Need a Break from Gran Turismo?

[Speedster911]

Besides GT, my favorite racing games were NFS (High Stakes and Underground 1 mostly) and Tokyo Xtreme Racer.

^ That was the one I played most. There were so many people to beat and tons of customization. It was a very satisfying game.

Does anyone remember Sega GT? It tried so hard to be GT, and it WAS a good game. Not sure why it didn't catch on...I liked it WAY more than Metropolis Street Racer...

I don't know why, but racing games back in the PS2 era were very VERY exciting for some reason. Maybe it was the age we were all at then. I just don't know... good times!

 

[Griffith500]

I don't know why, but racing games back in the PS2 era were very VERY exciting for some reason. Maybe it was the age we were all at then. I just don't know... good times!

It was the variety.

 

[John_Marsten]

Pathetic Senna Content? You`ve had one too many beers fella.

Please enlighten me as to how awesome it was? a few cars and some time trials?

I am glad people got enjoyment out of it, but damn, I thought it was pathetic.

 

[Buck-O]

Oh man, thanks for the reminded of Enthousia Racing. I had completely forgotten about that game. Literally.
I actually went digging through the storage room (yes, at 2 in the morning) looking for my old XBox and PS2 game collection, just to see if i could find it. Because i was certain i had a copy of it, and i did! And as soon as i saw the box art, the memories all came back, and man, what a trip down memory lane.

I remember buying it, playing it for a few days, and like a week later GT4 came out. Naturally, I started playing GT4 immediately, and continued to do so religiously for quite some time. Particularly because GT4 had a much larger selection of real world racing circuits. And the fictional circuits in GT4 felt more realistic and plausible, whereas the fictional circuits in Enthousia felt a lot like Ridge Racer/Rage Racer/Ridge Racer R4 inspired layouts (in fact in some cases you could be forgiven for thinking you were watching gameplay footage of one of those Ridge games, it is so nearly identical). Once i got my Logitech DFP, i did drop Enthousia back in, and play it briefly for the 900 degree wheel experience. But it largely sat unplayed while GT4 occupied my PS2s disc tray.

And then after having played the snot out of GT4 for a couple of months...Forza Motorsport came out. I spent an inordinate amount of time playing that instead. I did eventually come back to finish up GT4, and after that i started to play Enthousia again to try and get through it...until...a little know (and i mean little known) game called Tourist Trophy came out. And of course, that sucked up all my time again.

One last time i tried to play Enthousia, but that too was really short lived. As by then, the XBox 360 had come out, and i started playing PGR3 on-line heavily. By then i had lost a significant amount of interest in even turning on my PS2 anymore, more or less playing it. As i had moved on to playing primarily FM2 and 3 on the Xbox 360, until GT5 came out. Then, and only then, did i FINALLY buy a PS3, and made a reappearance here on GT Planet again. But by that time, the PS2 was packed up, and largely forgotten.

So thanks for bringing Enthousia back up! I might actually complete the game this time! LOL!
Now i just need to go to a GameStop, and hope to hell i can find an old PlayStation Component Cable. Because it appears someone stepped on the plug for my old one, and the picture is all rainbow colored now. :\ But hey, i get Enthousia back, so thats a major bonus!

 

[GTPVenomZombie]

Please enlighten me as to how awesome it was? a few cars and some time trials?

I am glad people got enjoyment out of it, but damn, I thought it was pathetic.

Well no it wasn't pathetic. Fair enough that's your opinion, but it was still something new. The more content we get, the more people we have bashing PD for it. PD actually did a really good job modelling the cars, the tracks only have a little similarity but it still was a nice DLC. But then again it`s just my opinion. And I`m not sure about you and a few others but the time trials were actually quite fun. 👍

 

[jimipitbull]

Please enlighten me as to how awesome it was? a few cars and some time trials?

I am glad people got enjoyment out of it, but damn, I thought it was pathetic.

Not everyone is capable of gold medals in those time trials. Be patient, keep practicing and you should improve.

 

[GTPVenomZombie]

Not everyone is capable of gold medals in those time trials. Be patient, keep practicing and you should improve.

 

[John_Marsten]

Not everyone is capable of gold medals in those time trials. Be patient, keep practicing and you should improve.

Oh but Jimi, I am not one of those people who strive for a gold medal. I play a game for the amount of sheer enjoyment it provides me, sadly though, GT no longer provides any.

You may spend hours upon hours trying to better your times in the vague hope that one day you may just get that elusive gold medal you have yearned to acheive , but for me, I just dont care.

 

[Speedster911]

^^ Switch to Forza buddy, you will have no regrets whatsoever!

