NASCAR Thread.

[Earth]

I think that the race was screwed by qualifying being rained out. Having all the "road course specialists" at the back made it pretty much impossible for them to win the race, and we didn't really seem to see any of the action. There wasn't much of a race story, I didn't think, and while the commentators made repeated reference to the progress through the field of Ambrose & Montoya, we really didn't see much of it. As it was, we had the early race being led by three Hendrick Chevys, and finishing with the JGR Toyotas 1st & 2nd.

So are we going to see anyone consistently challenge JGR for the rest of the season? At the minute I wouldn't bet on anyone other than Kyle Busch for the championship.

As for the repetitions of the crash, I think that ESPN were really struggling to fill the 45 minutes.

Jimmie Johnson can beat Kyle Busch for the Championship. JJ had a top 5 or better going before he had a tire problem that ruined his race.

As for the crash, that's typical media, replaying big crashes over and over. They did it with Kubica's crash, and even Ortelli's LMES crash. I was surprised the Ortelli crash made the major news networks over here like CNN, because the LMES is basicly unknown in the US outside some hardcore motorsport fans.

Also, I think it's unfair to say this crash made so many headlines because it was a NASCAR crash. Notice that we NASCAR fans have not posted a video of it on this forum or anything. However, if a crash like that happened in F1, you would see guys posting the youtube video of it everywhere, just like what happened with Ortelli's and Kubica's crash on this forum. I've yet to see a NASCAR crash get as much publicity on this forum as other so called less crash happy motorsports.

Whose idea was to put Michael McDowell in a cup car with only a year or so of general stock car experience?

I don't know, but he represents a general problem with NASCAR today, too many guys are skipping time in the Nationwide series and are going straight to cup.

Dario Franchitti, Sam Hornish Jr, and more could have benefited tremendously by running the Nationwide Series full time for a season or two before entering the Cup Series.

Guys like Mark Martin, Dale Jr, Martin Truex Jr, Greg Biffle etc etc, these are guys who spent considerable time in the Nationwide/ARCA Series before moving up to cup, and it help them considerably.

You got owners like Jack Roush putting guys like David Ragen into a Cup car with some truck experience, then when he crashes in a fireball in the Cup Series you try and backpedal and run him in Nationwide races as well. Roush should have had a veteran drive the 6 car until Ragen was done putting in his time in the Nationwide series.

I'm going to tell you the next big mistake will be when Joe Gibbs puts Joey Logano in the 20 car next season.

Why rush him? He's only 18 years old. Running the Nationwide cars next year full time won't hurt him but only will help him. Sending him straight to the cup series with so little experience at this level can be harmful to his confidence when things go bad, not if.

 

[TS]

I don't know, but he represents a general problem with NASCAR today, too many guys are skipping time in the Nationwide series and are going straight to cup.

Dario Franchitti, Sam Hornish Jr, and more could have benefited tremendously by running the Nationwide Series full time for a season or two before entering the Cup Series.

Absolutely, the more track time the drivers that have come to NASCAR from open wheel would help them no doubt. Montoya ran about 3/4 of a season in the Nationwide series (which is more than both Franchitti and Hornish) and it has helped him considerably.

You got owners like Jack Roush putting guys like David Ragen into a Cup car with some truck experience, then when he crashes in a fireball in the Cup Series you try and backpedal and run him in Nationwide races as well. Roush should have had a veteran drive the 6 car until Ragen was done putting in his time in the Nationwide series.

Roush was in a pretty big bind with the 6 car. He needed a driver to fill that seat when Mark Martin left for what was then Ginn Racing (which is now part of DEI) and the only other driver, to my knowledge that was available would've been Casey Mears, but he was already signed with Hendrick at that point. Ragan was going to run Nationwide anyway in 2007, regardless if he was driving the 6 in cup or not.

I'm going to tell you the next big mistake will be when Joe Gibbs puts Joey Logano in the 20 car next season.

Why rush him? He's only 18 years old. Running the Nationwide cars next year full time won't hurt him but only will help him. Sending him straight to the cup series with so little experience at this level can be harmful to his confidence when things go bad, not if.

True, plus Logano is quite aggressive, and he won't be making too many friends if he doesn't learn how to keep himself calm during races, which is something he'll learn in a season or 2 in the Nationwide cars.

Honestly, JGR has probably missed out on signing 2-3 good drivers, they missed out on Ryan Newman, they missed out on Casey Mears, and the surely missed out by letting Tony Stewart buy his 50% share of Haas-CNC racing.

