New and Upcoming Cars

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by vat_man
My big concern with the Cayenne is that, and this is without knowing the prices internationally, it seems to be a natural progression for X5 and M-Class buyers.
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What will your purist market, sitting behind the wheel of a GT3, think when he drives down a trendy street, and can not see ahead, because he can not see over the top of Cayennes?

Or, worse still, Cayennes, mixing with VW Touaregs?

That may actually be the problem; there is no purist market anymore. Let me give an analogy:

I work in the home theater/custom install market. It's booming right now, so I'm very lucky (and happy). But 20 years ago, my target market just didn't exist. It was instead the Hi-Fi market. All 2-channel stereo, monolithic (but beautiful to look at) speakers, thousands of dollars spent on the perfect custom-parts phono player, ridiculous amounts of time spent by audiophiles A/B'ing and agonizing over speakers, amps, and pre-amps in the showroom before they spent way too much money on it. That was a purist market. And the music was very enjoyable to listen to.

Now let's look 2 years ago: Bose-emulating HTIB's (Home-Theater-In-a-Box) are selling like crack-cocaine, washed-out plasma displays are beating far superior DLP projectors almost 10:1, and no one cares what it looks or sounds like, as long as they have a big display and they have "surround sound"...like they know what it means. No big deal, I make a killing telling people what they need to have all that and make even more putting the stuff in. Sure, I could spend an extra few grand on better components and few extra hours setting it up right, but no one notices and they want me out of their house sooner rather than later so they can sit and watch "Fast & Furious" before bed. They just want something, not the thing.

Now that the boom of home theater is near saturation, a significant portion of the market is starting to realize that HTIB's suck, plasma's look like crap compared to a Sony WEGA, and if you want to hear the dialogue and the music, you should at least move to B&W VM-1's. It's backlash after all the rubbish.

So back to Porsche: maybe after realizing that massive profit margin, Porsche decided "Hey, let's see if anyone notices that our SUV is pure garbage. Maybe they'll just buy the brand." I'm betting on the Cayenne being the biggest selling luxury SUV ever...for all the wrong reasons. Being trendy never lasts.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan


Yeah, I know. I just really hate the Cayenne, and the last time Porsche tried branching out too far (968, I think), it started a long, downward trend, ending up with their dismal sales in the early 1990's. So what did they do? They simplified: the 911 and a 550 remake (the Boxster). And once again all was good in Stuttgart....

If Porsche wants to be a real player in the international automobile scene, they've got to do this expansion. Make a 3-series Porsche, make a 5-series Porsche, make the Porsche SUV. Keep it exclusive. It'll work!

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan



So back to Porsche: maybe after realizing that massive profit margin, Porsche decided "Hey, let's see if anyone notices that our SUV is pure garbage. Maybe they'll just buy the brand." I'm betting on the Cayenne being the biggest selling luxury SUV ever...for all the wrong reasons. Being trendy never lasts.

No. It may have that potential, but Porsche isn't making enough of them for it to sell in the numbers that the ML-class and the nice Grand Cherokees sell in. Porsche's loss.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by M5Power


I think they'll be the first in line to own a Cayenne.

What did you think when the X5 came out? Did you see it as BMW ruining their reputation?

That's not comparable - BMW had already sold wagons, diesels, and cars with 4wd. Porsche has had to eventually abandon every front engined car they've released.

I don't doubt they'll sell by the truckload - but at what long term cost to the brand?

 

[1X83Z]

So why can't Porsche do it the reverse way?

You never know what's going to happen. ..

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by M5Power
If Porsche wants to be a real player in the international automobile scene, they've got to do this expansion. Make a 3-series Porsche, make a 5-series Porsche, make the Porsche SUV. Keep it exclusive. It'll work!

