too much attention to Dale Jr.'s losing streak that we end up feeling like "he's GOT to win?" and want him to win to get more NASCAR fans excited?
2.) There's talk of Kentucky being considered for a Sprint Cup race for next season. Do you think NASCAR will race at Kentucky, and do you think Kentucky is a great place for the NASCAR Sprint Cup stars to do battle on?
Sears Point is next. No oval mediocrity for the Cup crew. Time to see those road racing skills. They're race car drivers, so why not a road racing challenge? We'll see how this race finishes up next weekend.
John's Debate! - Winning Can be Contagious; Bluegrass Beatin' n' Bangin'?
1.) How many more wins do you think Dale Earnhardt Jr. will get...
A.) ...before the Chase for the Cup?
B.) ...before the end of the season?
Do you think we pay too much attention to Dale Jr.'s losing streak that we end up feeling like "he's GOT to win?" and want him to win to get more NASCAR fans excited?
2.) There's talk of Kentucky being considered for a Sprint Cup race for next season. Do you think NASCAR will race at Kentucky, and do you think Kentucky is a great place for the NASCAR Sprint Cup stars to do battle on?
Sears Point is next. No oval mediocrity for the Cup crew. Time to see those road racing skills. They're race car drivers, so why not a road racing challenge? We'll see how this race finishes up next weekend.
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Good to see Junior get his first win. He has been 3rd in points for some time, and I'm pulling for him to win the title. He said that's why he moved to Hendrick, to win a title
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OK so David Hobbs said at this year's 24 hours of Le Mans that if you want to drive forever drive in NASCAR
So I did some math and found that the average age of a NASCAR driver in the top 35 in points is 32
The average age of the drivers behind the wheel of the overall winning car at this year's 24 hours of Le Mans is 41
I'm seriously tired of people taking shots at NASCAR. They nit pick every little thing about the sport and ignore huge flaws in their personal favorite.
Almost every commentator from every other form of motorsport compares their discipline to NASCAR and their form of motorsport is always superior in every way.
If you ask me I think it's jealousy of the popularity of the sport, because I hardly if EVER hear NASCAR commentators take shots at openwheel racing or sports car racing. They know their grass is green and they're flying high, unlike other disgruntled commentators (and even fans) who are jealous of NASCAR's success.
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OK so David Hobbs said at this year's 24 hours of Le Mans that if you want to drive forever drive in NASCAR
So I did some math and found that the average age of a NASCAR driver in the top 35 in points is 32
The average age of the drivers behind the wheel of the overall winning car at this year's 24 hours of Le Mans is 41
I'm seriously tired of people taking shots at NASCAR. They nit pick every little thing about the sport and ignore huge flaws in their personal favorite.
Almost every commentator from every other form of motorsport compares their discipline to NASCAR and their form of motorsport is always superior in every way.
If you ask me I think it's jealousy of the popularity of the sport, because I hardly if EVER hear NASCAR commentators take shots at openwheel racing or sports car racing. They know their grass is green and they're flying high, unlike other disgruntled commentators (and even fans) who are jealous of NASCAR's success.
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Except for that commercial priding itself about having four (that many?!) international champions, and explaining how Villeneuve brought "his championship-winning ways to NASCAR", when he's not even racing there. From what I've noticed, most NASCAR commentators don't compare it to other series (other than IndyCar, occasionally), simply because they seem unaware that racing outside the NASCAR line exists.
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A) 2
B) 3
I think DW was being optimistic last season saying that Jr. would win at least 6.
It's just his popularity that cause the fans and the media to put pressure on him to perform and they expect him to win or to contend for wins every race.
I think it would be a great race if the cup series ever got a chance to race at Kentucky, but until the present owners of the Kentucky speedway drop their lawsuit or NASCAR settles with the owners, we won't see a Sprint Cup race there anytime soon.
Strange, the commentators here hardly ever comment about the open-wheelers, except when they have problems or when they focus on their open-wheel successes.
(although there was an exception yesterday when Hornish was battling Jimmie Johnson for the lead)
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In response to Metar,
It is a myth that NASCAR commentators, fans, and drivers are oblivious to motorsports outside of NASCAR.
