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Did you hear DW talk about Kyle Busch's F1 test
He said it was just for show but I could sense fear in his voice
The race today wasn't very good. Greb Biffle or Kyle Busch led 95% of the laps. Not alot of side by side racing. And my man Mark Martin never broke the top 20
Juan Montoya finished 12th. Impressive. He did say this was his favorite track
I'd never thought I'd say it, but Kyle Busch is quickly becoming one of my favorite drivers. Wild Thing/Roudy Busch haha.
I would like to see him drive multiple motorsports, starting with the Indy 500
He said it was just for show but I could sense fear in his voice
The race today wasn't very good. Greb Biffle or Kyle Busch led 95% of the laps. Not alot of side by side racing. And my man Mark Martin never broke the top 20
Juan Montoya finished 12th. Impressive. He did say this was his favorite track
I'd never thought I'd say it, but Kyle Busch is quickly becoming one of my favorite drivers. Wild Thing/Roudy Busch haha.
I would like to see him drive multiple motorsports, starting with the Indy 500
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- JMarine25
Kyle Busch wins again. That's ten wins for him in NASCAR's top three touring series. Jeff Gordon came home 5th as Jimmie Johnson came home 7th. I'm starting to think "here comes Jeff Gordon!" However, it's still too early.
John's Debate! - All For Nothing?
If Kyle Busch doesn't end up winning a championship in all three series he's competiting in, do you think this season of racing would be a disappointment? What would not winning a championship in any of the three series do to the overall psyche of Kyle Busch heading into 2009?
As a seperate question, what series do you think Kyle Busch would most likely win the championship in among Trucks, Nationwide, and Sprint?
John's Debate! - All For Nothing?
If Kyle Busch doesn't end up winning a championship in all three series he's competiting in, do you think this season of racing would be a disappointment? What would not winning a championship in any of the three series do to the overall psyche of Kyle Busch heading into 2009?
As a seperate question, what series do you think Kyle Busch would most likely win the championship in among Trucks, Nationwide, and Sprint?
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Aww, man. Why doesn't Fox just purchase the whole season of NASCAR? The commentary and presentation is lousy on other networks.
Alright, DW. Reach up there and pull those belts tight one more time! Boogity, boogity, boogity. Let's go racin' boys!
Those words are ridiculously comforting. I guess we will have to put up with Rusty Wallace for the rest of the season. Every time I think of Rusty, I think of this:
Alright, DW. Reach up there and pull those belts tight one more time! Boogity, boogity, boogity. Let's go racin' boys!
Those words are ridiculously comforting. I guess we will have to put up with Rusty Wallace for the rest of the season. Every time I think of Rusty, I think of this:
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John's Debate! - NASCAR's Car of Tomorrow... Ruining NASCAR?
Take a look at this article posted on AOL Sports before answering this question:
http://sports.aol.com/nascar/story/...9990001?icid=1615984955x1203663349x1200308892
Well... IS the Car of Tomorrow ruining NASCAR? What needs to be done to make the current car better, or does it need to be ditched completely? What do you think?
Take a look at this article posted on AOL Sports before answering this question:
http://sports.aol.com/nascar/story/...9990001?icid=1615984955x1203663349x1200308892
Well... IS the Car of Tomorrow ruining NASCAR? What needs to be done to make the current car better, or does it need to be ditched completely? What do you think?
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I dont think its the cars, they really need to get different tires. I remember Stewart whinnying about the tires a few weeks ago saying Hoosier could do better than good year.
Im with Tony, we need different tires for the car of tomorrow
Im with Tony, we need different tires for the car of tomorrow
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The car itself is a promising concept, I just think they need to work out a few problems.
One one side, they complain about difficulties in dirty air - on the other hand, we've seen guys go three abreast at tracks like Richmond. On top of that, the CoT appears far more robust than the older cars (Cars of Yesterday?), and survive light impacts far better. One problem might be that the restrictions on the CoT prevent these problems from getting solved - perhaps a year of more open development would allow teams to find a way of producing enough downforce in traffic. Or, the officials should get to work with a bit of CFD and wind-tunnel time to reduce aerodynamic upwash behind a car.
