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Don't ya know there's a curse on Talladega! This weekend will bring some changes in the standings, or perhaps they will all wreck out and it will be a stand still. Just look at the April race with Edwards take off...
And it's Halloween this weekend :scared: :lol: Pray for everyone's safety, they have been getting crazy restrictor plate racing this year. Apparently driver hear voices, see things, and other strange things, read the article, it lists some crazy and tragic happenings.


here is an article 'bout it.


The Talladega......Curse?
WKYT Blog Listing
Topic Author: Crystal "Micki" Lewis
Posted: 2:40 PM Apr 22, 2009

...And the last thing he did before his people left the valley, was to look out over the land and speak a curse on it and all that might come to gather there....

...Or so the last part of the legend goes anyway. Did you know that Talladega Superspeedway supposedly has a curse on it? If not, before we head off to Alabama this weekend for the Aaron's 499, let me enlighten you to this macabre tale of a Native American curse on Nascar's longest track. I found this interesting story told on a few old articles floating around the internet void. Residents of the area near and around Talladega Superspeedway say the track is built on the same ground once occupied by an Indian tribe. So, today, the view from turn two is obscured by a wormhole in time and space, leading to history and legend.....

The time is the early 19th century. The Abihka Tribe of the Creek Indian Confederacy are living in the valley where Talladega Superspeedway will be built. But early American settlers have moved into Alabama. Now, the indians and the settlers are involved in numerous disputes. And these disagreements have led President Andrew Jackson to order the Abihka Tribe to relocate. But these lands are sacred to the Indians. They used to hold horse races here and in one of those races, a great chief was thrown from his mount and killed. Now they're being forced to move. So, as they are leaving, the tribe's medicine man looks back on the valley one more time, and bestows a curse upon it.

That's one version of the legend I found. Another version just says the track is built on an old Indian burial ground. And yet another version I read says that the Indian tribe sent their medicine man to ask Bill France NOT to build the speedway there and when he went ahead and did, the medicine man then put his curse on it. Whatever version you want to go with doesn't matter I guess. They all end up with an apparent curse on Talladega Superspeedway. And if you look back at some of the events that have taken place at the speedway over the years, it might make you question,.....is it true?

Anyone that follows Nascar knows that Talladega is notorious for having "the big one", the one crash that ends up taking out a whole mess of racecars. But I'm not going to focus on all the huge collection of crashes that have occurred over the years. I'm going to mention a couple of course, but Talladega has alot of tragedy and just plain strange happenings associated with it. Here are just a few of the ones I found in no particular order:

1974 - Quite a few of the competitor's cars were apparently sabotaged the night before the race, with cut brake lines, sugar in gas tanks. And the last I read, the culprit has never been found.

1986 - An enthusiastic fan decides to "borrow" the pace car and take a few laps around the track before the race. The start was actually delayed as police chased down the pace car bandit. I wonder if this guy a couple decades later developed a fondness for duct tape.....Do the math I guess.....

I couldn't find a year for this next one or even find out if it indeed true, but either way I found it interesting. One article I read stated that an ARCA car had a close call outrunning a tornado that had decided to touch down on Talladega's backstretch during qualifying. I find that hard to believe, but, it does make an entertaining tale. Okay, back to facts.....

1973 - 60 cars started the race. By lap 11, only 39 were left as a huge wreck took care of 21 cars, including Wendell Scott, one of the first African American Nascar drivers, whose career pretty much ended that day due to the numerous serious injuries he sustained.

Also in 1973 - Bobby Isaac reports that during the race, he heard a voice tell him to get out of the car. He parked it, got out, and apparently never raced again in the Cup series.

At the 2nd race in 1973 - Rookie Larry Brooks was killed in a crash that reportedly didn't appear to be that bad.

1975 - Richard Petty's brother-in-law was killed on pit road when a pressurized water tank exploded.

Fall 1975 - Tiny Lund was killed on a lap 6 crash.