 

[John_Marsten]

^^ Switch to Forza buddy, you will have no regrets whatsoever!

Yeah I like Forza, and I have played 3 and 4 extensively, but PC is where its at for me.

iRacing, Race 07, and the one and only Assetto Corsa.

Gt is just too boring for me now

 

[jimipitbull]

Oh but Jimi, I am not one of those people who strive for a gold medal. I play a game for the amount of sheer enjoyment it provides me, sadly though, GT no longer provides any.

You may spend hours upon hours trying to better your times in the vague hope that one day you may just get that elusive gold medal you have yearned to acheive , but for me, I just dont care.

You would care more about medals if you had a chest to pin them on.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You would care more about medals if you had a chest to pin them on.

Thinly veiled insults to one's manhood Jimi? Really? Could you be any more obvious with your flamebait/trolling?

 

[jimipitbull]

Thinly veiled insults to one's manhood Jimi? Really? Could you be any more obvious with your flamebait/trolling?

Where I come from Johnny, manhood is below the belt and women have the more defined chests.
Looking at the flag under his avatar, John M is from the same region as me.

Regardless, John M's first few posts in this thread were actually lies, I would say he was flamebaiting/trolling. You didn't call him out on those, did you?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Where I come from Johnny, manhood is below the belt and women have the more defined chests.
Looking at the flag under his avatar, John M is from the same region as me.

Regardless, John M's first few posts in this thread were actually lies, I would say he was flamebaiting/trolling. You didn't call him out on those, did you?

Sorry, I have been remiss in memorizing John's posting history as regards to when and how much he's playing GT, forgive me. I leave those Herculean task to the big chested fellas like yourself.

 

[Stephan]

Which game should I buy? GTA Vice City or Midnight Club II? Because I'm having a hard time choosing which game should I buy.

 

[John_Marsten]

You would care more about medals if you had a chest to pin them on.

Did I strike a little nerve there Jimi? Resorting to little insults now are we?

I have a great little game for you, seeing how much you love memorizing and sharing my posting history. I will make a post anywhere on this site, you then have to try and find that post and report it to as many people as you can in the least amount of time.

Ready. Set..................GO!!!

That outta keep him occupied for a while fellas

 

[IneedSchool]

Which game should I buy? GTA Vice City or Midnight Club II? Because I'm having a hard time choosing which game should I buy.

I would say GTA Vice City, but aren't both of those games dirt cheap already? They're like more than a decade old you could buy both.

 

[Cobra_GT500]

I stopped playing gt6 a few weeks a go I just don't have the urge to playing it anymore. I even gave up on some online race series. I switched to grid autosports but now that's slowly getting boring bring on project cars. In the mean time Destiny next week

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I've read similar expressions from other FM5 players as well, complaining about the control exactly as you are. Remember the transition from FM3 to FM4? You had to relearn and retrain some of your lines and driving technique on the same tracks, due to the major improvements in physics. FM5 takes that to a completely new level from what I understand.

Though I would strongly urge you to set all inside deadzones to zero, outsides to max. This would allow you to better control the car with more intricate corrections and input. It also gives you greater freedom and range of motion with the triggers and analog stick. Set steering to NORMAL if you're having trouble with the steering mechanics.

Hope this helps. 👍

I always try and drive more or less the same in most games so don't think I would need to relearn or retrain much at all. I'm struggling to do the basics and I don't consider FM5 to improve physics in the sense of making it more real, might do more calculations now though than before.

I checked and controller settings are already like that. I also try both simulation and normal steering and struggling a lot to get car turned into corners, just such a frustrating experience. I was going to try again now rivals events but seems like the servers are down. I think they really need to do a much better job in making the controls better, something like rFactor can be played for me considerably better on a keyboard than I can play FM5 with a controller, that does not seem right to me and Turn 10 really need to be doing a better job. Physics hopefully also take a massive leap forward for next game and for AI also as going by rivals leaderboards, I'm very slow compared to top players in normal road cars yet I can beat AI on Unbeatable and I might be lapping over 10 seconds off the potential on some tracks with same car.

 

[Speedster911]

Hmm, that's strange. Perhaps catching better lines before turns might help.

Also, I don't mean to cast a shadow over your driving skills, but are you applying the decades old racing technique of slow in, fast out? Do you downshift right before turning in or during the turn? Are you feathering the throttle and using to to steer the car as well?

Maybe you're going into turns too fast. How do you work your controller inputs? Do you flick the stick or are you in the habit of holding the stick at an angle, while making intricate corrections to smoothly steer your car out of corners?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I don't come across too many people on these forums complaining of the control in FM5, so now I'm really curious and keen on knowing why these problems are coming up.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Hmm, that's strange. Perhaps catching better lines before turns might help.