95% of the NASCAR fans who post in this thread regularly follow other forms of motorsport.
Many NASCAR drivers ask about Formula 1 results, even during a race. I know that Michael Waltrip follows Le Mans and I'm sure there are many others.
NASCAR commentators congratulate the winner of the Indy 500 every year during the Coke 600 which takes place later the evening. They even talked about the merger of American openwheel racing during a race and said it was good for them.
If anybody it's obvlivious to other forms of motorsport it's the elitest F1 fans/commentators/drivers. I don't know if F1 drivers/fans/commentators have ever seen a NASCAR race or even care about NASCAR the slightest bit.
Let me give you some examples of NASCAR hate.
Now whoever said there was no passing in sports car racing? More passing happens in sportsracing then any other motorsport.
I've only heard NASCAR fans say they don't follow F1 because of the no passing which EVERYONE agrees is a problem.
As for Le Mans this year being such a great race, how did cars in the LMP1 class get seperated by 15 seconds a lap? Not such a great, fair race when the diesels are 15 seconds a lap faster then gasonline cars in their own class!
Once again trashing NASCAR but ignoring huge flaws in th so called "superior" sport of sports car racing.
Once again John takes another shot at NASCAR.
Now KAMKA-Z decides to take a cheap swipe at NASCAR. Maybe he doesn't know money problems hurt great teams in all forms of motorsports?
Many teams have to cancel their Le Mans invites because they couldn't gather the money. Pescarolo Sport almost collapsed under financial problems a year after winning the LMS title.
More examples:
"If you want to drive forever drive in NASCAR."
- David Hobbs
And the average age of a NASCAR driver is 32 and the winning Le Mans drivers average age is 41?
"A NASCAR has around the same power as a Formula 1 car, but a NASCAR weighs 3400lbs, a F1 car only weighs 1300lbs so that gives you an idea of the different power to weight ratios."
- Bob Varsha
Once again, a needless comparison to NASCAR, and of course F1 is better because the power to weight ratio is higher.
It basicly comes down to this, bashing NASCAR and taking cheap shots at it has become a recent fad. Nobody will step up and call out those who do it because who wants to try and defend NASCAR when it's the fad to trash it recently?
Maybe it's time those in the motorsport community realize it's OK to like more then one form of motorsport.
Here is an example:
You would think the IRL was run by the NAZIs after reading this comment.
Seriously, motorsport fans need to quit being such elitests and start respecting other forms of motorsports they don't prefer.
Is it too hard to respect both the raw driving, low technology, close racing of NASCAR, the high speed, high technology of openwheel racing and the endurance of sports car racing?
I'm sure NASCAR fans have their degrading terminology they use for openwheel etc.
All this nonsense is just sickening now.
That's why I have the upmost respect for drivers like Jacques Villeneuve, somoene who is willing to race every type of motorsport out there, and doesn't think any of them have "coodies" or are run by Hitler.
Personally, I don't find one form of motorsport better then anyother. They all have their ups and downs.
That's why I watch them all and don't bother taking cheap shots at any of them. 👍
It is a myth that NASCAR commentators, fans, and drivers are oblivious to motorsports outside of NASCAR.
95% of the NASCAR fans who post in this thread regularly follow other forms of motorsport.
Many NASCAR drivers ask about Formula 1 results, even during a race. I know that Michael Waltrip follows Le Mans and I'm sure there are many others.
NASCAR commentators congratulate the winner of the Indy 500 every year during the Coke 600 which takes place later the evening. They even talked about the merger of American openwheel racing during a race and said it was good for them.
If anybody it's obvlivious to other forms of motorsport it's the elitest F1 fans/commentators/drivers. I don't know if F1 drivers/fans/commentators have ever seen a NASCAR race or even care about NASCAR the slightest bit.
Let me give you some examples of NASCAR hate.
JohnBM01
Now whoever said there was no passing in sports car racing? More passing happens in sportsracing then any other motorsport.
I've only heard NASCAR fans say they don't follow F1 because of the no passing which EVERYONE agrees is a problem.