1987 - Bill Elliott sets the fastest qualifying lap ever at just a little over 212 mph. Then in the race, Bobby Allison's car goes airborne from a blown tire and flies into the catchfence in front of a packed grandstand. One part of the car made it through the fence and injured some fans. Because of that wreck, Nascar put on the restrictor plates to slow the cars down.

1993 - Nascar loses Davey Allison as a result of a helicopter crash in the infield.

2009 - Carl Edwards car takes off into the catch fence injuring 9 fans. (My addition to article)

So there you are. Just a few of the tragedies and happenings at Talladega in the last few decades. Sounds more like a Halloween story. Are all these events the result of an age-old curse? I'm not going to give you my opinion on it. I'll just finish it with a quote from a TV show from a few years ago, "the truth...is out there"......I'll just leave it to your imagination. Let us just hope that this Sunday's race is free from any mishap. I don't like to see any driver get hurt, even if I don't like them. I have seen a caution-free Talladega race so it is possible. I think I even have it still on tape somewhere in the dark recesses of my closet.
 
I've heard about this track being built in indian burial grounds. The story with one medicine man trying to convince Bill not to build it there seems plausible enough. Big business always does that so I would not be surprised if it were true.
 
"The Talladega......Curse"?

Is this some kind of Halloween's modern fairytale?
Interesting to read...but it may not real :). And no source :lol:.
 
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Don't ya know there's a curse on Talladega! This weekend will bring some changes in the standings, or perhaps they will all wreck out and it will be a stand still. Just look at the April race with Edwards take off...
And it's Halloween this weekend :scared: :lol: Pray for everyone's safety, they have been getting crazy restrictor plate racing this year. Apparently driver hear voices, see things, and other strange things, read the article, it lists some crazy and tragic happenings.


here is an article 'bout it.


The Talladega......Curse?
WKYT Blog Listing
Topic Author: Crystal "Micki" Lewis
Posted: 2:40 PM Apr 22, 2009

...And the last thing he did before his people left the valley, was to look out over the land and speak a curse on it and all that might come to gather there....

...Or so the last part of the legend goes anyway. Did you know that Talladega Superspeedway supposedly has a curse on it? If not, before we head off to Alabama this weekend for the Aaron's 499, let me enlighten you to this macabre tale of a Native American curse on Nascar's longest track. I found this interesting story told on a few old articles floating around the internet void. Residents of the area near and around Talladega Superspeedway say the track is built on the same ground once occupied by an Indian tribe. So, today, the view from turn two is obscured by a wormhole in time and space, leading to history and legend.....

The time is the early 19th century. The Abihka Tribe of the Creek Indian Confederacy are living in the valley where Talladega Superspeedway will be built. But early American settlers have moved into Alabama. Now, the indians and the settlers are involved in numerous disputes. And these disagreements have led President Andrew Jackson to order the Abihka Tribe to relocate. But these lands are sacred to the Indians. They used to hold horse races here and in one of those races, a great chief was thrown from his mount and killed. Now they're being forced to move. So, as they are leaving, the tribe's medicine man looks back on the valley one more time, and bestows a curse upon it.

That's one version of the legend I found. Another version just says the track is built on an old Indian burial ground. And yet another version I read says that the Indian tribe sent their medicine man to ask Bill France NOT to build the speedway there and when he went ahead and did, the medicine man then put his curse on it. Whatever version you want to go with doesn't matter I guess. They all end up with an apparent curse on Talladega Superspeedway. And if you look back at some of the events that have taken place at the speedway over the years, it might make you question,.....is it true?

Anyone that follows Nascar knows that Talladega is notorious for having "the big one", the one crash that ends up taking out a whole mess of racecars. But I'm not going to focus on all the huge collection of crashes that have occurred over the years. I'm going to mention a couple of course, but Talladega has alot of tragedy and just plain strange happenings associated with it. Here are just a few of the ones I found in no particular order:

1974 - Quite a few of the competitor's cars were apparently sabotaged the night before the race, with cut brake lines, sugar in gas tanks. And the last I read, the culprit has never been found.