Also, I don't mean to cast a shadow over your driving skills, but are you applying the decades old racing technique of slow in, fast out? Do you downshift right before turning in or during the turn? Are you feathering the throttle and using to to steer the car as well?

Maybe you're going into turns too fast. How do you work your controller inputs? Do you flick the stick or are you in the habit of holding the stick at an angle, while making intricate corrections to smoothly steer your car out of corners?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I don't come across too many people on these forums complaining of the control in FM5, so now I'm really curious and keen on knowing why these problems are coming up.

I'm trying my best to drive good lines, it is just hard to get the car turned in as game steering does not seem to allow you to turn as much as you would like with controller..

Well I always try and do fast in, fast out in most games I play but seems to me all I can achieve in FM5 with normal road cars is slow in, slow out. I downshift only if needed, I'm being quite cautious on throttle too.

I think I'm going in too slow and going out slow too, I try and be smooth and holding an angle but sometimes try and put it full range on tighter corners but it takes along time to get car turned in. Pressing brakes seems to influence how much steering it will allow you to use. I've seen others find steering slow too, here is one thread on FM forums regarding it: Link

Also some of my other problems with game are mentioned at start of CVG FM5 Review:

Forza 4 itself could be criticised for being too sterile, but it looks outright rebellious when compared to the series' next-gen debut. The main problem with Forza 5 lies in the core simulation. The cars slide everywhere - they understeer going into corners, they oversteer midway through, they have so much inertia it feels like you're running with a packed supermarket trolley and trying to stop before you crash into the frozen foods section.

 

[shmogt]

I play gt6 and gta5 currently. I like gta5 because it's funny obviously and different from just racing. I can't play racing games at the same time as it's pretty much all the same in the end.

 

[Kurei]

Being in the middle of a move/renovation for my first house, what time I do find to game has been spent in GT6 just tinkering with past 'projects'.

By 'tinkering', I mean I'm just updating some of them from when camber was 'broken' and such, as well as applying some different tuning techniques, bringing them 'up to date' so to speak. After that, usually try my luck with online lobbies (not much luck lately )

But as I drive more and more cars, I'm reminded just how lack-luster the sound in GT can prove to be, and it becomes uninspiring to be honest - 'My V8 sounds like a rotary.... what. the. 🤬" (C4 ZR1 Vette w/ Race exhaust)

So I've been contemplating making a jump back into F1 2013, for the sounds (Turbo F1 engines ) Codemasters has delivered, namely the 'classic' side of it. The only thing stopping me ?...

The second I do, I just know all sorts of things will start happening for GT, Zahara will be released and it'll live up to the hype, The numerous glitches and bugs online will be handled, PD will finally step-up their game and start releasing over-due content, listening/answering the community concerns, and everything else fans of GT want them to do.

And I'll be in the middle of moving everything... I just :censored:ing know it, that's my luck lately.

tl;dr - Ferrari F1 87-88c (the passion) or Williams-Judd FW12 (the speed) ?

 

[Speedster911]

I'm trying my best to drive good lines, it is just hard to get the car turned in as game steering does not seem to allow you to turn as much as you would like with controller..

Well I always try and do fast in, fast out in most games I play but seems to me all I can achieve in FM5 with normal road cars is slow in, slow out. I downshift only if needed, I'm being quite cautious on throttle too.

I think I'm going in too slow and going out slow too, I try and be smooth and holding an angle but sometimes try and put it full range on tighter corners but it takes along time to get car turned in. Pressing brakes seems to influence how much steering it will allow you to use. I've seen others find steering slow too, here is one thread on FM forums regarding it: Link

Also some of my other problems with game are mentioned at start of CVG FM5 Review:

Saidur, compared to other driving games, Forza is a lot closer to real life physics. Therefore you just HAVE to come in slow, start downshifting, and slowly turn the front wheels. Avoid going to full lock on the analog stick, unless it's a really sharp turn or hairpin. Midway during a turn, you might need to feather the throttle or intermittently tap it just a little, to keep the nose where you want it (isn't very helpful regarding FWD naturally), and go out fast, practically as if you're slingshotting your way out of the corner.

Yes, FM has had this assist since FM3: the controller will not allow you to turn the front wheels past a certain point unless you slow down further. I think they're trying to simulate steering wheel mechanics of an actual car on a controller, but I find this annoying too. The game should at least have a setting to adjust speed sensitive steering as well as steering speed.

BTW, this issue has been discussed at length in both the FM4 and 5 sections on forzamotorsport.net.