 

[RACECAR]

Absolutely, the more track time the drivers that have come to NASCAR from open wheel would help them no doubt. Montoya ran about 3/4 of a season in the Nationwide series (which is more than both Franchitti and Hornish) and it has helped him considerably.

He also did some ARCA races too in the 39 car if I recall.

Whose idea was to put Michael McDowell in a cup car with only a year or so of general stock car experience?

Actually, he has 2 years of Stock car experiance plus one year of the trucks.

I'm going to tell you the next big mistake will be when Joe Gibbs puts Joey Logano in the 20 car next season.

Why rush him? He's only 18 years old. Running the Nationwide cars next year full time won't hurt him but only will help him. Sending him straight to the cup series with so little experience at this level can be harmful to his confidence when things go bad, not if.

If I'm not mistaken, he actually was in The Nascar Camping World East series for an entire season before he came to the Nationwide series(saw every one of the races). He's got more experience then just the few Nationwide races he did, including tw oseasons of Hooters Pro Cup, and some ARCA. Also, I think Mark Martin would disagree with you as this is what he said: "I am high on Joey Logano because I am absolutely, 100-percent positive, without a doubt that he can be one of the greatest that ever raced in NASCAR. I'm positive. There's no doubt in mind." He talked positive things about Matt Kenseth and looked what happened.

Honestly, JGR has probably missed out on signing 2-3 good drivers, they missed out on Ryan Newman, they missed out on Casey Mears, and the surely missed out by letting Tony Stewart buy his 50% share of Haas-CNC racing.

How did they do that? They didn't know until he told them he was leaving.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Absolutely, the more track time the drivers that have come to NASCAR from open wheel would help them no doubt. Montoya ran about 3/4 of a season in the Nationwide series (which is more than both Franchitti and Hornish) and it has helped him considerably.



Roush was in a pretty big bind with the 6 car. He needed a driver to fill that seat when Mark Martin left for what was then Ginn Racing (which is now part of DEI) and the only other driver, to my knowledge that was available would've been Casey Mears, but he was already signed with Hendrick at that point. Ragan was going to run Nationwide anyway in 2007, regardless if he was driving the 6 in cup or not.



True, plus Logano is quite aggressive, and he won't be making too many friends if he doesn't learn how to keep himself calm during races, which is something he'll learn in a season or 2 in the Nationwide cars.

Honestly, JGR has probably missed out on signing 2-3 good drivers, they missed out on Ryan Newman, they missed out on Casey Mears, and the surely missed out by letting Tony Stewart buy his 50% share of Haas-CNC racing.

I think that promoting youngsters before they're ready is endemic in all motorsports. I think that top-line series (F1, NASCAR, IndyCar, V8 Supercar etc) should have minimum age limits. Primarily because team owners are looking outside of the established feeder network, and it's cutting off the natural ladder.

I think that Joe Gibbs underestimated how close to Chevy Tony Stewart was. Whilst it was undoubtedly a great decision for him to switch to Toyota for '08, he alienated one of his drivers. If Busch hadn't been in the other car, '08 would have been quite torrid for JGR.

 

[JohnBM01]

Next on the Sprint Cup menu is Brooklyn... Brooklyn, Michigan; that is. You know, where NASCAR usually races on the weekend of the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Since I've gotten no responses to my little debate, let's look forward to Michigan. Or here's another question I'd like to ask:

Name as many racers as you can as to who in the current Top 12 will miss out on the Chase for the Cup,

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Name as many racers as you can as to who in the current Top 12 will miss out on the Chase for the Cup,

Current top 20. My Chase picks in Bold

1 Kyle Busch 3254
2 Carl Edwards 3012
3 Jimmie Johnson 3010
4 D.Earnhardt Jr. 2985
5 Jeff Burton 2945
6 Jeff Gordon 2754
7 Tony Stewart 2744
8 Kasey Kahne 2713
9 Denny Hamlin 2689
10 Greg Biffle 2689
11 Kevin Harvick 2670
12 Matt Kenseth 2628
13 Clint Bowyer 2606
14 David Ragan 2539
15 Ryan Newman 2424
16 Martin Truex Jr. 2419
17 Brian Vickers 2418
18 Kurt Busch 2269
19 Jamie McMurray 2231
20 Elliott Sadler 2159

 

[TS]

If I'm not mistaken, he actually was in The Nascar Camping World East series for an entire season before he came to the Nationwide series(saw every one of the races). He's got more experience then just the few Nationwide races he did, including tw oseasons of Hooters Pro Cup, and some ARCA. Also, I think Mark Martin would disagree with you as this is what he said: "I am high on Joey Logano because I am absolutely, 100-percent positive, without a doubt that he can be one of the greatest that ever raced in NASCAR. I'm positive. There's no doubt in mind." He talked positive things about Matt Kenseth and looked what happened.