1986 - An enthusiastic fan decides to "borrow" the pace car and take a few laps around the track before the race. The start was actually delayed as police chased down the pace car bandit. I wonder if this guy a couple decades later developed a fondness for duct tape.....Do the math I guess.....

I couldn't find a year for this next one or even find out if it indeed true, but either way I found it interesting. One article I read stated that an ARCA car had a close call outrunning a tornado that had decided to touch down on Talladega's backstretch during qualifying. I find that hard to believe, but, it does make an entertaining tale. Okay, back to facts.....

1973 - 60 cars started the race. By lap 11, only 39 were left as a huge wreck took care of 21 cars, including Wendell Scott, one of the first African American Nascar drivers, whose career pretty much ended that day due to the numerous serious injuries he sustained.

Also in 1973 - Bobby Isaac reports that during the race, he heard a voice tell him to get out of the car. He parked it, got out, and apparently never raced again in the Cup series.

At the 2nd race in 1973 - Rookie Larry Brooks was killed in a crash that reportedly didn't appear to be that bad.

1975 - Richard Petty's brother-in-law was killed on pit road when a pressurized water tank exploded.

Fall 1975 - Tiny Lund was killed on a lap 6 crash.

1987 - Bill Elliott sets the fastest qualifying lap ever at just a little over 212 mph. Then in the race, Bobby Allison's car goes airborne from a blown tire and flies into the catchfence in front of a packed grandstand. One part of the car made it through the fence and injured some fans. Because of that wreck, Nascar put on the restrictor plates to slow the cars down.

1993 - Nascar loses Davey Allison as a result of a helicopter crash in the infield.

2009 - Carl Edwards car takes off into the catch fence injuring 9 fans. (My addition to article)

So there you are. Just a few of the tragedies and happenings at Talladega in the last few decades. Sounds more like a Halloween story. Are all these events the result of an age-old curse? I'm not going to give you my opinion on it. I'll just finish it with a quote from a TV show from a few years ago, "the truth...is out there"......I'll just leave it to your imagination. Let us just hope that this Sunday's race is free from any mishap. I don't like to see any driver get hurt, even if I don't like them. I have seen a caution-free Talladega race so it is possible. I think I even have it still on tape somewhere in the dark recesses of my closet.

They forgot the 2 years that Elliot Sadler flipped over on the last lap.

NFL is the bane of society

lolwut?
 
Last night on RAW, Kyle Busch got booed a lot, and talking about how the Buffalo Bills haven't been great since Hulkamania, or something like that. Joey Lagano did okay. Both shown off some lovely "SmackDown vs. RAW" Toyota Camry Nationwide stock cars that will be raced at Texas Motor Speedway in a week or two. As a bonus, there was a specially-designed Randy Orton Toyota Camry stock car... until Kofi Kingston defaced it badly. It was a pretty fun showing for two of NASCAR's young guns.

As for the Talladega Curse thing... all I know is that Talladega can be an evil course when you get 43 stock cars to do high-speed battle. I can't really comment much on that Talladega Curse. All I know is that those in mid-pack for the Chase will need to make their move NOW to avoid having to wait until next season to try to get the title.
 
Last night on RAW, Kyle Busch got booed a lot, and talking about how the Buffalo Bills haven't been great since Hulkamania, or something like that.
So there was a NASCAR driver, in a wrestling event, talking smack about a football team?
My mind has just blown.
 
TS
They forgot the 2 years that Elliot Sadler flipped over on the last lap.

And the 27 & 25 car pileups in '02 and... '05... I think.

EDIT: And one of the... '06 races? Michael Waltrip and Scott Riggs both took some nasty tumbles in two seperate big ones. There were also two or three big ones in a rain delayed race in I believe '07.
 
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Phil Parson in '83, Ken Schrader flips after getting clipped by Gordon in the 1995 Diehard 500. Dale also had that viscious '96 wreck... Badass place, for sure.