One one side, they complain about difficulties in dirty air - on the other hand, we've seen guys go three abreast at tracks like Richmond. On top of that, the CoT appears far more robust than the older cars (Cars of Yesterday?), and survive light impacts far better. One problem might be that the restrictions on the CoT prevent these problems from getting solved - perhaps a year of more open development would allow teams to find a way of producing enough downforce in traffic. Or, the officials should get to work with a bit of CFD and wind-tunnel time to reduce aerodynamic upwash behind a car.
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NASCAR is ruining the Car of Tomorrow claiming it would be cheaper to build, yet they force the teams to be within a hairs length of the templates or they get severely penalized ($100,000 fines to driver & owner, 150 driver & owner points, crew chief suspended for a minimum of 6 races). Teams have also said they're being forced to 'throw away' more cars after mild to serious crashes because they find that the chassis, while not damaged beyond repair, they find that it's nearly impossible to get the body on the car and still have the templates fit within the tolerances.
They also promised better side-by-side racing, which at California was the case, as well as some of the short tracks & restrictor plate races, but the majority of the races have all been about the driver leading at the starts and restarts running away with an enormous lead. Most of the races won so far have been about the driver who has the best track position towards the end of races.
I really liked the idea of it when NASCAR introduced it last year, but with all the restrictions and NASCAR's stubborness to not changes rules to improve on it, they might as well ditch the idea and bring back the old cars.
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Here are four words to remember from me: Michael McDowell at Texas. Remember in qualifying when he wrecked his car on a qualifying lap in a vicious crash? That, to me, is a win for the CoT. I probably believe there needs to be a new set of tires (though I rarely agree with Tony Stewart). I think these are race cars and should look the part of them. That's why I thought the CoT was a handsome race car. Cars could be designed to look a lot more like road-going versions... I was fine with this from day one. The cars can be banged up and still keep going. And let's face it. The CoT is a work-in-progress even if it's still raced in its current form. Make this car work because I love the CoT.
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Congrats to Hornaday for the win at Texas
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I believe that the car is ruining NASCAR especially for me. I liked the different manufacturers having distinctly different cars. I'm completely fine with the COT as far as safety goes. If manufacturers and teams were left to design a body that was more like the actual car that would be fine. As it is right now what is the point of having manufacturers? Take the STICKERS off and every car is absolutely the same! A Chevy, Ford, Dodge, or Toyota I'd love someone to be able to show where there is any difference in the cars.
To me the late eighties were the last great time in NASCAR as far as cars are concerned. You had many different styles of cars, you had Ford coming out with their new Thunderbird and forcing all of the manufacturers to catch up. All of the manufacturers were different at that time and it was possible to cheer for say, Chevy to beat a Ford. Now you would just be cheering for the Chevy stickered car to beat the Ford stickered car.
To me the late eighties were the last great time in NASCAR as far as cars are concerned. You had many different styles of cars, you had Ford coming out with their new Thunderbird and forcing all of the manufacturers to catch up. All of the manufacturers were different at that time and it was possible to cheer for say, Chevy to beat a Ford. Now you would just be cheering for the Chevy stickered car to beat the Ford stickered car.
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I just think the safety features on the COT could have easily been implemented into the traditional cars. I 'm one who thinks that only making the series distinguishable should be the only reason for change(like Grand Am did with DPs despite the really useless backlash they are getting in comparison to this car). I think things like the foam inside the car, the drivers seating position,etc. All of this, along with the opening roof, could've easily gone into the older car. Also, it seems like they tryed to stop a hendrick type domination and now they got a Joe Gibbs domination. I just think You just can't stop domination, period. In racing, there is always that one team that figures it out and makes it work all within the rules, thats just they way it is. You look at both the busch series and the cup series, The gibbs cars were on a role no matter whether it was the traditional car or the COT. So other then Mcdowall's crash, what differance has it made? It looks like its a repeat of last year with a different team.
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That's the dilemma that NASCAR's in right now with trying to develop a COT for the Nationwide series. Do they make an entirely new car that costs the teams millions of millions of dollars to develop, possibly driving some of the smaller teams out of business? Do they implement some of the safety features from the Cup COT into the current Nationwide cars? Or do they just leave it alone?