But that's part of my point: How is mass distribution part of being exclusive? How is feeding the interest of the lowest common denominator part of being a high-class company? Sure, they can charge $80,000 for the SUV, but it's still aimed at the SUV segment, only the most popular market in decades. Another thing to keep in mind is that the finest sports cars in the world (TVR, Ferrari, Noble...you name it) come from small manufacturers with a very short new-car list. If Porsche starts doing 4-door saloons, AWD/4-cyl/turbo small sedans, or even a pickup (god forbid), then how are they any better than BMW? Isn't (rather: wasn't) the whole idea of buying a Porsche that you wanted a pure, sports driving experience? What kind of drive do you expect out of the Cayenne? If it's bettered by an Impreza, what good is it for Porsche's image?

No. It may have that potential, but Porsche isn't making enough of them for it to sell in the numbers that the ML-class and the nice Grand Cherokees sell in. Porsche's loss.

Well, thank my Lucky Charms for that!

 

[Hooligan]

Subaru Impreza Prodrive Performance Package
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/driven_story.php?id=30449
Apparently, it's worth the money. Makes me wonder why Subaru didn't did this to begin with. I'd surely have paid for it all at one go...if the STi was being sold in the US anytime soon. Once again, the cars worth buying aren't worthy of the US for some reason.... *sigh*

Invicta S1
http://www.4car.co.uk/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=211&id=4388
I don't get this one. Sure, it looks nice, goes well, probably even handles fine, too. But "320HP 4.6L V8" reads "Ford Mustang V8" to me, and that's not such a hot engine, IMO. Not a bad one, just not something that I'd want to pay US$95,000 (UK-70,000) for. Add to that the not-so-special 5-speed gearbox and the line about "most wonderful performance", and I'm not exactly won over. I mean, when I think "supercar", I don't think "wonderful", I think "holy crap, I need new shorts".

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan


But that's part of my point: How is mass distribution part of being exclusive? How is feeding the interest of the lowest common denominator part of being a high-class company? Sure, they can charge $80,000 for the SUV, but it's still aimed at the SUV segment, only the most popular market in decades. Another thing to keep in mind is that the finest sports cars in the world (TVR, Ferrari, Noble...you name it) come from small manufacturers with a very short new-car list. If Porsche starts doing 4-door saloons, AWD/4-cyl/turbo small sedans, or even a pickup (god forbid), then how are they any better than BMW? Isn't (rather: wasn't) the whole idea of buying a Porsche that you wanted a pure, sports driving experience? What kind of drive do you expect out of the Cayenne? If it's bettered by an Impreza, what good is it for Porsche's image?

This is crazy. Let me address it this way.
- No one said anything about mass distribution - they're going to sell a mere 10,000 units a year here in the US (20,000 in all).
- Why do they need to be better than BMW? Are they now? They (Porsche) hardly make any money (comparatively).
- I expect a great drive out of the Cayenne; they said it would make the X5 feel like a truck.
- Who's comparing an Impreza to the Cayenne!?

 

[Talentless]

NEC motor show pictures at pistonheads.com (includes some nobles) and probably other websites.

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by M5Power
This is crazy. Let me address it this way.
- No one said anything about mass distribution - they're going to sell a mere 10,000 units a year here in the US (20,000 in all).

Not sure which part is "crazy", but 10,000 units of anything over $60,000 is rather high. It's not Boxster-levels of production, but it's above ML55 and X5 4.6is combined. What I meant about "best selling" was it would be the quickest luxury-SUV to sell out all available inventory. I didn't mean it would sell more numbers than the ML, LX, RX, etc.. Sorry for the confusion.

- Why do they need to be better than BMW? Are they now? They (Porsche) hardly make any money (comparatively).
- I expect a great drive out of the Cayenne; they said it would make the X5 feel like a truck.

Wait, "better than BMW" in what way? If you mean "Cayenne better than X5", they sure as hell have to be. Porsche even stated as such in their initial memo for the Cayenne. They stated that if they were going to enter the SUV market, it wasn't going up against the Land Rover (best off-road manners) but the X5 (best on-road manners). If you mean "Cayenne better than M3"...well, I don't think even Porsche envisioned that.

And Porsche makes craploads of money for VAG. Hand over fist. For so little investment, there's a whole lot of return.