As for Le Mans this year being such a great race, how did cars in the LMP1 class get seperated by 15 seconds a lap? Not such a great, fair race when the diesels are 15 seconds a lap faster then gasonline cars in their own class!
Once again trashing NASCAR but ignoring huge flaws in th so called "superior" sport of sports car racing.
JohnBM01
Once again John takes another shot at NASCAR.
KAMKA-Z
Now KAMKA-Z decides to take a cheap swipe at NASCAR. Maybe he doesn't know money problems hurt great teams in all forms of motorsports?
Many teams have to cancel their Le Mans invites because they couldn't gather the money. Pescarolo Sport almost collapsed under financial problems a year after winning the LMS title.
More examples:
"If you want to drive forever drive in NASCAR."
- David Hobbs
And the average age of a NASCAR driver is 32 and the winning Le Mans drivers average age is 41?
"A NASCAR has around the same power as a Formula 1 car, but a NASCAR weighs 3400lbs, a F1 car only weighs 1300lbs so that gives you an idea of the different power to weight ratios."
- Bob Varsha
Once again, a needless comparison to NASCAR, and of course F1 is better because the power to weight ratio is higher.
It basicly comes down to this, bashing NASCAR and taking cheap shots at it has become a recent fad. Nobody will step up and call out those who do it because who wants to try and defend NASCAR when it's the fad to trash it recently?
Maybe it's time those in the motorsport community realize it's OK to like more then one form of motorsport.
Here is an example:
Boz Mon
You would think the IRL was run by the NAZIs after reading this comment.
Seriously, motorsport fans need to quit being such elitests and start respecting other forms of motorsports they don't prefer.
Is it too hard to respect both the raw driving, low technology, close racing of NASCAR, the high speed, high technology of openwheel racing and the endurance of sports car racing?
I'm sure NASCAR fans have their degrading terminology they use for openwheel etc.
All this nonsense is just sickening now.
That's why I have the upmost respect for drivers like Jacques Villeneuve, somoene who is willing to race every type of motorsport out there, and doesn't think any of them have "coodies" or are run by Hitler.
Personally, I don't find one form of motorsport better then anyother. They all have their ups and downs.
That's why I watch them all and don't bother taking cheap shots at any of them. 👍
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I watch NASCAR. I make sure to follow it as much as I can, considering the conflicts with my weekend schedule, and the fact that races end around 2am for me. I quite enjoy it, too - some races more than others: Darlington bored the living hell out of me, but races like Richmond and Michigan kept me watching the whole thing.
As for F1 drivers who care about NASCAR - noticed David Coulthard? RTL commentators mention other sports quite often, including NASCAR.
Plus, it's always funny to see you of all people say something about watching all sports without taking cheap shots, Mr. "will NASCAR have more talent than F1".
As for F1 drivers who care about NASCAR - noticed David Coulthard? RTL commentators mention other sports quite often, including NASCAR.
Plus, it's always funny to see you of all people say something about watching all sports without taking cheap shots, Mr. "will NASCAR have more talent than F1".
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- JMarine25
Because NASCAR Trucks don't want to race ovals... because Nationwide is too good for Sears Point (though I have NOTHING against Mexico City and the Montreal road courses) with the Cup boys... NASCAR Sprint Cup will be in the Bay Area for this race event. It's in Sonoma, California; so I'm not sure if Sonoma counts as the Bay Area (where we normally think of San Francisco and stuff). I'll just comment on this track.
John-itorial: Welcome to Sonoma!
From what I've randomly looked up on the Internet, NASCAR first started racing at Sears Point in 1989 as Ricky Rudd beat out Rusty Wallace for the win. That was June 11, 1989 with boxy stock cars. Today's CoT cars will test their prowess around the amazing Sears Point race track, nowadays known as Infineon Raceway (I still prefer "Sears Point"). I like NASCAR taking on the challenge of road racing each year for all the NASCAR series that do road racing. When I first got into racing (for real) in 1999, Jeff Gordon was the man, having won successive road races. His streak ended at five when Tony Stewart had his way with Jeff Gordon at Watkins Glen in 2000.