Your other point is interesting, the domination of Gibbs this season in Cup & Nationwide and Hendrick Motorsports' domination last year in Cup. When teams heard of coil binding for the first time as a way to improve front downforce and handling, Roush Racing was one of the front runners in developing their cars around coil binding. They dominated much of the 2005 season using these setups, and were able to get all 5 of their cars into the chase. Naturally, other teams saw how well Roush was doing and developed their cars to catch up to them.
It's just another one of those things that teams find to make their cars go faster, and it'll take a while for everyone else to catch-up, provided that NASCAR doesn't step in and restrict it.
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Hmmm, how does Kyle Busch like being put into the wall for absolutely no ****ing reason? Karma is nothin' to be messed with.
What is worse than Rusty Wallace calling the race?
Kyle Petty calling the race.
Maybe he should concentrate on winning races instead of his lame comments on TNT. However, I do agree with him on the safety crew not responding quick enough to Montoya's burning car. If you have a fire extinguisher, you are responsible for any and all fires, don't sit there and laugh (HD hides nothing).
What is worse than Rusty Wallace calling the race?
Kyle Petty calling the race.
Maybe he should concentrate on winning races instead of his lame comments on TNT. However, I do agree with him on the safety crew not responding quick enough to Montoya's burning car. If you have a fire extinguisher, you are responsible for any and all fires, don't sit there and laugh (HD hides nothing).
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The All-Star Race is a meaningless race to me. However since winning the All-Star Race and the Coca-Cola 600, Kasey Khane is doing quite well. His success will hopefully motor the young man from [the state of] Washington (or is he from Washington?) where he is now to getting some good progress in the championship. I've never hated Kasey Khane. He seems to be a very nice and very humble person. Perhaps even quite handsome to those ladies in those Allstate commercials.
John's Debate! - Battle of the "Boring?"
People call Pocono boring. People call Loudon boring. If you had to chosse between these two tracks as to being boring, which track do you think is more boring than the other? Or do you think there's a track that's more boring than either Pocono or Loudon? (For extra credit) Try defending the track you think is less boring of Pocono and Loudon.
Please note that I am not saying that Pocono is boring in any such way. I actually love the challenge it provides. It's a driver's oval. It is a driver's oval kind of like some of the international speedways like the Lausitzring and the Rio de Janerio oval. Before I end this post, I'd like to make a little editorial for you all. So in this age of franchising, here's a John-itorial for you all...
John-itorial: If NASCAR Returns to the Pacific Northwest...
Where would NASCAR go if they wanted to add the Pacific Northwest to their nation-wide tour? I can remember in 1999 or so that the NASCAR Trucks series raced at the beautiful Portland International Raceway. I personally think NASCAR Trucks need to go road racing because they're going to have to do some road racing when the Truck stars go to Nationwide and Sprint. I love a road racing challenge, and Portland is a wonderful challenge. Something I didn't know was that there's another Portland event- a short track (according to NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition for the PC). If you want to stay within ovals, I guess the Portland oval isn't bad to go. Portland does have some facilities for any kind of Pacific Northwest action.
Let me imagine the state of Washington. There were plans in the past for maybe a 7/8-mile oval in the Seattle area. Only race track I know in the state of Washington is Pacific Raceways in (I believe this is the name of the city) Kent, Washington. Seeing the drag racing there on "Pinks," Pacific Raceways looks like a beautiful setting. Kent is about 25 miles south southeast of Seattle. It's in the greater Seattle metropolitan area.