This assist will always be there no matter what set up you have, assists off or not, SIM steering or not, whatever deadzone settings you have, you cannot change the way the controller registers your inputs, based on speed. So the best we can do here is to adjust our driving style accordingly. It's good in a way, as it forces you to be a better precision driver.

If you're still finding it cumbersome, you might as well get a gaming wheel. That way, you'll have almost complete freedom and control over the front wheels.

Edit: read the CVG review. Not sure if the other websites are Forza-biased or not, but on every major site, it's gotten an 8/10 score or higher. Strange. I suppose I will decide for myself if/when I get to own the game.

 

[colj00]

Please enlighten me as to how awesome it was? a few cars and some time trials?

I am glad people got enjoyment out of it, but damn, I thought it was pathetic.

it wasn't just any ordinary "few cars"

it was a few cars with really awesome engine sounds

 

[John_Marsten]

it wasn't just any ordinary "few cars"

it was a few cars with really awesome engine sounds

Thats the great thing about opinions my friend. They are not fact.

I am glad you enjoyed the Senna content though. 👍

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Saidur, compared to other driving games, Forza is a lot closer to real life physics. Therefore you just HAVE to come in slow, start downshifting, and slowly turn the front wheels. Avoid going to full lock on the analog stick, unless it's a really sharp turn or hairpin. Midway during a turn, you might need to feather the throttle or intermittently tap it just a little, to keep the nose where you want it (isn't very helpful regarding FWD naturally), and go out fast, practically as if you're slingshotting your way out of the corner.

Yes, FM has had this assist since FM3: the controller will not allow you to turn the front wheels past a certain point unless you slow down further. I think they're trying to simulate steering wheel mechanics of an actual car on a controller, but I find this annoying too. The game should at least have a setting to adjust speed sensitive steering as well as steering speed.

BTW, this issue has been discussed at length in both the FM4 and 5 sections on forzamotorsport.net.

This assist will always be there no matter what set up you have, assists off or not, SIM steering or not, whatever deadzone settings you have, you cannot change the way the controller registers your inputs, based on speed. So the best we can do here is to adjust our driving style accordingly. It's good in a way, as it forces you to be a better precision driver.

If you're still finding it cumbersome, you might as well get a gaming wheel. That way, you'll have almost complete freedom and control over the front wheels.

Edit: read the CVG review. Not sure if the other websites are Forza-biased or not, but on every major site, it's gotten an 8/10 score or higher. Strange. I suppose I will decide for myself if/when I get to own the game.

I don't agree with that, I think Forza 5 is very far off real life physics, that is why I think it has such bad handling model. Yes I know most techniques and doing my best to drive around problem but struggling still to do clean laps.

I find control input one of the worst I have ever played which I think for what is primary control method, a massive problem.

It is hard to be precise as the steering rate has its own mind which you have to hope in situation you are in responds as you want it to. I will only get a wheel for Xbox One if there is considerable improvement in handling in Forza and have space for another one or I get a wheel really cheap, shame there is no accurate Kinect wheel.

Here is video at someone from Turn 10 driving and it still looks like it is horrible to drive:



Someone struggling to drive the same car in FM5:


Now same driver on pCARS:

 

[Speedster911]

@Saidur_Ali Hmm, it does look like you're somewhat at odds. Kind of glad I've delayed my FM5 + X1 purchase. Hearing of quite a few folks going back to FM4 as as result.

I guess, you can somehow find a way to test out a wheel to determine if the flaw is indeed only with controllers. Do you have all the game and X1 updates installed?

This might interest you:

 

[Saidur_Ali]

@Saidur_Ali Hmm, it does look like you're somewhat at odds. Kind of glad I've delayed my FM5 + X1 purchase. Hearing of quite a few folks going back to FM4 as as result.

I guess, you can somehow find a way to test out a wheel to determine if the flaw is indeed only with controllers. Do you have all the game and X1 updates installed?

This might interest you:

I have seen videos of people driving on wheel like the ones posted above and it does look quite horrible to drive. Looks like though you are not restricted in steering speed so it won't have the issue that normal controllers have in the game. Doubt I will be able to test out a wheel any time soon, never played any Forza game with wheel yet. I do have the Limited Edition version of game with all updates installed, looks like there are still issues from servers from yesterday going by FM forum so hopefully they get it fixed soon, will then give rival events another go.

I already know about racing lines.

 

[Speedster911]

Not really related, but I love the control in FM4. You give inputs, and cars react the way you'd expect them to, in contrast to actual driving.

Oh this just came to mind: try turning off motion effects. You might be able to see better around corners.