The stock car people raced what we now know as the sportscar course. Starting in about 1998 or 1999, the stock cars raced around the area that had the brutally-slow chicane. I call it the "wuss" configuration of this track, perhaps since I'm so impartial to sportscar racing. The track is told to not have a definite straightaway. This is reminiscent of Chicagoland Speedway as the track constantly curves all the way around. The Wine Country landscape make this hilly area quite fun as the roads constantly undulate. What I found to be a key factor of conquering this race track is to have a smooth and steady line. You can use the drag racing part to do your slipstream battles, and it takes some real guts to conquer most of the rest of the track heading into the esses which lead to the final two turns around pit entrance. While I enjoy racing this track, I am not really a master of it. Almost as if the track punishes you for going too fast. What's the punishment? Lawn mowing with your car as well as possibly getting beached in the gravel traps or sandy areas.
Why do I love NASCAR doing road racing and at this track? I like to think stock cars can take on almost any track of any configuration. The cars are about 3400 lbs. and have killer 750 or 800 horsepower engines. However, trying something different (like road racing) really tests driving ability while keeping the rest of the pack in your rear view mirror in the car. I do get a bit tired of hearing stock cars go around an oval with in-car shots. Even most of you have to admit that hearing these stock cars go through the gears can be wonderful music. Maybe not Trans-Am or Australian V8 Supercar music, but still better than being in fourth gear around mostly ovals. I think of this as something different and a driver challenge.
Likewise, I also think the Chase for the Cup needs a road course because I don't think you're really justified as a champion if you don't prove yourself on various kinds of race courses. You race two ovals out of the entire season. There needs to be a road race of some kind of road racing event to test your road racing skills. You can dominate ovals, but you also need to dominate road racing. And with the different international competitors as well as road racing veterans, keep their skills fresh while not letting them have their road racing skill rot. And maybe for the Chase contenders that aren't good at road racing, force them to do a road race (or two) to show they are a champion. You have to run good at ovals AND road courses. I feel that's what a champion in NASCAR should be rather than just being a great oval racer.
I guess FOX is done with carrying NASCAR, so allow me to say "Boogity Boogity Boogity! Let's go road racing, boys!"
The race hasn't even started, and already I have something for discussion. Check it out:
John's Debate! - True Racers?
Some teams hire road racing drivers to take the place of oval racing stars not accustomed to road racing. Think of the times when Ron Fellows filled in for one team one time. I tend to think that real champions conquer all the various tracks they race. Like in the IndyCar Series, doing well on ovals and non-oval races. Doing well in the ALMS means both permanent road courses and temporary road/street courses. I think that a driver in NASCAR is never a truly good racer if he/she can do well on ovals... but not road courses. Either that, or hire someone else to fill in for that driver in road racing. Do you think NASCAR racers more accustomed to ovals should learn to do road racing and excel at road racing and not have to hire racers for road racing? Some people are more comfortable on ovals, but do you think NASCAR racers need to be good at ovals AND road courses even though road racing is fairly rare in NASCAR? Do you think drivers who hire road racing specialists should have points and prize money reduced or completely terminated for not racing a road course? Do you think the Chase for the Cup needs a road race (if so, where? And what race would you trade for a road racing event)? And do you think a real NASCAR champion needs to be good on ovals as well as road courses?
That's all from me. Have at it.
John-itorial: Welcome to Sonoma!
From what I've randomly looked up on the Internet, NASCAR first started racing at Sears Point in 1989 as Ricky Rudd beat out Rusty Wallace for the win. That was June 11, 1989 with boxy stock cars. Today's CoT cars will test their prowess around the amazing Sears Point race track, nowadays known as Infineon Raceway (I still prefer "Sears Point"). I like NASCAR taking on the challenge of road racing each year for all the NASCAR series that do road racing. When I first got into racing (for real) in 1999, Jeff Gordon was the man, having won successive road races. His streak ended at five when Tony Stewart had his way with Jeff Gordon at Watkins Glen in 2000.