Why am I thinking of Pacific Northwest representation in NASCAR? It's just been something I was thinking about lately. You got people like Greg Biffle and Kasey Khane with no real home track advantage. I think there would be a number of people from the Pacific Northwest who love NASCAR and would love to see NASCAR and their stars race in the Pacific Northwest. Why the Pacific Northwest? It's beautiful! The surroundings and lovely environment are just amazing. It can even be pretty cool (temperature-wise) up in these places. For NASCAR to establish themselves nationwide, they'll need to look for a good Pacific Northwest venue to take the top three touring series. A venue in Washington or Oregon will work fine for me. The best candidate would probably be Portland International Raceway since it's the biggest track in the Pacific Northwest. I'd even lobby for NASCAR to race at Portland International because NASCAR drivers need to challenge themselves more at road courses. This is true even with stars from road racing trying to make it big in stock car racing. NASCAR's been at Portland before. Why not a return visit to give Pacific Northwest NASCAR fans a chance to see their favorite drivers? Either Portland International or Pacific Raceways would be great venues unless any other venues could be considered to be built. Both venues are in major cities, which adds appeal to the two sports markets.
Finally, WHERE would these venues fit in? I would probably guess that any time of the year when there isn't a lot of rain or snow would be a great time of year. The NASCAR circus runs between Febuary and November. Maybe a visit in August or September would be great. They may also think about doing one of the two aforementioned venues after their run at Sears Point (Infineon Raceway). This could be a road course block on the West Coast after the racing action in the Bay Area miles from beautiful San Francisco. NASCAR could probably have Trucks at Pacific Raceways, Nationwide at Portland International, and Sprint Cup at Sears Point. Whatever way NASCAR would want to do this would be fine with me.
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Do you think NASCAR should return to the Pacific Northwest? Where would be great places to race in the Pacific Northwest?
John's Debate! - Battle of the "Boring?"
People call Pocono boring. People call Loudon boring. If you had to chosse between these two tracks as to being boring, which track do you think is more boring than the other? Or do you think there's a track that's more boring than either Pocono or Loudon? (For extra credit) Try defending the track you think is less boring of Pocono and Loudon.
Please note that I am not saying that Pocono is boring in any such way. I actually love the challenge it provides. It's a driver's oval. It is a driver's oval kind of like some of the international speedways like the Lausitzring and the Rio de Janerio oval. Before I end this post, I'd like to make a little editorial for you all. So in this age of franchising, here's a John-itorial for you all...
John-itorial: If NASCAR Returns to the Pacific Northwest...
Where would NASCAR go if they wanted to add the Pacific Northwest to their nation-wide tour? I can remember in 1999 or so that the NASCAR Trucks series raced at the beautiful Portland International Raceway. I personally think NASCAR Trucks need to go road racing because they're going to have to do some road racing when the Truck stars go to Nationwide and Sprint. I love a road racing challenge, and Portland is a wonderful challenge. Something I didn't know was that there's another Portland event- a short track (according to NASCAR Racing 1999 Edition for the PC). If you want to stay within ovals, I guess the Portland oval isn't bad to go. Portland does have some facilities for any kind of Pacific Northwest action.
Let me imagine the state of Washington. There were plans in the past for maybe a 7/8-mile oval in the Seattle area. Only race track I know in the state of Washington is Pacific Raceways in (I believe this is the name of the city) Kent, Washington. Seeing the drag racing there on "Pinks," Pacific Raceways looks like a beautiful setting. Kent is about 25 miles south southeast of Seattle. It's in the greater Seattle metropolitan area.
Why am I thinking of Pacific Northwest representation in NASCAR? It's just been something I was thinking about lately. You got people like Greg Biffle and Kasey Khane with no real home track advantage. I think there would be a number of people from the Pacific Northwest who love NASCAR and would love to see NASCAR and their stars race in the Pacific Northwest. Why the Pacific Northwest? It's beautiful! The surroundings and lovely environment are just amazing. It can even be pretty cool (temperature-wise) up in these places. For NASCAR to establish themselves nationwide, they'll need to look for a good Pacific Northwest venue to take the top three touring series. A venue in Washington or Oregon will work fine for me. The best candidate would probably be Portland International Raceway since it's the biggest track in the Pacific Northwest. I'd even lobby for NASCAR to race at Portland International because NASCAR drivers need to challenge themselves more at road courses. This is true even with stars from road racing trying to make it big in stock car racing. NASCAR's been at Portland before. Why not a return visit to give Pacific Northwest NASCAR fans a chance to see their favorite drivers? Either Portland International or Pacific Raceways would be great venues unless any other venues could be considered to be built. Both venues are in major cities, which adds appeal to the two sports markets.