Now I'm sort of confused by the two lines above: First you ask why Porsche needs to be better than BMW, then you say that the Cayenne "would make the X5 feel like a truck". Am I just reading things wrong?

- Who's comparing an Impreza to the Cayenne!?

What I meant to imply was that if a $60,000 sports-SUV can't outhandle a $25,000 sports-econobox, then what exactly has a premiere sports-car-maker accomplished? That is: What was the point of the exercise? BMW did a nice job by proving that a luxury-SUV could be considered a sports-SUV in that the X5 outhandles and drives better than 50% of all cars on the road. This is at the expense of off-road ability, but BMW made no bones about the compromises it made to be the best-handling tarmac-SUV to date.

Now here's Porsche alluding to all sorts of 959/Paris-Dakar history with this Cayenne, while at the same time professing its superior ability on-road. No offense to Porsche, but unless some new laws of physics were written since I was at college, this just doesn't fly...at least not well. Having just read a few reviews of the Touareg (Cayenne's twin), it seems adjustable air suspension is the loophole used, but while it excelled in very rough terrain, it was at the cost of on-road ability. That is, the Touareg didn't beat the X5. Word has it that VAG shared the entire suspension between the two cars, differing only in software setup. While that may be great for a bit better on-road ability, it's still the same suspension components, thus my feeling that it won't beat the X5 on an Autocross track, let alone an Impreza.

 

[Hooligan]

I can see it now: "Thanks for sharing...."

MG XPower SV
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_...xpress.co.uk/news/evo_news_story.php?id=30928
"Entry level MG with 325HP." That's rather impressive coming from a company that's probably comparable to Mercury in the US. I have to say, despite never having set foot in any MG (or Rover) in my life, MG is starting to look very interesting. Even the ZR looks like a nice starting point for a hot hatch (meaning it's about Golf GTI-warm right now). If this is a tarted-up X80, I'm in for at least buying a 1:18 version. The stats alone are stupendous. 765HP . . . --> 965HP with nitrous! If the thing doesn't pretzel itself on drag launch, then MG has done a seriously good job. And, uh, the rear end is sooooo TVR...but that's a good thing.
Pictures:http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=5685

Skyline GT-R ("R35") bits & pieces
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_...xpress.co.uk/news/evo_news_story.php?id=30904
No more twin-turbo V8; no word on why, but the replacement should be a "blown" version of the same old 3.5L V6. Expect a GT-R boiled down to a price, with no more "I'm leaving my Skyline and credit card here, so I expect 750HP by the end of the week" tuning in Japan. However, we do at least get the previous version's AWD system and a real 6-speed manual, and the inane 8-"speed" CVT have been dropped. Probably because the thing snapped every time the torque curve breached 266 lb-ft. Styling should pretty much go unchanged, which I like, but I've heard a lot of people don't. Any other opinions?

Noble 2004 (just pretty pitchers^H^H^H^H^Hpictures)
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=5682
http://www.pistonheads.com/shows/birmingham2002/index.asp?storyId=5679

Jaguar XKR mumblemumble
http://www.pistonheads.com/uploads/galleries/9-847.jpg
It took a while, but I figured out what the hell this thing was. It's Bond's nemesis' car in "Die Another Day" (another of many Bond films I won't see; "What do mean Connery's not in it!?!"). Nice, though, to see proper Bond cars all around in the film.

TVR T350-R
http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/default.asp?storyId=5689
For a while, I had no idea what the T350 was. Nice to finally see it (as I feel about all TVRs). Tail end is a departure for TVR, but it's certainly not bad. At least we know where Maserati's taillights ended up. I guess not all boomerangs return to the sender.... TVR's are a pain, though: all that ability and power, but it's such a work of art -- inside and out -- that I'd be too timid to have any fun with it.

TVR Tuscan R (T440-R)
http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/default.asp?storyId=5688
Nothing new. I just wanted to share the joy of this car. I mean, who chromes & leather-pads their rollcages?