Kenseth was picked up to be Bill Elliott's substitute driver, but he got that ride with roush because he did so well filling in for Elliott. (I think he finished 7th)

IMO, JGR should put Logano in a cup ride in a race this season before they choose to put him in full time.

How did they do that? They didn't know until he told them he was leaving.

Coach Gibbs and J.D. should've had that in the back of their mind when they made the switch from GM to Toyota in the off season, knowing how loyal Stewart is with GM, they probably would've had a decision made by now.

Name as many racers as you can as to who in the current Top 12 will miss out on the Chase for the Cup,

1. Kyle Busch - IN
2. Carl Edwards - IN
3. Jimmie Johnson - IN
4. Dale Jr. - IN
5. Jeff Burton - IN
6. Jeff Gordon - IN
7. Tony Stewart - IN
8. Greg Biffle - IN
9. Matt Kenseth - IN
10. Kevin Harvick - IN
11. Kasey Kahne - IN (almost misses it)
12. David Ragan - IN (just squeaks in)

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Denny Hamlin - OUT (doesn't run terribly well compared to other chase contenders at the tracks leading up to the chase except Richmond)
Clint Bowyer - OUT (his lack of consistency and good finishes will keep him out)
Ryan Newman - OUT (too focused on his future than what he needs to do in the present)
Brian Vickers - OUT () (his recent run of bad luck will keep him out)
Martin Truex Jr. - OUT (the penalty at Daytona took him out)

 

[RACECAR]

Ryan Newman - OUT (too focused on his future than what he needs to do in the present)

Wouldn't say that now: Ryan Joins Stewart-Haas

 

[TS]

Wouldn't say that now: Ryan Joins Stewart-Haas

He will still have that in the back of his mind through Homestead.

 

[RACECAR]

Carl Edwards won the Nationwide series race. Looks like we still have yet to see how bad the restrictors affect the Toyotas as they still looked fast here. You have to wonder if all that Horsepower reduction did was just give them better traction because I've seen plenty times where they got a run and just went sailing away and also noticed they all looked solid while the the others were sliding a little bit.

 

[TS]

The word in the garage is that Toyota have found most, if not all of that 15HP that was taken away from them by the reduction in the size of the spacer plate.

And one of the Gibbs cars got busted in post race inspection at the dyno for having magnets attached to the gas pedal in a (supposed) effort to post a false number on the dyno so that Toyota wouldn't be subject to another horsepower reduction.

 

[RACECAR]

The word in the garage is that Toyota have found most, if not all of that 15HP that was taken away from them by the reduction in the size of the spacer plate.

And one of the Gibbs cars got busted in post race inspection at the dyno for having magnets attached to the gas pedal in a (supposed) effort to post a false number on the dyno so that Toyota wouldn't be subject to another horsepower reduction.

Hmmm, I wonder if it was the #20.

 

[TS]

Hmmm, I wonder if it was the #20.

Apparently both cars had magnets under the throttle pedal.

And, congratulations to Carl Edwards, the winner of today's Sprint Cup race at Michigan. It's Edwards' 5th win of the season.

 

[JohnBM01]

Jeff Gordon's campaign to stay alive in the Top 12 is dwindling badly. He finished 42nd after having some contact with the outside wall out of... Turn 2 or Turn 4. I'm as concerned with Jeff Gordon as any Dale Jr. fan had been when Dale Jr. didn't win a race in a long time. I'm not going to say he's done, but with tracks like Bristol and stuff ahead, it's going to be tough to hang on to race for a championship. Jeff Gordon hasn't won a race yet this season. Maybe the low point of the season was when Jeff Gordon had that big whack of the inside wall at Las Vegas earlier this year. I don't think he's really been right since. Even the best teams have their low points and go on epic slumps. Jeff Gordon has to recover to stay alive in the Top 12. Otherwise, he won't be racing for a championship. An analogy for Jeff Gordon is that he's like an NFL team trying to stay alive in the tournament picture if they want their chance to play to be in the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl.

Speaking of trying to stay alive...