Cheers,
Jetboy
 
EDIT: And one of the... '06 races? Michael Waltrip and Scott Riggs both took some nasty tumbles in two seperate big ones. There were also two or three big ones in a rain delayed race in I believe '07.

I think that was '05, when, ironically Riggs was driving a car owned by Waltrip. (iirc)
 
Something else about that '05 race that was odd, Dale Jarrett won that race after running in the back of the pack all race.
 
One thing i find funny about the first crash video, Mark Martin was sponsored by Viagra and the hood of his car went straight up!

And how the hell did Jeff Burton not hit Scott Riggs!!

News from nascar.com

Talladega Superspeedway has been called the "wild-card" in the Chase all postseason. Drivers, crew chiefs, owners and fans have had Nov. 1 circled on the calendar as the event where all cars are created equal. In fact, some think the Amp Energy 500 (Noon ET, ABC) is the best opportunity for a non-Chase driver to steal the spotlight from the championship contenders.

Brad Keselowski certainly did that this spring when he held his line and won his first ever Cup race after tapping Carl Edwards, sending the No. 99 flying into the catchfence. In last year's Chase race, Regan Smith crossed the finish line first for what would have been his first Cup victory only to see the win go to Tony Stewart after it was determined Smith went below the yellow line.

But the reality is, in five Chase races, only two non-Chase drivers have gone to Victory Lane. In 2005, Dale Jarrett took the lead on the final lap and held off Stewart for the victory. And in 2006, Brian Vickers won his first Cup race after some bumpin' and bangin' with Chase drivers Jimmie Johnson and Dale Earnhardt Jr., who both went for a spin.

So while it's possible a non-Chase driver will finally break through, odds are one of the top-12 will collect the wreath.

If there's one reason why Jimmie Johnson and crew chief Chad Knaus are so leery of Talladega Superspeedway -- despite three consecutive championships and a 118-point lead with four races remaining -- one only needs to look back seven years to the 2002 EA Sports 500.

Sunday's Amp Energy 500 will be run on the day after Halloween, but there couldn't have been anything spookier than what happened to Johnson and the rest of the Hendrick Motorsports operation in 2002. Within minutes after the signal for drivers to start their engines -- and before the field even took the green flag -- the race turned into a horror show for the No. 48 Chevrolet team.

Coming into the race, Johnson had an 11-point lead on Mark Martin and was 36 ahead of Tony Stewart, as Jeff Gordon was fourth, 109 behind. And when qualifying was washed out, Johnson and Martin were scheduled to start on the front row. I say scheduled, because while Martin was scrubbing his tires at 70 mph on the pace lap, his steering locked and the No. 6 Ford veered down the banking and directly into Johnson's right front fender just as the cars were crossing the start-finish line.

"It was some kind of hydraulic problem when I turned the wheel hard," Martin said. "It just froze."

Not knowing how severe the problem was, NASCAR officials decided to black-flag Martin, who headed for pit road as the green dropped. Johnson followed one lap later, as Knaus wanted to make sure his car wouldn't incur a one-lap penalty.

"It's just a terrible thing," Knaus said. "We have put our hearts and souls into this thing, and to have something like this happen to cost us a chance at winning a race is really sad."

Under normal circumstances, Martin and Johnson would have had opportunities under cautions to make up the lap they had lost. But that race was anything but normal. A decision to shrink the fuel cells from 22 to 12.5 gallons in an effort to force more pit stops and spread out the field worked too well. Lap after lap went by without a reason to throw the yellow, eventually turning Talladega into the world's fastest fuel economy run.

It also turned out to be murder on Hendrick engines. Gordon, who had led 27 laps early on, suddenly slowed after 125 laps and headed for the garage. He wound up finishing 42nd. He was followed by Ken Schrader and Johnny Benson, teammates for Nelson Bowers' operation, which also used Hendrick horsepower.