 

[f50]

hey hooligans that MG look and sound so good.

correct me if i'm wrong but that car look like a mod mustang,or just like MG with ford stuff.btw i don't know the size so i'm not sure about.

btw thank for the link.

 

[Option2]

Well, Porsche can whore themselves out if they want to.....it won't effect me in the least bit.


Look at Ferrari. Not a penny spent on advertising, and still carries a huge reputation.

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by f50
hey hooligans that MG look and sound so good.

correct me if i'm wrong but that car look like a mod mustang,or just like MG with ford stuff.btw i don't know the size so i'm not sure about.

btw thank for the link.

It is, sort of. MG bought out Qvale's Mangusta, which relied heavily on Ford components (primarily that 4.6L V8).

 

[Talentless]

reminds me of a dodge more than a mustang, but i'm not too familiar with mustangs

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by Option2
Look at Ferrari. Not a penny spent on advertising, and still carries a huge reputation.

"Advertising" is relative. They haven't been #1 in F1 for the past few years because they handed the budget over to bean counters. And they also do advertise in Europe, where F1 actually gathers a crowd. But you're right, the higher-market the company, the less advertising is needed. Then again, perhaps you should pick up a copy of the Robb Report car rag. This month's the black one with the Spyker C8 on the cover. It's all ads, but the car companies themselves advertise there, too (Bentley, Porsche 911 GT2, etc.).

 

[Talentless]

avg. motortrend reader has 3 yachts near monaco.

 

[1X83Z]

Let me preface this with the fact that I already had a long reply typed out then I accidentally hit ctrl and backspace and my browser went back before I could realise what happened - so I'm cranky.

Originally posted by Hooligan


Wait, "better than BMW" in what way? If you mean "Cayenne better than X5", they sure as hell have to be. Porsche even stated as such in their initial memo for the Cayenne. They stated that if they were going to enter the SUV market, it wasn't going up against the Land Rover (best off-road manners) but the X5 (best on-road manners). If you mean "Cayenne better than M3"...well, I don't think even Porsche envisioned that.

You won't get any argument from me, here. Though I don't really think Porsche has to be better than the X5, I know it will be - at least on-road, and frankly that's all that matters since everyone (or, nearly all humans in civilised countries) buys SUV's for on-road ability.

And Porsche makes craploads of money for VAG. Hand over fist. For so little investment, there's a whole lot of return.

Right now, Porsche shifts too few vehicles to be making the kind of money that greedy VAG (yes, I admire them greatly) wants. Porsche makes quite a few dollars on every 911 and Boxster they sell, but they only sell a fraction of the cars the Volkswagen does (admittedly, at a smaller profit).

Now I'm sort of confused by the two lines above: First you ask why Porsche needs to be better than BMW, then you say that the Cayenne "would make the X5 feel like a truck". Am I just reading things wrong?

No - I just wanted to know why you felt Porsche needed to be 'better than BMW' ("If Porsche starts doing 4-door saloons, AWD/4-cyl/turbo small sedans, or even a pickup (god forbid), then how are they any better than BMW?"). Frankly I think Porsche has the potential for brand recognition and sales to one day equal BMW's.

Now here's Porsche alluding to all sorts of 959/Paris-Dakar history with this Cayenne, while at the same time professing its superior ability on-road. No offense to Porsche, but unless some new laws of physics were written since I was at college, this just doesn't fly...at least not well. Having just read a few reviews of the Touareg (Cayenne's twin), it seems adjustable air suspension is the loophole used, but while it excelled in very rough terrain, it was at the cost of on-road ability. That is, the Touareg didn't beat the X5. Word has it that VAG shared the entire suspension between the two cars, differing only in software setup. While that may be great for a bit better on-road ability, it's still the same suspension components, thus my feeling that it won't beat the X5 on an Autocross track, let alone an Impreza.

The 959 ads are to shut the critics up. Everyone (like yourself ) is asking why Porsche needs an SUV and Porsche dug deep into their past to find the closest thing to an SUV they've ever had (and found it). Now they're trying to prove that the Cayenne idea isn't unprecidented and the 959 was the real fire starter for 'alternative' Porsches.