Finally, WHERE would these venues fit in? I would probably guess that any time of the year when there isn't a lot of rain or snow would be a great time of year. The NASCAR circus runs between Febuary and November. Maybe a visit in August or September would be great. They may also think about doing one of the two aforementioned venues after their run at Sears Point (Infineon Raceway). This could be a road course block on the West Coast after the racing action in the Bay Area miles from beautiful San Francisco. NASCAR could probably have Trucks at Pacific Raceways, Nationwide at Portland International, and Sprint Cup at Sears Point. Whatever way NASCAR would want to do this would be fine with me.
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Do you think NASCAR should return to the Pacific Northwest? Where would be great places to race in the Pacific Northwest?
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Kyle did blame himself on the incident because his spotter said he was clear of McMurray in turn 3, but he got loose coming off which allowed McMurray to close and Kyle still thought he was clear and clipped McMurray and sent himself into the wall.
I'm sure somebody could find a conspiracy on how Kyle Petty missing those 6 races he does for TNT as a way to sort of 'grandfather' him out of his seat.
But still, ESPN's NASCAR coverage is still ****, no matter how many former drivers/crew chiefs they have to half-ass analyze the races. PRN/MRN radio ftw.
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OK my thoughts on recent events and topics in this thread
NASCAR COT
I use to like the COT but hate it now. It's safer, and that's the only good thing about it.
It was suppose to create better racing by not being so aero sensitive but the results have shown that hasn't happend and it probably won't.
It looks like Craftsman pickup truck when looking at it from the front beause of how high and flat the hood is, the splitter and rear wing is very ugly. The cars don't look fast and racey like the nationwide/former cup cars, instead they look like, yep, taxi cabs.
Hopefully soon NASCAR will transfer all the safety advances to a new, better looking car. Maybe sell all the old Sprint Cup COT cars to the nationwide series and let them use it
TNT Commentators
I thought Bill Weber, Kyle Petty and Wally Dallenbach did a good job calling the race. They aren't as good as FOX's commentators but who is? I've always enjoyed Kyle Petty's commentary since he started maybe 10 years ago when I first heard him call an Arca Daytona race. Sadly I think he may be better at commentary then driving.
Bob Jenkins needs to come back. I noticed he is on the radio calling IRL races nowadays. That's sad, he should be in the booth for the IRL or NASCAR races.
Another point is that TNT doesn't need to show 90 minutes worth of prerace for a race at Pocono.
Montoya's Fire
I felt bad for Montoya, he avoided something like 3 wrecks in tha one race until Clint Boyer got him.
If the safety crew who was nearby and did nothing were indeed laughing they should be fired. I can understand being like a dear caught in headlights but to laugh...they should be fired.
Which track is more boring, Pocono or Loudon
I would say Pocono but both of them are by far more exciting them some of NASCAR's most boring tracks like Kansas. If I were to get rid of some tracks on the NASCAR schedule Pocono and Loudon would stay.
NASCAR and the Pacific Northwest
Are there any ovals up there? I don't see the Sprint Cup series going up there for a road course race unless the fanbase is really bad up there and they need a road race to generate some excitement.
NASCAR COT
I use to like the COT but hate it now. It's safer, and that's the only good thing about it.
It was suppose to create better racing by not being so aero sensitive but the results have shown that hasn't happend and it probably won't.
It looks like Craftsman pickup truck when looking at it from the front beause of how high and flat the hood is, the splitter and rear wing is very ugly. The cars don't look fast and racey like the nationwide/former cup cars, instead they look like, yep, taxi cabs.
Hopefully soon NASCAR will transfer all the safety advances to a new, better looking car. Maybe sell all the old Sprint Cup COT cars to the nationwide series and let them use it
TNT Commentators
I thought Bill Weber, Kyle Petty and Wally Dallenbach did a good job calling the race. They aren't as good as FOX's commentators but who is? I've always enjoyed Kyle Petty's commentary since he started maybe 10 years ago when I first heard him call an Arca Daytona race. Sadly I think he may be better at commentary then driving.