The carnage continued when the Hendrick cars of Joe Nemechek and Terry Labonte retired with engine problems. And Johnson's day went from bad to worse when his engine followed suit 15 laps from the finish, saddling him with a 37th-place finish. Unfortunately, Martin's luck was almost as awful. An unscheduled pit stop to change a flat tire cost him another lap to the leaders and he wound up 30th.

The only good thing was that Martin's steering issues never returned.

"We didn't have any cautions, so I didn't have to put the steering in that situation again," he said.

With all three of his closest competitors either well back or already out of the race, Stewart seemed content to sit on Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s rear bumper in the closing laps, pushing him to a one car-length victory. Earnhardt made his final stop on Lap 150, allowing him to complete the final 38 circuits on one tank of fuel, while Stewart stopped one lap later and returned to the track directly behind Junior.

"My hat's off to Tony Stewart for being a good friend and helping me out, sticking behind me," Earnhardt said. "Me and him kind of had our share of disagreements in the Busch Series and we became friends after that.

"We've done a lot of buddying up, partnering up on the race track in the past. We like racing against each other."

With the points lead well in hand, Stewart saw no reason to make a risky move at the end. With his runner-up finish, he led Martin by 72 points, with Johnson dropping to third, 82 points out.

"I never thought about trying to go by Junior," Stewart said. "It's a trust thing that he and I have. I know that if I'm leading the race, he has always stuck with me, and he knows that any time I've been behind him like that late in a race that I've always stuck by him."

How close was Earnhardt's fuel mileage calculation? His engine sputtered and died on pit road, heading for Victory Lane.

"That was close. I think the guys worked real hard figuring gas mileage," Earnhardt said.

With the win, Junior joined Buddy Baker -- the son of another NASCAR racing legend -- as the only drivers to win three consecutive Talladega races. Earnhardt would tack on a fourth the next spring. Stewart, considered NASCAR's bad boy at the time, went on to win the first of his two championships.

So the moral of the story is that one of the top twelve is going to win but it isn't going to be Jimme Johnson.
 
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Honestly, I don't know why anybody would try to pick a winner. Picking the winner at Talladega is like guessing the name of the winner in the super lotto by looking at pictures.
 
Other news in nascar and this comes as a shock for me:

Report from JGR official website via yahoo! sports:

Cementing 2009 as a season to forget for Kyle Busch's No. 18 team, crew chief Steve Addington has been let go as the 18's crew chief, to be replaced by Dave Rogers. Addington will be "reassigned to a position within JGR, which sounds ominous. It's the latest in a head-spinning series of events over two seasons that have sent Kyle Busch pinballing between the top of the standings and out-of-the-Chase disgrace.

Busch spent much of 2008 as the preemptive favorite to unseat then-two-time champion Jimmie Johnson, but as soon as the Chase began, two straight back-of-the-pack finishes doomed his hopes. He entered 2009 with your classic renewed sense of purpose, humbled by the realization that running well in the summertime doesn't translate to running well in the Chase.

But even though he posted as many wins -- four -- as anyone in the regular season, Busch didn't make the Chase, thanks to a wildly inconsistent checkers-or-wreckers style that saw him running as either the favorite or an afterthought. One season of inconsistency from a talented but still young driver is acceptable; two in a row means heads have to roll.

Interestingly, JD Gibbs addressed this exact point after the race Sunday, indicating that a lot of Kyle's problems stem from "confidence" - more specifically, the lack thereof. "As far as the Addington crew piece," Gibbs added, "from our standpoint, we just want to make sure we have the right tools, the right people in the right place at JGR. We think we do; we think we have a great group, [from] crew chiefs to engineers to guys on the shop floor across the whole board." Apparently, though, Addington wasn't the right person in the right place.

Rogers, meanwhile, has spent four seasons crewing the No. 20 on the Nationwide side, and won the Nationwide Owner's championship with nine victories spread across four drivers. He apprenticed under Greg Zipadelli during Tony Stewart's 2002 championship run.

"Dave has proven himself a talented crew chief and we think he will work well with Kyle," Gibbs said in a statement. "We hope that by making the move following this weekend's race at Talladega they can use the final three weeks of this season to begin working on communication and setups for the 2010 season."