I'd heard before, by the way, that the Touareg was to concentrate on off-road ability more (not only on off-road ability) than the Cayenne - I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by M5Power
Let me preface this with the fact that I already had a long reply typed out then I accidentally hit ctrl and backspace and my browser went back before I could realise what happened - so I'm cranky.

I hate that. That one thing is my only gripe about this entire forum. Well, that, and no one else seems to think I'm a genius....

The 959 ads are to shut the critics up. Everyone (like yourself ) is asking why Porsche needs an SUV and Porsche dug deep into their past to find the closest thing to an SUV they've ever had (and found it). Now they're trying to prove that the Cayenne idea isn't unprecidented and the 959 was the real fire starter for 'alternative' Porsches.

Ah. Now I think I get it. We differ on the reason Porsche is making the Cayenne...or at least, whether it should be made at all. Come to think of it, I think that's how this thing got started.... Purist vs. out-of-box-thinker. Which is not to say neither of us are one or the other, but I think more along the lines of purist on this issue.

As for 'alternative' Porsches, I prefer mine more of the sports car variety. I think they should try the FR platform again. The 944 & 968 weren't so bad....

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan

Purist vs. out-of-box-thinker.

I call out-of-box-thinker. After all, I still believe the 7-series is, erm, nice. Which is more than you've said for it.

P.S. (Seemed fitting here): iDrive is only an option on the E60 5-series. Thank God.

As for 'alternative' Porsches, I prefer mine more of the sports car variety. I think they should try the FR platform again. The 944 & 968 weren't so bad....

I love the 968, I like seeing good examples driving around. Real nice cars. I've never been much of a Porsche fan, though.

 

[Hooligan]

Lotsa stuffins. Hopin' for more discussions. Like cars way too much....

Aston Martin DB7 GT
http://www.4car.co.uk/special/motorshow6/main.jsp?pg=3&id=185
So how many DB7's does this make? I count 6: V8 Coupe, V8 Volante, Vantage, Vantage Volante, Zagato, and now GT. Sounds like move in the right direction, though: AP, Brembo...outsource from the best parts bins, why don't you Ford? Not as unique as the Zagato (which I really like), but if this were to be considered the new base DB7, there's not much Ford could be doing wrong. They could still use some more time on Q/A. Last I heard, the 007 Oil Slick option was still available.... Considering it took some time before Jaguar worked out all their bugs, perhaps AML needs another year or two. Word has it the Vanquish is doing well (as in, there haven't been many warranty claims).

Jaguar XJ6
http://www.4car.co.uk/special/motorshow6/main.jsp?pg=3&id=189
This I really don't like. Ford is continuing their trend of sissifying Jaguar. First the unoriginal S-Type, then the uninspiring X-Type, then the R-Type gets canned, and now there's a V6 XJ, with a deisel on the way. I don't get it. What does Ford have against Jaguar? This doesn't even fit in with their usual modus operandi. Ford cars becoming more interesting drives: good, and about time. Lincoln moving upmarket: nice. Volvo moving upmarket: nice, too. AML making reliable cars: real nice. Mazda making zippy, fun-to-drive cars: excellent. Jaguar moving downmarket: wha' the fuh'? I don't care about the "growing demand for deisel". I don't care about "reaching a broader market". Jaguar is all about none of that crap. It's about exclusivity. It's about refined, gentlemen's cruisiers (and some bruisers). It's about cars that few can afford. It's about V12 long-nosed coupes with huge torque curves flatter than the Saharan plain and old English country club interiors. It is not, nor should it be, about the masses.

Maybach
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_...xpress.co.uk/news/evo_news_story.php?id=30984
The engine destined for the Maybach (and upcoming S600 & SL600) is breaking the rest of the drivetrain. I really didn't expect this. After all, this is the same company that made the CLK-GTR and had a hand in the McLaren F1. You'd think they'd know how to handle huge torque curves flatter than....