Bob Jenkins needs to come back. I noticed he is on the radio calling IRL races nowadays. That's sad, he should be in the booth for the IRL or NASCAR races.
Another point is that TNT doesn't need to show 90 minutes worth of prerace for a race at Pocono.
Montoya's Fire
I felt bad for Montoya, he avoided something like 3 wrecks in tha one race until Clint Boyer got him.
If the safety crew who was nearby and did nothing were indeed laughing they should be fired. I can understand being like a dear caught in headlights but to laugh...they should be fired.
Which track is more boring, Pocono or Loudon
I would say Pocono but both of them are by far more exciting them some of NASCAR's most boring tracks like Kansas. If I were to get rid of some tracks on the NASCAR schedule Pocono and Loudon would stay.
NASCAR and the Pacific Northwest
Are there any ovals up there? I don't see the Sprint Cup series going up there for a road course race unless the fanbase is really bad up there and they need a road race to generate some excitement.
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Here is something I looked up on the editorial I did:
* Tracks in Oregon: http://www.racereview.com/oregon.htm <<< fails to realize that Portland International Raceway is a road course and not just a drag strip.
* Tracks in Washington: http://www.racereview.com/washington.htm
* http://www.mphmotorsports.com/state or.htm
Or if you want to push the envelope a bit more...
* http://www.racereview.com/alaska.htm (tracks in Alaska, but only North Star Speedway is the only Asphalt Oval)
So there are SOME venues NASCAR could visit if there was a viable market for NASCAR in the Pacific Northwest. The Pacific Northwest also includes most of British Columbia, so if there are any good Canadian venues, that would be fine as well. They'll likely stay within the lower 48.
* Tracks in Oregon: http://www.racereview.com/oregon.htm <<< fails to realize that Portland International Raceway is a road course and not just a drag strip.
* Tracks in Washington: http://www.racereview.com/washington.htm
* http://www.mphmotorsports.com/state or.htm
Or if you want to push the envelope a bit more...
* http://www.racereview.com/alaska.htm (tracks in Alaska, but only North Star Speedway is the only Asphalt Oval)
So there are SOME venues NASCAR could visit if there was a viable market for NASCAR in the Pacific Northwest. The Pacific Northwest also includes most of British Columbia, so if there are any good Canadian venues, that would be fine as well. They'll likely stay within the lower 48.
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- why waste the money
Unfortunatly there isn't a venue big enough in BC to host the big show, NASCAR has purchased CASCAR and is running across Canada. I think that this will be the closes we will get.
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Former Female NASCAR Official, who is black, is suing NASCAR for $250 million
I'm sure alot of if not all she said is true, but c'mon, $250,000,000?
I've been called similiar racial names by co workers, had my religion harrassed, and even had my life threatened which the supervisor ignored when I talked to him about it. What happened to me at my previous place of employment wasn't too far off what happened to her. But do you see me crying for $250,000,000?
No, I quit and went on with my life and made sure I would never work somewhere like that again.
Now I'm not saing it is wrong for her to sue, she does deserve something if she was treated that way and supervisors overlooked it, but not 250 million.
It's out of control lawsuits like this that sadly make true victims of color all across the United States look like money hungry losers who use their race to get a hand out when someone attacks them.
She won't get 250 million, NASCAR will settle for alot less, certainly under $10 million, but over the top lawsuits like this make those who really deserve something look bad...If you're going to sue NASCAR sue for a few hundred thousand or million, not a quarter of a billion dollars...
I'm sure it's the lawyer's idea anyway so he can get the most money out of it and the brainless female victim just went along for the ride. I see the lawyer getting more money out of this then her.
So once again I'm sure most if not all these things happened, but $250,000,000 for general harrasement at the work place? No way.
Did they beat her? Did they rape her? Does she have some sort of long lasting physical damage to her body they inflicted on her? No. Those things would be worthy for a high dollar lawsuit, not a bunch of slanderous talk and racially charged comments.
