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Gosh, I've been losing respect for some of my favortie drivers as of late. First Clint for his moronic comment, then Hamlin for his damn ungrateful comment, and now Kyle Busch for his whiny excuse. Turnabout's fair play loser:grumpy:
 


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Karma Busch a good driver? Give me a ****ing break! 👎
 


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You saw that too, huh? He needs to STFU. I've never been so disgusted with him as I am now. All he accomplished this year doesn't even matter to me anymore. He's not a punk, he's worse.
 
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Even announcers have been talking about how the fans in the grand stands cheered for Carl spinning out Kyle Busch. If Kyle Busch still ends up winning a championship, will you still celebrate him for doing what matters most- winning races? Or would your thoughts of his personality overshadow his racing ability?
 
Edwards didn't even bother to pass Busch cleanly for the lead of the race. Whereas when Edwards was bottled up behind Montoya (why?) Busch went straight through as if both cars were lapped traffic.

Of course the fans were cheering the tomfoolery on the slowing down lap. It doesn't matter who was hitting whom, fans love a bit of needle, especially right at the end of a race when there's probably quite a lot of beer involved.

I can't quite work it out, but there's definitely something about Carl Edwards that I don't like.

I was surprised by the comments of the #48 crew. Chad Knaus was quoted as saying "Jimmie just can't race here and I just can't set up a car here, so we try to get through it to next week". Seemed a bit odd to be throwing in the towel so early. I got the feeling that they couldn't really have cared any less when he went 13 laps down.

Here's hoping Kasey Kahne has a good run at Fontana.
 
So Joey Logano at the #20 next season and Sorenson jumping ships to Gillette-Evernham!

I've seen only a couple of Nationwide races with Logano in and... I dunno, he seems rather consistant but outright speed? I think the jury is still out on that one for me.

As for Sorenson, atleast he's now part of the leading Dodge team, Ganassi seems like a sinking ship. It's still unknow wether he is taking the #10 from Carpentier or if GEM will field a 4th car.

Sorenson at GEM.

Logano at JGR.
 
Anyone care to speculate about Fontana (or what some call "Fontucky") this weekend?
 
Edwards didn't even bother to pass Busch cleanly for the lead of the race. Whereas when Edwards was bottled up behind Montoya (why?) Busch went straight through as if both cars were lapped traffic.

Typical Bristol, if you can't beat a guy on speed, beat him with your front bumper, and with the COT making passing incredibly difficult Edwards didn't have much of a choice if he wanted to lead.

I was surprised by the comments of the #48 crew. Chad Knaus was quoted as saying "Jimmie just can't race here and I just can't set up a car here, so we try to get through it to next week". Seemed a bit odd to be throwing in the towel so early. I got the feeling that they couldn't really have cared any less when he went 13 laps down.

Surprising considering how JJ runs quite well at Dover (which is Bristol on 'roids).

Bee
I've seen only a couple of Nationwide races with Logano in and... I dunno, he seems rather consistant but outright speed? I think the jury is still out on that one for me.

Logano is extremely talented, but has 0 experience in a cup car in a race scenario and very little Nationwide experience plus the fact that he's never driven on 75% of the tracks on the Cup and Nationwide schedule isn't helping his cause either.

I hope Gibbs' backup plan is good, because I think we'll see another David Ragan '07 season, except twice as bad.

Bee
As for Sorenson, atleast he's now part of the leading Dodge team, Ganassi seems like a sinking ship. It's still unknow wether he is taking the #10 from Carpentier or if GEM will field a 4th car.

I think he'll probably take Carpentier's #10 ride, because GEM needs another young & talented driver in their stable that they can sell to sponsors and the fact that Sorenson has already proven himself to be quite the driver already it'll be even easier.

I have a strong feeling that the rumors of a possible merger between Ganassi and MWR are becoming true, because both teams are in financial holes, and are both struggling. And with the depth and resources that a team like Ganassi has and the factory support from Toyota that MWR has it appears to be a win-win situation.

Anyone care to speculate about Fontana (or what some call "Fontucky") this weekend?

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Well now that I'm calmed down, I just never liked bristol and this is why. One guy can't get around on speed so he has to give the other the chrome fender. Then comes the Wrecking and the fans just go nuts like bunch of animals. I despise bristol quite possibly more then I do Martinsville. I guess I'll never like Short track racing like everyone else seems to. They are huge wreckfests to me and are very little racing.


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If Kyle Busch still ends up winning a championship, will you still celebrate him for doing what matters most- winning races? Or would your thoughts of his personality overshadow his racing ability?