As with Dale Earnhardt Jr., we'll now see how much of the 18's problems stemmed from the guy in the box, and how many stemmed from the guy behind the wheel.
 
Elliot Sadler was just saying that due to the new smaller restrictor plates, rather than just drafting to pass, they are going to have to actually push with their bumpers to be able to pass. Khane and Hamlin ran bumper to bumper even through the turns today in practice, ending up as the two fastest cars. Recipe for broken cars...

Why would Nascar want that? Did they not hand out larger restrictor plates so the cars would have the power to pass on their own and not rely so much on momentum, staying bunched up? "The big one(s)" ring a bell to anyone? Just seems like a bad idea to me. The afternoon practice was even "wild" as some drivers said, the junkyard after the race is going to be impressive I'm thinking...
 
The fact that they somehow still haven't figured out this is gonna cause more wrecks is starting to make me believe that they want more wrecks to put on a bigger show for the fans.
 
I don't know what else would explain it.

Seriously, up and down on the sizes, out of everything they have done, I think there have been less "big ones" caused since moving to the larger plates. Not to say there have not been any, but last lap at Daytona in July does not count, they are bound to run out of talent on the last lap coming to the line. I remember what happened in the April race at Talladega, but there were a lot less cars involved in that one, then when they were more prevalent back when the cars used wickers or small plates. At least that's how I remember it...
 
I think we are agreed on the one thing that they cannot do, that's take the plates off, that would probably injure someone and get someone killed.

Couldn't that do something areo wise to make the cars follow each other more
 
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Mannnn, chill out haha, JJ starting first don't mean that's where he'll end up. No way is he going to keep this race win sweep up here. Starting position don't mean a thing at restrictor plate tracks, other than having the last stall on pit lane. I don't like the field being set that way but that's how the cards fell. I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be more wild than normal with all the pushing to pass.


On another note...

NCWTS race at Talladega is about to get underway, anthem going off now with F-16's and whatnot. I love the trucks, this is going to be a good race :D, with likely less carnage than tomorrow. Anyone but KB anyone but KB anyone but KB.
 
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Mannnn, chill out haha, JJ starting first don't mean that's where he'll end up. No way is he going to keep this race win sweep up here. Starting position don't mean a thing at restrictor plate tracks, other than having the last stall on pit lane. I don't like the field being set that way but that's how the cards fell. I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be more wild than normal with all the pushing to pass.

I understand that man but it just seems that all of the luck is going to that team at that moment.

Let me flip it for you like this: if that was say a Carl Edwards or a Denny Hamlin, they wouldn't be getting much flak for it but because it is either a Kyle Busch or a Jimmie Johnson dominating things, something needs to be done about it.

Maybe a suggestion would be to do what touring car championships do (if you can compare it to a touring car championship) and add success ballast for winning races and take ballast off for finishing lower down the field, mix it up a little bit.

But I agree, restrictor plate racing brings up the unexpected so just because Double J has pole, he could finish last
 
Oh, make no mistake, I COMPLETELY understand what you mean, it's pretty much agonizing to watch the Lowe's team mop the floor with everyone. How are they THAT much better on a regular basis? I've never in my life witnessed this kind of dominance by a Nascar team. I want them dethroned for sure. It's amazing what they are doing, but give it a rest. They should give them skinnier tires :lol: I hear a people say they must be cheating, and Nascar must think so, after all the car has been impounded I don't know how many weeks in a row. It's just odd when the team cars can't even put up a fight for it.

Turn it upppp!!! Green Flag!!!!

Wow 5 wide already...
 
and it isn't as if you can point the finger at Knaus.

He has been there since 2002, why didnt he dominate then and suddenly, boom!

Anyway, we shall see what happens in Dega tomorrow.

By the way, anyone seent eh new Nationwide COT's to come out next year? They look gorgeous!

AND FIVE WIDE IN THE TRUCK SERIES????????????????????? (jumps behind the couch quickly)
 
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