Need For Speed Payback General Discussion
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I believe this is the new Amazon Racing game that Creative Director Craig Sullivan left Ghost to work on. Keep in mind its pre alpha footage.
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DLC central with hacky voice over and enough overpriced content to lure fanboys. Also paid talent doesn't equal a quality product, especially when there's an amateur in charge. Amazon haven't a clue about creating a product, just buying and seling.
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Craig Sullivan worked on Burnout Paradise, Hot Pursuit, NFS Rivals and NFS 2015. I wouldn't call him an amateur. 
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Neither was I. I was refering to Amazon in context of actually making something or directing a creative process. They're traders and processors, not founders and creators (with one exception). Odds are with Amazon at the wheel they'll want as much as they can get into the game for as little outlay to make as much as possible. Call me cynical, but given what we have with the likes of GTS, Forza 7, NFS etc, all new games have a lot to prove and all will need to be better than shovelware to turn a buck in the long term. Craig was hired for his talent and will doubtless put a lot of talent into the game, but he isn't in charge and it won't be his direction dictating the output imo.Craig Sullivan worked on Burnout Paradise, Hot Pursuit, NFS Rivals and NFS 2015. I wouldn't call him an amateur.
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I love the series, but not sure exactly how it would translate into an entertaining game. Not enough information to go on with this simple trailer. Will wait and see.... Interesting... thanks for sharing helvetica bold.... but little more than a blip on my radar until seeing more of the nuts 'n' bolts.
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i found a little more info on Grand Tour and it seems like it will be released before the end of the year.
https://www.gamesradar.com/what-do-...paradise-designer-jeremy-clarkson-and-amazon/
https://www.gamesradar.com/what-do-...paradise-designer-jeremy-clarkson-and-amazon/
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Under The Hood: Chalking Up Another Year
Not a new update, but it is mostly about rewarding players during the week:
The post ends with what is essentially "No more significant content updates for Payback, see you in 2019!"
Link to NFS 2019 discussion
Not a new update, but it is mostly about rewarding players during the week:
The post ends with what is essentially "No more significant content updates for Payback, see you in 2019!"
Link to NFS 2019 discussion
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@CSMDuty11 Well spotted, that flew right over my head. 
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Guys I remember when there was no such thing as DLC or updates beyond simple bug fixes. Then the gaming world sort of lost its mind with DLC's for everything... now we've come to expect it. Ten years ago if a person told you that a NFS game would get content updates for a year after release they would think you were crazy. Sure I wish they would go even longer, but I'm appreciative of what we've already gotten.
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I think nostalgia is playing a key role in that. Look at Need For Speed 2015; within the 12 month period of the game's launch, the negative sentiment outweighed the positive and the general feeling was that people grew bored of the game fast. Fast forward to the present day and you hear more about people appreciating NFS 2015 much more than they did when the game was receiving post-release support.
However, I am not going to deny the reason for that is because those who disliked the game have moved on from discussing it, leaving only those who enjoyed the game to sing its praises.
Same thing probably happened with the Black Box era titles; there must have been NFS purists who disapproved the lack of open roads, supercars and police when the Underground series was launched. Now that the critics don't share their disdain towards the game anymore, the only time you hear about that era of games is when people are sharing fond memories of it.
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You'll find that trend with most games. Between casuals and nit pickers those who buy games en mass will have their fun and move on, but those who savour a product usually keep it going for long after the next new thing arrives. Look at gta online and world of warcraft. Titles long past prime, but still have their fans and still gaining updates.
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Has EA already moved on from this game? I just bought it not too long ago and it seems I came right after the last update. It seems as if EA has already abandoned Payback and moved on to the next title..
Pity, cause Payback to me was VERY enjoyable but left a lot to be desired tbh. I feel they're getting closer to making that ideal NFS game that hits home on all bases.. One thing I hope that doesn't return is speed cards.. Probably the DUMBEST idea Ghost had for the game.. It's like they tried to throw an mmorpg type of grinding tactic in the game.. It failed miserably.
One thing I did like however, was the derelicts. I hope that makes a return. But instead of having it being designated cars you find one time, it'd be dope if they would randomly scatter the parts of an abandoned car or 2 across the map. The car could be a 67' mustang, or an old Civic that someone scrapped or maybe even an old Porsche from a rich tycoon who went bankrupt.. Idk, just wishful thinking I guess.
Pity, cause Payback to me was VERY enjoyable but left a lot to be desired tbh. I feel they're getting closer to making that ideal NFS game that hits home on all bases.. One thing I hope that doesn't return is speed cards.. Probably the DUMBEST idea Ghost had for the game.. It's like they tried to throw an mmorpg type of grinding tactic in the game.. It failed miserably.
One thing I did like however, was the derelicts. I hope that makes a return. But instead of having it being designated cars you find one time, it'd be dope if they would randomly scatter the parts of an abandoned car or 2 across the map. The car could be a 67' mustang, or an old Civic that someone scrapped or maybe even an old Porsche from a rich tycoon who went bankrupt.. Idk, just wishful thinking I guess.
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Yeah, other than a few abandoned cars that have yet to be released, Payback is done. I agree with you however that they are on the right track. The speed cards was a strange decision indeed, although I'm in the minority who actually didn't mind them so much. I hope they keep the abandoned cars thing going, and I even hope they still include off-road in the next one if the setting permits... I greatly enjoyed the variety, not just in racing but in customization opportunities.
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I just picked this game up during the black Friday sale, after resisting to purchase it at launch after the last game. And I must say, I am really enjoying this, the cars do feel better to handle, but still have some improvements to be made. Not a fan of the speedcards though, I prefer a tuning system like the old gran Turismo's. The overall gameplay, customisations, missions, especially finding the derelicts, its a lot more enjoyable that the previous game. Hopefully they keep improving, and add a dynamic weather system for the next game.
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Okay so I saw this game for about $20 at Wal Mart recently and I have considered getting it for a while now, however I have one burning question to ask. How is the collision detection in this game, like is it as easy to crash in this game as the previous one?
While I liked NFS2015, the constant crashes was one of my biggest problems with the game.
While I liked NFS2015, the constant crashes was one of my biggest problems with the game.
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Personally, I find it far easier to get the hang of the physics in Payback than 2015. For the most part, crabwalking is not an issue in Payback (though you can still trigger it if you have a collision while drifting) which means the walls don't have the magnetic properties they had in the previous game.
With that said, brake-to-drift is still the preferred handling method in Payback.
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Okay, it's good to know the physics are better, but what about when you close to a wall? Is it one those games where sometimes if you some much as tap a wall, it registers as a wreck? NFS2015 and NFSMW2012 had this problem and most of the time it felt like I couldn't get anywhere near a wall without crashing and it annoyed the crap out of me.Personally, I find it far easier to get the hang of the physics in Payback than 2015. For the most part, crabwalking is not an issue in Payback (though you can still trigger it if you have a collision while drifting) which means the walls don't have the magnetic properties they had in the previous game.
With that said, brake-to-drift is still the preferred handling method in Payback.
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I'm pretty sure the wall impact physics are pretty similar to those games (in the sense crashing into a wall will prompt a cutscene), but this hasn't been an issue for me personally.
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The game overall is a two steps forward, one step back sort of dealio.
Handling and overall customization is improved, but stuff like upgrading is very rear-backwards.
Handling and overall customization is improved, but stuff like upgrading is very rear-backwards.