John's Debate! - Throwing in the Towel?
One driver (I believe it was Denny Hamlin) had a rough time at Michigan. What was said stunned a few people when (this driver) said, "we don't deserve to be in the Chase." This kind of attitude would get you benched if it was any traditional stick-and-ball sport. So if you were to give this driver a pep talk, how would you pep talk a Sprint Cup driver who says that the team or driver doesn't belong in the Chase for the Cup? Do you really think he meant that? What kind of punishment (if any) would you hand down a driver who isn't serious about campaigning for the Chase for the Cup? Or perhaps do you think this is a sign of someone hating the Chase format and wanting to go back to the old system?



Debate away.

 

[RACECAR]

I was quite surprised and abit disgusted. His crew works hard Night and Day and this is the gratitude they get? I thought Kyle's comments at Darlington were childish, but hamlin's is just inconcieveably Ungrateful.

 

[TS]

John's Debate! - Throwing in the Towel?
One driver (I believe it was Denny Hamlin) had a rough time at Michigan. What was said stunned a few people when (this driver) said, "we don't deserve to be in the Chase." This kind of attitude would get you benched if it was any traditional stick-and-ball sport. So if you were to give this driver a pep talk, how would you pep talk a Sprint Cup driver who says that the team or driver doesn't belong in the Chase for the Cup? Do you really think he meant that? What kind of punishment (if any) would you hand down a driver who isn't serious about campaigning for the Chase for the Cup? Or perhaps do you think this is a sign of someone hating the Chase format and wanting to go back to the old system?

I would tell my driver something that one of my Weight Training coaches used to tell us "Throw away your wishbone, Straighten out your backbone, stick out your jaw bone and give it hell!"

Plus, Hamlin was being hard on himself only because the reporters were sticking cameras and microphones in his face the moment he climbed out of the car. It was pretty obvious that he was pissed off at what had happened and the media took his words out of context thinking that his team isn't pulling for him or whatever, but I don't think any of those media members would be too happy if they were interviewed after having a rough day in the office.

I was quite surprised and abit disgusted. His crew works hard Night and Day and this is the gratitude they get? I thought Kyle's comments at Darlington the Bristol race where the COT was debuted were childish, but hamlin's is just inconcieveably Ungrateful.

Fixed.

 

[Earth]

Well it's pretty much a lock Joey Logano will drive the 20 next year in Sprint Cup

I don't like it, he's a skinny 18 year old with no experience on the big fast tracks. I just don't like it.

NASCAR does have an age limit, 18 years old, but that may not be enough.

Maybe they need to be like the NBA which doesn't allow players straight out of high school to the enter the league anymore. Maybe force all new drivers under 21 or those with limited racing experience at a high level/high speed to race a predetermined amount of truck or Nationwide races befor allowing them to compete in the Sprint Cup Series.

NASCAR right now is probably the 2nd most dangerous major motorsport out there behind the IRL, and I can't but help think about Adam Petty among all of this.

 

[Metar]

I didn't get to follow the race, but what happened?

 

[GilesGuthrie]

NASCAR right now is probably the 2nd most dangerous major motorsport out there behind the IRL, and I can't but help think about Adam Petty among all of this.

You're kidding right? NASCAR is way off the most dangerous motorsport out there.

Jeff Gordon's campaign... [snip]

It's not looking good for Jeff, is it? I think he can pull it around, but each year a big 'name' has sat out the Chase.

John's Debate! - Throwing in the Towel?
One driver (I believe it was Denny Hamlin) had a rough time at Michigan. What was said stunned a few people when (this driver) said, "we don't deserve to be in the Chase." This kind of attitude would get you benched if it was any traditional stick-and-ball sport. So if you were to give this driver a pep talk, how would you pep talk a Sprint Cup driver who says that the team or driver doesn't belong in the Chase for the Cup? Do you really think he meant that? What kind of punishment (if any) would you hand down a driver who isn't serious about campaigning for the Chase for the Cup? Or perhaps do you think this is a sign of someone hating the Chase format and wanting to go back to the old system?

Nah, I think he's trying to motivate the team. In my experience of watching NASCAR, the drivers are generally not the most eloquent out there, and when it comes to making comments like this, I think they don't express themselves perfectly, and leave themselves open to a lot of misinterpretation.

That said, Denny must have been really depressed after Michigan, where he was nowhere. And he's really gone backwards this season. After some dominant performances in the beginning of the year that did not turn into wins, he's struggled a bit recently. Perhaps his team are lagging a little in the development race?

I don't think for one second that he's not serious about competing. I think he's just frustrated at the fact that he started the season competitive, and he's not finishing it that way.