The stock car people raced what we now know as the sportscar course. Starting in about 1998 or 1999, the stock cars raced around the area that had the brutally-slow chicane. I call it the "wuss" configuration of this track, perhaps since I'm so impartial to sportscar racing. The track is told to not have a definite straightaway. This is reminiscent of Chicagoland Speedway as the track constantly curves all the way around. The Wine Country landscape make this hilly area quite fun as the roads constantly undulate. What I found to be a key factor of conquering this race track is to have a smooth and steady line. You can use the drag racing part to do your slipstream battles, and it takes some real guts to conquer most of the rest of the track heading into the esses which lead to the final two turns around pit entrance. While I enjoy racing this track, I am not really a master of it. Almost as if the track punishes you for going too fast. What's the punishment? Lawn mowing with your car as well as possibly getting beached in the gravel traps or sandy areas.
Why do I love NASCAR doing road racing and at this track? I like to think stock cars can take on almost any track of any configuration. The cars are about 3400 lbs. and have killer 750 or 800 horsepower engines. However, trying something different (like road racing) really tests driving ability while keeping the rest of the pack in your rear view mirror in the car. I do get a bit tired of hearing stock cars go around an oval with in-car shots. Even most of you have to admit that hearing these stock cars go through the gears can be wonderful music. Maybe not Trans-Am or Australian V8 Supercar music, but still better than being in fourth gear around mostly ovals. I think of this as something different and a driver challenge.
Likewise, I also think the Chase for the Cup needs a road course because I don't think you're really justified as a champion if you don't prove yourself on various kinds of race courses. You race two ovals out of the entire season. There needs to be a road race of some kind of road racing event to test your road racing skills. You can dominate ovals, but you also need to dominate road racing. And with the different international competitors as well as road racing veterans, keep their skills fresh while not letting them have their road racing skill rot. And maybe for the Chase contenders that aren't good at road racing, force them to do a road race (or two) to show they are a champion. You have to run good at ovals AND road courses. I feel that's what a champion in NASCAR should be rather than just being a great oval racer.
I guess FOX is done with carrying NASCAR, so allow me to say "Boogity Boogity Boogity! Let's go road racing, boys!"
The race hasn't even started, and already I have something for discussion. Check it out:
John's Debate! - True Racers?
Some teams hire road racing drivers to take the place of oval racing stars not accustomed to road racing. Think of the times when Ron Fellows filled in for one team one time. I tend to think that real champions conquer all the various tracks they race. Like in the IndyCar Series, doing well on ovals and non-oval races. Doing well in the ALMS means both permanent road courses and temporary road/street courses. I think that a driver in NASCAR is never a truly good racer if he/she can do well on ovals... but not road courses. Either that, or hire someone else to fill in for that driver in road racing. Do you think NASCAR racers more accustomed to ovals should learn to do road racing and excel at road racing and not have to hire racers for road racing? Some people are more comfortable on ovals, but do you think NASCAR racers need to be good at ovals AND road courses even though road racing is fairly rare in NASCAR? Do you think drivers who hire road racing specialists should have points and prize money reduced or completely terminated for not racing a road course? Do you think the Chase for the Cup needs a road race (if so, where? And what race would you trade for a road racing event)? And do you think a real NASCAR champion needs to be good on ovals as well as road courses?
That's all from me. Have at it.
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I'm pretty sure the only reason the Nationwide series doesn't race Infenion is because it would conflict with the NASCAR West series race on Saturday.
- I think drivers who prefer ovals should at least try a road race, and if they don't like it, then they should hire a ringer to drive for them.
- See #1
- If the regular driver doesn't race on the road-course, he shouldn't be awarded points or a share of the purse, the road course specialist gets the purse and points.
- Yes, trade the 2nd date at California for a race at Road America, Mid-Ohio, Road Atlanta or Laguna Seca.
- Not necessarily, but considering how well Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart do at road courses it probably puts more pressure on the drivers to do well at road courses to be considered a contender.
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- GTP_RACECAR
You know, considering this is a NASCAR thread, we never really talk about any other Nascar series. What about the East series or the West Division? They have some exciting races and some reconizable teams. Best of all, they have more road course races 
Here's qualifying from Watkins Glen two weeks ago.
Here's qualifying from Watkins Glen two weeks ago.