While I don't like his attitude, I'll give him credit where its due should that happen. Hell, infact I retract my comment earlier about his accomplishments as he hasn't had to spin anyone out to get all the wins he got in all the equipment he has had unlike a certain driver Most fans bow down to all the time.
 
Post #1,000 in this thread goes to me! Ha ha! :lol:

Anyhow, I think some drivers will need to have the races of their lives to stay in the Chase for the Cup. Bristol is basically a wreck-fest waiting to happen. While I like Bristol, it's the last place I'd want to race to save a chance to compete for the Sprint Cup. California Superspeedway is a very fast course. I still think of (then) CART racing this track (including the horrific death of Greg Moore when I saw the 1999 race). A number of Californians will be coming home including Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson. California is known as the Golden State. And especially for Jeff Gordon, he'll need to be golden to stay alive in the championship chase. I think Jimmie Johnson's just fine in the Chase, but I'd love to see the #24 emerge like the legendary Phoenix and have a second wind to make a come-from-behind run to the championship. NASCAR Cup title #5 sounds tempting, eh, Jeff [Gordon]?
 
This just got interesting:

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NASCAR SPRINT CUP 第19戦シカゴランドが、来る7月20日に放送されます。 いよいよチェイス進出のプレーオフも押し迫ってきましたが


While I can't translate what it says(Babelfish doesn't help one bit either), The fact that it says "NASCAR SPRINT CUP" Caught my eye. Could this mean a return? I'm not jumping to conclusions just yet, but I'm very excited at the idea of a return. Also, I think now would be an awesome time for Casey Atwood to come back. He's made a few races this year, but With two empty seats in the Nationwide series for 09(that of the #92 Zippo Blu Toyota and the #22 Supercuts Dodge), He could revitalize his Stock car career.
 
Fukuyama Hideo is about... 49 years old or so (I think he was 42 or 43 when he raced in... was it 2002?). I want to say I know about him in NASCAR, but can't remember exactly. I know Fukuyama better in the Super GT series. I can recall him racing for one of the GT300 Porsche teams in Super GT back earlier this decade. If he wants to come along and give Japanese flair to good old American stock car racing, let him. I'm not going to be on some sort of uproar like people did when people thought Juan Pablo Montoya was going to fuel a Latin Invation into NASCAR. I wish him all the best if he decides to come back to the States and go racing in NASCAR.
 
Well unless Elliot Sadler has given up on the season, I fail to see how Fukuyama can nab the drive. Elliot's done a decent-ish job of late.
 
Bee
Well unless Elliot Sadler has given up on the season, I fail to see how Fukuyama can nab the drive. Elliot's done a decent-ish job of late.
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While I can't translate what it says(Babelfish doesn't help one bit either), The fact that it says "NASCAR SPRINT CUP" Caught my eye. Could this mean a return? I'm not jumping to conclusions just yet, but I'm very excited at the idea of a return. Also, I think now would be an awesome time for Casey Atwood to come back. He's made a few races this year, but With two empty seats in the Nationwide series for 09(that of the #92 Zippo Blu Toyota and the #22 Supercuts Dodge), He could revitalize his Stock car career.

JohnBM01
Fukuyama Hideo is about... 49 years old or so (I think he was 42 or 43 when he raced in... was it 2002?). I want to say I know about him in NASCAR, but can't remember exactly. I know Fukuyama better in the Super GT series. I can recall him racing for one of the GT300 Porsche teams in Super GT back earlier this decade. If he wants to come along and give Japanese flair to good old American stock car racing, let him. I'm not going to be on some sort of uproar like people did when people thought Juan Pablo Montoya was going to fuel a Latin Invation into NASCAR. I wish him all the best if he decides to come back to the States and go racing in NASCAR.


Seeing as we didn't mention him once, might I ask what Elliot Sadler has to do with this conversation?





Also, Carl Edwards and Kyle Busch have been put on probation for six races. Now this becomes interesting as you have to wonder who will fill in for them and when the chase begins, how bad it'll affect them. An even more interesting thing is that both will be in the Nationwide race this weekend so this could be bad if they come together.
 
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Also, Carl Edwards and Kyle Busch have been put on probation for six races. Now this becomes interesting as you have to wonder who will fill in for them and when the chase begins, how bad it'll affect them. An even more interesting thing is that both will be in the Nationwide race this weekend so this could be bad if they come together.

Probation is different than suspension, you have the 2 confused.
 
TS
Probation is different than suspension, you have the 2 confused.
Thanks for correcting me on that. That must mean they will race in the next races so exactly what have they been put on probation from?
 
Not once have I mentioned Elliot Sadler in my previous post.