 

[Earth]

On second thought forget it

 

[TS]

Well it's pretty much a lock Joey Logano will drive the 20 next year in Sprint Cup

I don't like it, he's a skinny 18 year old with no experience on the big fast tracks. I just don't like it.

NASCAR does have an age limit, 18 years old, but that may not be enough.

The hullabaloo surrounding young NASCAR phenom Joey Logano is reminiscent of the media mania that engulfed Nashville teenager Casey Atwood nine years ago.

At the time Atwood was breathlessly billed as “NASCAR’s next Jeff Gordon.”

Hopefully Logano’s comet won’t flame out as quickly as Atwood’s.

When Logano won this summer’s race at Kentucky Speedway shortly after his 18th birthday, he replaced Atwood in the record book as the youngest winner in the history of NASCAR’s Nationwide Series.

Logano has been accorded “can’t miss” status in terms of his superstar future.

Atwood was given the same coronation when he came out of Fairgrounds Speedway. He was clean-cut, bright and personable, and a natural-born racer. He became an overnight success in the Busch Series and several top Sprint Cup team owners clamored for his autograph on a contract.

Ray Evernham won – unfortunately, says Atwood today – and in less than two years with Evernham his career was in tatters. It has never recovered.

“Do I ever look back and think about what might have been? Sure I do,” says Atwood, who spends most of his time fishing and doting on his two young daughters. “It’s hard not to. I had lots of choices (about which team to join) and I made the wrong one.”

Among the prominent team owners who wanted Atwood was Rick Hendrick. Had he gone with Hendrick as a teammate of Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson – and now Dale Earnhardt Jr. – how differently might his career have been? Instead of sitting on the sidelines would he be chasing championships?

“I guess we’ll never know,” says Atwood. “But I’ve never questioned my ability. I almost won two Cup races near the end of my rookie season. But it (the decision to replace him) had already been made by then.”

Evernham never explained his decision. There were reports that he felt Atwood didn’t work well with the media and sponsors.

Atwood has always taken the high road. He says only that he was “surprised and disappointed” by the sudden turn of events.

Atwood hasn’t given up on his racing dream. During the June race at Nashville Superspeedway he practiced the car driven by Greg Biffle, as Biffle pulled double-duty between Nashville and Pocono.

“All I can do is try to keep my name out there and make sure that teams know I’m available,” Atwood says. “I know I can still drive a race car. I just need a chance. There’s going to be a lot of older drivers retiring in the next few years and maybe some jobs will open up.”

The problem is that more hot young drivers like Logano are coming into the sport. For every old veteran who hangs up his helmet, a dozen young leadfoots are jockeying to take his place. Atwood realizes that every day he sits out makes it harder for him to get back in.

“It’s been extremely frustrating,” he says. “I’m still trying to figure out what went wrong.”

Larry Woody is a veteran sportswriter in Nashville and has covered auto racing for almost four decades.

Maybe they need to be like the NBA which doesn't allow players straight out of high school to the enter the league anymore. Maybe force all new drivers under 21 or those with limited racing experience at a high level/high speed to race a predetermined amount of truck or Nationwide races befor allowing them to compete in the Sprint Cup Series.

IMO, that should be the team's responsibility and not NASCAR's, but if it starts getting to the point where all the 18 and 19 year olds start getting plucked from the Busch East series then they should probably step in.

 

[RACECAR]

Some Interesting News for you guys. Changes in place on 09 schedule for the big three series and Ryan Newman to drive #39

 

[RACECAR]

lol, I'm looking at cup practice and I just saw the Cup drivers come running out of the nationwide drivers meeting like its an invasion

 

[TS]

Brad Keselowski is making his presence known as a contender for the Nationwide title, he won last night at Bristol.

 

[RACECAR]

Yep and I'm damn proud Hopefully, Jr can do the same in cup.

 

[RACECAR]

I Just found out that Casey Mears will take over the #07 car and Clint Bowyer will be in the #33 General Mills car.

 

[JohnBM01]

My man Carl Edwards won at Bristol. What happened afterwards was a dejected Kyle Busch who rammed into the side of Carl Edwards a bit. Carl Edwards gave Kyls Busch what his ass deserved for being a fool and a poor sport. Remember when I had my Finish the Sentence regarding when Kyle Busch in F1, and I said that F1 should be screwed for life until people told me that F1 would have the most intriguing driver, and that I failed to regard racing talent? He can drive a race car, but that young punk mentality really lessens my view of him. Even Carl Edwards said that he's not apologizing for what he did because he says Kyle knows what he did. It's vigilante justice.