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- JMarine25
I like your thinking, RACECAR. When I've tried to do my college sports and other sports threads, I try to encompass all kinds of action. There's something I've learned in posting on message boards since 2000 or so- you are best likely to get attention and posts if you only chat about the major series and not so much about minors. However, it's great to acknowledge other series and lower divisions. Just that you aren't going to get too much support or attention from even the most casual posters. It's a case of try as you might.
Anyone want to specualte about Sears Point (Cup), (wherever Nationwide races at this weekend), or Milwaukee (Trucks)?
Anyone want to specualte about Sears Point (Cup), (wherever Nationwide races at this weekend), or Milwaukee (Trucks)?
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We got a golden anniversary today...
Happy 50th birthday, Ron Hornaday, Jr.!
Hornaday is one of the real veterans in the series. He's won himself some championships with some hard racing and consistent finishes. Happy birthday to you. And as of this post, the Milwaukee race takes place later tonight under mostly clear conditions (right now).
Happy 50th birthday, Ron Hornaday, Jr.!
Hornaday is one of the real veterans in the series. He's won himself some championships with some hard racing and consistent finishes. Happy birthday to you. And as of this post, the Milwaukee race takes place later tonight under mostly clear conditions (right now).
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2 of the 3 Ganassi cars are locked into the race, and they're probably focusing on getting the cars to run fast in the race, they're not really concerned about qualifying (considering what Montoya did last year).
And I'm sure this is just another race Dario scratches off his list, I have a strong feeling he'll be wanting a ride in the IndyCar series next year.
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Yes, but he's driving for the Woods Brothers I think, a far cry from Hendrick Motorsports!
But that's just practice
Kasey Kahne is on the pole
Dario Franchitti failed to qualify and Juan Montoya is 21st
So if anyone thinks top NASCAR Sprint Cup drivers can't turn right and road racing experts will run all over them look no further then this race
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- JMarine25
People probably don't realize that Marcus Ambrose is an Australian V8 Champion- a ROAD RACING series. This is where I see a lot of the road racing specialists try to win them a race, especially those officially part of the NASCAR tour. Australian V8 Supercars has about the same amount of racing intensity as NASCAR. Juan Pablo Montoya's first win came at Mexico City (albeit in controversial fashion). Could this be the time for Mr. Ambrose?
I wanted to say this is the end of my post. However, there's a matter I have to discuss. I'm no stranger to people losing respect for me because of thoughts I've posed. I'm not going to presume that I'm going to be pretty unpopular around these parts with what I'm about to address, but at least I'll address something.
I have some road/sportscar racing bias. I'm not going to be completely in agreement with all things NASCAR. However, I love all kinds of racing as well as trying to make an effort to present myself like I know and respect NASCAR. I tell people that I don't make promises or guarantees because I'm not that kind of person. I can't promise or guarantee I'm not going to make an occasional cheap shot at NASCAR like almost every (generalization) game reviewer knocks the Gran Turismo series all the time while Forza and Burnout get very little hate (and I'm respectful of Forza). Perhaps I tend to be biased even in small knocks against NASCAR. Then again, where in the Terms of Service on GTP say that you have to love every kind of racing even if there's a series you clearly hate or don't like very much?
During the Le Mans stuff, I noted that all I cared about was Le Mans and not NASCAR or any other oval racing series. Does it mean that I hate NASCAR? Since when did I say that I hate NASCAR and everything about it? I asked a question about how to market Le Mans without dumbing things down to NASCAR terminology. Does it mean that I hate the series? No. Often times, whenever I hate something, I hate that specific thing as well as anything even remotely or marketed like something I hate. And people usually know I express myself quite well whether I love or hate something. If I've attacked a type of motorsport intentionally or unintentionally, I'm deeply sorry. I have my loves of racing and my own views. I love all kinds of racing around the world. I'm fond of Super GT in Japan, Australian V8s, British Touring Car, World Rally, MotoGP, kart racing, and more. So just because I may make an intentional/unintentional cheap shot at NASCAR doesn't mean that I don't care doing threads and chats on NASCAR. If I didn't like NASCAR in some way, I wouldn't be here with debates, discussions, and more.