And as I said before I've been a victim of such comments and slander myself, so I know what she went through, but no way in you know what the damage she received emotionally is even worth $1million. If you're waking up a night and having trouble living a normal life because of some bullies at work then you need to grow some thicker skin. And if you are a emotional weakling as she claims she is, then you deserve some money, maybe a few hundred thousand but not a quarter billion for crying out loud
Anyways, NASCAR needs to look into this and make sure it doesn't happen again, maybe putting some strict policies in place. If anything good comes out of this it's the changes NASCAR most likely will make.
Let's face it, when you put a bunch of white ugys together and one black female, all it takes is for one white guy who is racist to start talking some trash and the rest will usually join into the bully effort. With a majority of the fanbase and those behind the scenes being one race, white, minorities will run into this problem because the odds say that in a high percentage of white people there is usually going to be one bad apple who will want to mess with the minority. NASCAR must realize this and start training their employees and supervisors about proper behavior on the work place.
And even better, start hiring more and more minorities as employees.
But in the end you will never solve racism or sexism, it's going to come up again and again, it's up to the victim to report it and then it's up to the supervisor to stop it.
If not, you sue, but not for $250,000,000 unless they paralize you from the neck down
I'm sure alot of if not all she said is true, but c'mon, $250,000,000?
I've been called similiar racial names by co workers, had my religion harrassed, and even had my life threatened which the supervisor ignored when I talked to him about it. What happened to me at my previous place of employment wasn't too far off what happened to her. But do you see me crying for $250,000,000?
No, I quit and went on with my life and made sure I would never work somewhere like that again.
Now I'm not saing it is wrong for her to sue, she does deserve something if she was treated that way and supervisors overlooked it, but not 250 million.
It's out of control lawsuits like this that sadly make true victims of color all across the United States look like money hungry losers who use their race to get a hand out when someone attacks them.
She won't get 250 million, NASCAR will settle for alot less, certainly under $10 million, but over the top lawsuits like this make those who really deserve something look bad...If you're going to sue NASCAR sue for a few hundred thousand or million, not a quarter of a billion dollars...
I'm sure it's the lawyer's idea anyway so he can get the most money out of it and the brainless female victim just went along for the ride. I see the lawyer getting more money out of this then her.
So once again I'm sure most if not all these things happened, but $250,000,000 for general harrasement at the work place? No way.
Did they beat her? Did they rape her? Does she have some sort of long lasting physical damage to her body they inflicted on her? No. Those things would be worthy for a high dollar lawsuit, not a bunch of slanderous talk and racially charged comments.
And as I said before I've been a victim of such comments and slander myself, so I know what she went through, but no way in you know what the damage she received emotionally is even worth $1million. If you're waking up a night and having trouble living a normal life because of some bullies at work then you need to grow some thicker skin. And if you are a emotional weakling as she claims she is, then you deserve some money, maybe a few hundred thousand but not a quarter billion for crying out loud
Anyways, NASCAR needs to look into this and make sure it doesn't happen again, maybe putting some strict policies in place. If anything good comes out of this it's the changes NASCAR most likely will make.
Let's face it, when you put a bunch of white ugys together and one black female, all it takes is for one white guy who is racist to start talking some trash and the rest will usually join into the bully effort. With a majority of the fanbase and those behind the scenes being one race, white, minorities will run into this problem because the odds say that in a high percentage of white people there is usually going to be one bad apple who will want to mess with the minority. NASCAR must realize this and start training their employees and supervisors about proper behavior on the work place.
And even better, start hiring more and more minorities as employees.
But in the end you will never solve racism or sexism, it's going to come up again and again, it's up to the victim to report it and then it's up to the supervisor to stop it.
If not, you sue, but not for $250,000,000 unless they paralize you from the neck down
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I actually thought that TNT's coverage was better than Fox's. Mike Joy's one of the best of all time, but Darrell and Larry tend to seriously drag down Mike's stellar commentary with completely random statements that have nothing to do with the race. They were good from 2001-2004, but now I rate their coverage only slightly better than ESPN, who could be #1 again if Alan Bestwick was in the booth instead of "Dr. Boredom" a.k.a. Jerry Punch. For some reason, watching TNT's coverage was relaxing in a way that even I don't understand.
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