That's what I like about Carl Edwards. He's just out there in command of his business and races very well. My respect of Carl Edwards has gradually grown and grown over time. This moment after the race surely ties into how there seems to be a full moon every night race at Bristol. This one was no different. So begins my debate:



John's Debate! - Memorable Bristol Moments
Discuss some of your most memorable moments with NASCAR at Bristol.


Here's mine:

I still remember watching the Bristol race in 1999 when it was Texas' own Terry LaBonte vs. Dale Earnhardt Sr. in the closing laps. LaBonte would be spun out by the black #3 GoodWrench Monte Carlo as Dale Sr. would win. The 47-year old (at that time) admitted that he didn't want to spin out Terry LaBonte. The Bristol fans let him know how they felt about LaBonte getting spun out. It's the moment that really sticks with me in regards to NASCAR at Bristol.

A few years ago, Jeff Gordon was either spun out or got whacked on the track. I think it was Kyle Busch who pulled off this bit of tomfoolery. Jeff Gordon basically shoved the crap out of that guy. This moment, however, is maybe the most memorable day race at Bristol moment.



So what are your ideas?

 

[Syxx_Killer]

My man Carl Edwards won at Bristol. What happened afterwards was a dejected Kyle Busch who rammed into the side of Carl Edwards a bit. Carl Edwards gave Kyls Busch what his ass deserved for being a fool and a poor sport. Remember when I had my Finish the Sentence regarding when Kyle Busch in F1, and I said that F1 should be screwed for life until people told me that F1 would have the most intriguing driver, and that I failed to regard racing talent? He can drive a race car, but that young punk mentality really lessens my view of him. Even Carl Edwards said that he's not apologizing for what he did because he says Kyle knows what he did. It's vigilante justice.

That's what I like about Carl Edwards. He's just out there in command of his business and races very well. My respect of Carl Edwards has gradually grown and grown over time. This moment after the race surely ties into how there seems to be a full moon every night race at Bristol. This one was no different.

I couldn't agree more.

Bristol is my favorite oval track. I didn't sit and watch the race end-to-end, but I left the TV on while I did other stuff. I watched the last 35 laps and was really glad Edwards won. What Kyle Busch did didn't surprise me at all. I am sure rootin for Edwards to get the cup this year. It's sure going to be interesting to see what Busch and Edwards have in store for each other after last night's race.

 

[TS]

My man Carl Edwards won at Bristol. What happened afterwards was a dejected Kyle Busch who rammed into the side of Carl Edwards a bit. Carl Edwards gave Kyls Busch what his ass deserved for being a fool and a poor sport. Remember when I had my Finish the Sentence regarding when Kyle Busch in F1, and I said that F1 should be screwed for life until people told me that F1 would have the most intriguing driver, and that I failed to regard racing talent? He can drive a race car, but that young punk mentality really lessens my view of him. Even Carl Edwards said that he's not apologizing for what he did because he says Kyle knows what he did. It's vigilante justice.

That's what I like about Carl Edwards. He's just out there in command of his business and races very well. My respect of Carl Edwards has gradually grown and grown over time. This moment after the race surely ties into how there seems to be a full moon every night race at Bristol. This one was no different. So begins my debate:



John's Debate! - Memorable Bristol Moments
Discuss some of your most memorable moments with NASCAR at Bristol.


Here's mine:

I still remember watching the Bristol race in 1999 when it was Texas' own Terry LaBonte vs. Dale Earnhardt Sr. in the closing laps. LaBonte would be spun out by the black #3 GoodWrench Monte Carlo as Dale Sr. would win. The 47-year old (at that time) admitted that he didn't want to spin out Terry LaBonte. The Bristol fans let him know how they felt about LaBonte getting spun out. It's the moment that really sticks with me in regards to NASCAR at Bristol.

A few years ago, Jeff Gordon was either spun out or got whacked on the track. I think it was Kyle Busch who pulled off this bit of tomfoolery. Jeff Gordon basically shoved the crap out of that guy. This moment, however, is maybe the most memorable day race at Bristol moment.



So what are your ideas?

Kyle Busch is just a sore loser, its as simple as that.

Something that did puzzle me is the "Mr. Ed" crack he did in the interview, somebody please tell me since when has Carl Edwards looked like a horse?

 

[Lee]

Man, Carl, bit of 'Roid Rage there buddy?

Kyle Busch, as always, 👎