Carl Edwards and Kyle Busch are both on six weeks probation. Like sports go, it's usually the one who retaliates who gets into trouble as much as the other party. This could escalate somewhere between this weekend's race and the Chase. I don't care about ratings all because of a new rivalry. This just means that the Ky. Busch vs. Edwards deal is now more intense. Could be a blockbuster hit at California if things escalate there between these two youngsters.
 
Seeing as we didn't mention him once, might I ask what Elliot Sadler has to do with this conversation?

Well..

NASCAR SPRINT CUP 第19戦シカゴランドが、来る7月20日に放送されます。 いよいよチェイス進出のプ レーオフも押し迫ってきましたが

I was just mentioning Elliot because he's the current driver of the #19 in the Sprint Cup.
 
Thanks for correcting me on that. That must mean they will race in the next races so exactly what have they been put on probation from?

Usually probation means that any further incidents would be treated more seriously than before. It's a fancy way of saying "If you're naughty again I'm gonna kick your ass".
 
Bee
I was just mentioning Elliot because he's the current driver of the #19 in the Sprint Cup.
That 19 doesn't necessarily mean Elliot Sadler's car, it could reffering to something else.
 
Thanks for correcting me on that. That must mean they will race in the next races so exactly what have they been put on probation from?

The Bristol post race incident. (Kyle Busch for starting it, Edwards for finishing it)

That 19 doesn't necessarily mean Elliot Sadler's car, it could reffering to something else.

Yep, Sadler's contract with Evernham runs through 2010, and it looks like Carpentier is out of the 10 and will be replaced by Sorenson.
 
TS
Yep, Sadler's contract with Evernham runs through 2010, and it looks like Carpentier is out of the 10 and will be replaced by Sorenson.

At the moment, they are actually trying to bring a fourth car and put together sponsors so that Carpantier remains in the 10. Also I just relized with Reed Sorenson leaving it gives Dario a chance to come back to cup and in a car thats in the top 35 in owners points.


Also, Stephen Leicht will join Jeff Burton as the co-driver of Richard Childress Racing's No. 29 Chevrolet for the 2009 Nationwide Series season.
 
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So based on what he thinks, its not gonna happen. Kind of surprising to hear him in such a non-enthusiastic state.

Some notable things I've seen and heard so far in the Nationwide series Qualifying:

Fitz Patrick racing has interestingly gone to a toyota yet again this weeken as they did in michigan after runnining a Dodge last week and will run it next week at Richmond. Seems like either disperation has them in a indecisive state or they are experamenting.

Its been announced that Micheal Waltrip and Josh Wise will be sharing the #99 car with Reutimann for the 2009 season.

Joey Lagano will be making his cup debut in a #02 car for Hall of Fame racing at richmond
 
Some notable things I've seen and heard so far in the Nationwide series Qualifying:

Fitz Patrick racing has interestingly gone to a toyota yet again this weeken as they did in michigan after runnining a Dodge last week and will run it next week at Richmond. Seems like either disperation has them in a indecisive state or they are experamenting.

They're probably switching to Toyota because Josh Wise is Michael Waltrip's development driver (and you know how Mikey loves his 'Yotas).
 
Kyle busch won the pole and the race with, ironically, Carl Edwards in second. Irony is a hilarious thing. Also, I found this on NASCAR.com:

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The invective chokes the e-mail box like plaque in an artery, gumming the works with antipathy and contempt. He's a girl, he's a crybaby, he's a whiner, he's a jerk, he's arrogant and condescending. He's every type of curse word George Carlin ever uttered. He's a despicable human being. He's a spoiled rotten brat with no good in him. He's a dirty driver and a disgrace to his sport. He has an attitude problem. He needs to be suspended and fined and docked points and fired.
And they're just getting warmed up. Any misstep, whether perceived or real, brings a torrent of criticism down upon Kyle Busch that's so hateful it's depressing. It's difficult to fathom how some people can harbor such malevolent feelings toward someone they've never met, but clearly those folks are out there -- transferring anger over shortcomings or failures in their own lives, perhaps, or maybe unable to manifest their fanaticism in any other way. Whatever the reason, it's sad that so many who dislike the current Sprint Cup points leader have stooped to the level of personal attacks.
Hey, this is America. You can like or dislike any athlete or driver you want. And it's easy to see why some people don't like Busch -- his headstrong driving style can be interpreted as recklessness, his manner in front of the camera can be seen as aloofness, he's (God forbid) traded paint with Dale Earnhardt Jr. He's a successful 23-year-old with a lot of money and a pretty girlfriend, a guy who isn't afraid to mix it up on the racetrack and can sometimes come across as dismissive in public. For fans with a lot of animosity stirring inside them, that's a combustible mixture.
But it's not an excuse for character assassination of the magnitude we're seeing from the lunatic fringes of the anti-Busch brigade, people whose sheer hatred seems to know no bounds. In the wake of last weekend's tiff with Carl Edwards at Bristol, things have blown all out of proportion. Judging from the hundreds of e-mails I've received this week -- a handful of them referenced above -- you'd think the guy had burned a flag on pit road. While I realize that those who write in represent only a small fraction of the NASCAR fan base, it's clear that some people need to grow up. Or seek therapy. Or both.
A little perspective is needed here. In the eyes of some people, Busch can never do anything right. Banging into the back of Jimmie Johnson's car before his comeback win at Chicagoland brings objections that he's cheating, even though guys bump one another every week. Blaming Earnhardt for getting into the back of him at Kansas last year brings complaints that, well, he must have checked up. Running into Edwards on the cool-down lap at Bristol brings a howl of protest, even though some drivers have been applauded for doing the exact same thing. His rather tame comments after the event -- "It's just his normal fashion. That's fine. I've grown to know that now" -- are seen as whining, even though some of his peers might have blown off the interview room all together.Yes, he can be arrogant, as all athletes can be. Yes, it might not hurt to have someone sit down with him and show him videotape of how he comes across on camera sometimes, if that hasn't already happened. But let's not go to extremes here. He was remarkably poised after Juan Montoya intentionally wrecked him in June at New Hampshire, and his no-holds-barred driving style, while no means delicate, has earned him fans. And to the smart alecks out there, yes, Busch has fans -- they're the ones cheering when he does that little bow of his each time he wins a race. And he's won plenty of races, taking 17 checkered flags thus far in NASCAR's three national series combined. This isn't meant to be a defense of Kyle Busch. But it's important to remember that he's only 23, and that his older brother went through many of the same things Kyle is going through now, and that today Kurt is a rather likeable and well-adjusted 30-year-old. While every sport needs a villain -- and, voluntarily or not, Kyle for now has been thrust into that role -- cheering for a favorite driver doesn't necessarily mean you have to dump truckloads of stinging, personal abuse upon the guys you don't like. Despicable? A disgrace? Please. You don't know him well enough to levy those kinds of scurrilous insults. Even those of us in the garage area every week are still trying to figure out who the real Kyle Busch is, other than the helmeted figure who's galvanized viewers and made this season worth watching. So go ahead, boo him if you want -- smartly, Busch has held fast to the belief handed down from Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon, that any noise from the grandstand is better than no noise at all. But at he very least, respect his abilities and what he's able to do on the racetrack. Lost in all the Bristol hubbub was the fantastic pass he made to initially seize the lead, cutting around a cluster of cars slowed by Montoya, who was trying to avoid being lapped. The kid plainly has a breathtaking ability in a racecar, and fearlessness to match. How many drivers would have settled for second with two laps left at Chicagoland? How many other drivers provide the daring and the drama that he does, in a sport where many believe those very things are lacking?
The crude personal attacks convey an almost spiteful blindness to the kid's raw talent, which despite all the conspiracy theorists sitting on the grassy knoll whispering about Toyota horsepower, cannot be discounted. Kyle Busch is very good behind the wheel. He's going to win more races. He remains the top contender for the Sprint Cup championship, and if he claims it, for one year he becomes the face of the sport. Those things are absolutes, and cannot be shot down simply because you'd rather see someone else win. Like him or not, Busch deserves your respect, if for no other reason than the fact he can do things in a racecar that few others can.
Oh yeah, and he's also good for the sport, giving it a pot-stirrer and an antihero in an age when too many drivers look and talk and act the same. Get used to it. At 23, Kyle Busch is going to be around for a long time. And hatred is not healthy to hold on to.

After reading this, I absolutely agree. Hell, I regret saying what I said.
 
So, I was watching ALMS and they had a Nascrap Truck commercial, they featured nothing that resembled racing and everything that resembled well... Destruction Durby. How are you and Nascrap suppose to convince me that you're Nascrap is racing again?
 
After reading this, I absolutely agree. Hell, I regret saying what I said.

Hmm... I'm torn on this whole subject. As it said in that ... novel?... he knocked Johnson out of the way for the win and they said big deal everyone does it. I find it funny after he gets a taste of his own medicine he rams Edwards out of anger and I think Edwards was justified in spinning him out. Other than that I don't know what all the hatred is stemming from other than he wins alot.
 
So, I was watching ALMS and they had a Nascar Truck commercial, they featured nothing that resembled racing and everything that resembled well... Destruction Durby. How are you and Nascar suppose to convince me that you're Nascar is racing again?
So your gonna believe a commercial which promotes the crashes more then the racing instead of actually watching the series to be convinced? Shows how much you and every other NASCAR hater know.
 
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