So in other words... I may take a cheap shot at times at NASCAR or not regard it supreme. But please... I can't guarantee that I'm going to be impartial and not make a cheap shot (even if unintentional). This is all in referral to recent comments this week and this past weekend. If you think I lack credibility as a NASCAR fan or someone who watches (but doesn't religiously follow) NASCAR, then remember that I do have credentials to chat about NASCAR by simply watching and offering usually non-biased discussion of NASCAR. Most American race fans are mostly into NASCAR, some other kind of oval racing, or drag racing. So most of the time, NASCAR has been used in comparison to other motorsport series like the Bob Varsha comment from Post #762. Some people aren't as educated about a certain kind of motorsport, so some certain comparisons. For example, I learned that Trans-Am cars weigh about 700 lbs. less than a NASCAR stock car. Was this to belittle NASCAR and praise Trans-Am? No. It was to show differences. A tale of the tape, of sorts. Only to a fight that doesn't exist. I follow lots of motorsports the world over. I really wouldn't be surprised if I pissed off a NASCAR fan by making comments and stuff against NASCAR in some post I make. I have my own superior kind of racing and don't really mean to do much harm to anything that isn't any extreme of motorsport that I've deemed an extreme. I keep eyes and ears on NASCAR even if I'm seemingly making a cheap shot every now and then. So please... give me a chance in my NASCAR chats. All of these paragraphs were for those who think I'm extremely hateful and fail to pay and respect to the series. Spare me. If I'm not a NASCAR fan or give the series any respect, then tell me why I love Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, and Carl Edwards.
Just been thinking about all of this and finally responded for real. I don't care if I'm not popular anymore or if I end up losing friends on GTP. These are just my own views. Sorry if I offended anyone that I'm not worth anyone's respect.
Still, great job to Marcus Ambrose and congrats to whomever's the pole sitter.
I wanted to say this is the end of my post. However, there's a matter I have to discuss. I'm no stranger to people losing respect for me because of thoughts I've posed. I'm not going to presume that I'm going to be pretty unpopular around these parts with what I'm about to address, but at least I'll address something.
I have some road/sportscar racing bias. I'm not going to be completely in agreement with all things NASCAR. However, I love all kinds of racing as well as trying to make an effort to present myself like I know and respect NASCAR. I tell people that I don't make promises or guarantees because I'm not that kind of person. I can't promise or guarantee I'm not going to make an occasional cheap shot at NASCAR like almost every (generalization) game reviewer knocks the Gran Turismo series all the time while Forza and Burnout get very little hate (and I'm respectful of Forza). Perhaps I tend to be biased even in small knocks against NASCAR. Then again, where in the Terms of Service on GTP say that you have to love every kind of racing even if there's a series you clearly hate or don't like very much?
During the Le Mans stuff, I noted that all I cared about was Le Mans and not NASCAR or any other oval racing series. Does it mean that I hate NASCAR? Since when did I say that I hate NASCAR and everything about it? I asked a question about how to market Le Mans without dumbing things down to NASCAR terminology. Does it mean that I hate the series? No. Often times, whenever I hate something, I hate that specific thing as well as anything even remotely or marketed like something I hate. And people usually know I express myself quite well whether I love or hate something. If I've attacked a type of motorsport intentionally or unintentionally, I'm deeply sorry. I have my loves of racing and my own views. I love all kinds of racing around the world. I'm fond of Super GT in Japan, Australian V8s, British Touring Car, World Rally, MotoGP, kart racing, and more. So just because I may make an intentional/unintentional cheap shot at NASCAR doesn't mean that I don't care doing threads and chats on NASCAR. If I didn't like NASCAR in some way, I wouldn't be here with debates, discussions, and more.
So in other words... I may take a cheap shot at times at NASCAR or not regard it supreme. But please... I can't guarantee that I'm going to be impartial and not make a cheap shot (even if unintentional). This is all in referral to recent comments this week and this past weekend. If you think I lack credibility as a NASCAR fan or someone who watches (but doesn't religiously follow) NASCAR, then remember that I do have credentials to chat about NASCAR by simply watching and offering usually non-biased discussion of NASCAR. Most American race fans are mostly into NASCAR, some other kind of oval racing, or drag racing. So most of the time, NASCAR has been used in comparison to other motorsport series like the Bob Varsha comment from Post #762. Some people aren't as educated about a certain kind of motorsport, so some certain comparisons. For example, I learned that Trans-Am cars weigh about 700 lbs. less than a NASCAR stock car. Was this to belittle NASCAR and praise Trans-Am? No. It was to show differences. A tale of the tape, of sorts. Only to a fight that doesn't exist. I follow lots of motorsports the world over. I really wouldn't be surprised if I pissed off a NASCAR fan by making comments and stuff against NASCAR in some post I make. I have my own superior kind of racing and don't really mean to do much harm to anything that isn't any extreme of motorsport that I've deemed an extreme. I keep eyes and ears on NASCAR even if I'm seemingly making a cheap shot every now and then. So please... give me a chance in my NASCAR chats. All of these paragraphs were for those who think I'm extremely hateful and fail to pay and respect to the series. Spare me. If I'm not a NASCAR fan or give the series any respect, then tell me why I love Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, and Carl Edwards.
Just been thinking about all of this and finally responded for real. I don't care if I'm not popular anymore or if I end up losing friends on GTP. These are just my own views. Sorry if I offended anyone that I'm not worth anyone's respect.
Still, great job to Marcus Ambrose and congrats to whomever's the pole sitter.
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John, I have nothing against you. No grudge or anything. I haven't lost respect for you for making a couple of comments I didn't like. We humans are all different and have different ideas and tastes. I'll continue to reply to your posts etc etc nothing has changed.
Now,
Marcos Ambrose led Final Pracice with road ace Ron Fellows right behind him. Wouldn't it be something to the career of those guys to win a Cup race. I'm sure it would help Fellows forget about Le Mans and should accelerate Ambrose into the Cup series.
However one of the cars to look out for is Juan Montoya. He's been in the top 10 in practice speeds consistantly.
One of the things so great about NASCAR is number of drivers who have a realistic shot at winning. Look at how the practice leader board flucuates between practices.
I think one of these drivers will win
Kurt Busch
Kasey Kahne
Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Juan Montoya
Tony Stewart
As for the road course ringers, I've seen them qualify high and be fast in practice before. The problem is drivers like Ron Fellows and Boris Said only drive a stock car 1 or 2 times a year. Sure those 1 or 2 times a year are at a Road Course, but seat time is very important at the highest level of any motorsport. And they just don't have it which means they will be very prone to mistakes etc. I just don't see a road course ringer winning in this day and age.
Looking forward to the race. Hopefully fuel mileage or guessing when there will be a caution and pitting at the right time doesn't decide who wins.
Now,
Marcos Ambrose led Final Pracice with road ace Ron Fellows right behind him. Wouldn't it be something to the career of those guys to win a Cup race. I'm sure it would help Fellows forget about Le Mans and should accelerate Ambrose into the Cup series.
However one of the cars to look out for is Juan Montoya. He's been in the top 10 in practice speeds consistantly.
One of the things so great about NASCAR is number of drivers who have a realistic shot at winning. Look at how the practice leader board flucuates between practices.
I think one of these drivers will win
Kurt Busch
Kasey Kahne
Jeff Gordon
Jimmie Johnson
Juan Montoya
Tony Stewart
As for the road course ringers, I've seen them qualify high and be fast in practice before. The problem is drivers like Ron Fellows and Boris Said only drive a stock car 1 or 2 times a year. Sure those 1 or 2 times a year are at a Road Course, but seat time is very important at the highest level of any motorsport. And they just don't have it which means they will be very prone to mistakes etc. I just don't see a road course ringer winning in this day and age.
Looking forward to the race. Hopefully fuel mileage or guessing when there will be a caution and pitting at the right time doesn't decide who wins.
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kyle's grid position was 30th and he ends up putting a 20+ second gap between him and 2nd at one point in the race. this guy is a beast.
Harvick must of been braindead during that 4 car incident. he went for a gap that cant even fit half his car into and collects Stewart and the rest
Harvick must of been braindead during that 4 car incident. he went for a gap that cant even fit half his car into and collects Stewart and the rest
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