Spyker Double 12 S
http://www.4car.co.uk/special/motorshow6/main.jsp?pg=3&id=193
Spyker makes neat cars. Okay, they only make one car, but it sure is a looker. They wanted to make this reminiscent of a Spitfire, and they've surely accomplished that, even down to the gunports and little propellor logo on the front. The interior is nothing to be ashamed about, either. I thought this was supposed to have McLaren F1-like performance? 3.8s is sweet but far from 3.2s, and the rest of the stats seem similarly distant. Or was that the Spyker C8? But wasn't the Double 12 based on the C8? I'm confused....

Peugot 206 WRC
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_...xpress.co.uk/news/evo_news_story.php?id=31030
Does anyone follow WRC? Didn't Peugot wipe the floor with everyone else last year? All this despite not having many top-name drivers, despite not having as much spending cash, and despite actually trying not to go so fast? Am I remembering things right? I don't get SpeedVision, so I haven't watched one race. It's like they didn't want to upstage anyone, but did anyway, and got little press about it. You'd think there'd be a true successor to the 205 GTi after all that winning. You'd think.

Lotus Elise F1
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_...xpress.co.uk/news/evo_news_story.php?id=31007
Not much about this one. For the price, I'd rather have an Elise 190 and a better paint job.

Ford Fiesta RS WRC
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_...xpress.co.uk/news/evo_news_story.php?id=30929
Sheesh, that thing is aggressive. And this isn't even the Focus! Now all we need is the Focus Cosworth (with dammit-all-AWD, Ford!). And, uh, howzabout selling at least the RS in the US? Hunh, you meatheads at Ford? Do you not see the WRX example? You give good car, we give good money. See? Eeeevvverybody haaaaappy. Nice und eazee. [Man, do I sound like a geek or what?]

 

[f50]

take a litle view of the new lancer evo VIII

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by f50
take a litle view of the new lancer evo VIII

God, that's horrid. At least it didn't look as bad as the earlier shots (white test version) did. The wheels look more to-scale than before, and the styling isn't as faggy. Actually, what this really resembles is an EVO 7.5, rather than a true EVO 8. In fact, I think it comes across as some lame tuner's version of the EVO 7, with those goofy tri-light headlamps. But the price seems about right, despite the dearth of mechanical info given there. I'll believe it when I see it, though.

 

[Hooligan]

Holden HSV HRT 427
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=5708
Seriously, who makes 7.0L V8's any more? Oh, right: race cars. Which is where this is supposed to have come from. I don't think it would hold up to the same tolerances. After all, the C5R is no cheap ride, and while the HRT 427 isn't a bargain, it's no race car, either. Still, carbonfibre manifolds are nothing to turn one's nose up at. Sure sounds impressive. Nice to know someone still believes in musclecars....

 

[f50]

take a look to this beauty invicta S1 2003

 

[Hooligan]

Ford Fiesta ST150
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_...xpress.co.uk/news/evo_news_story.php?id=31051
Now I want to see this Fiesta-thingy. First it was the F150 Lightning, then the Focus SVT (er, RS), and now this hot Fiesta looks interesting. Are my standards falling or is Ford actually making interesting vehicles? I do think it looks too much like the Focus to stand on its own, but it's not as if it looks bad. I could totally see myself buying one of these Fords as a round-the-town-er while I work on my WRX.

VW Beetle Cabrio
http://www.4car.co.uk/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=211&id=4419
I thought the old Beetle cabrio was a neat looking car. Of course, I was all of 12 back when I last remember it. Now that I know better, the Beetle is still a girl's car. Not even a cool girl's car, but a really air-headed, prissy girl's car. The cabrio version is for those who either use too much hairspray or have gone bald. I can't imagine a car with more body flex in it. Oh, wait; I can: 1986 Ford Mustang Convertible.

 

[The Porko]

The HRT only sold about 20 or so (correct me if iam wrong) and they costed $200,000 AUS

 

[Hooligan]

Saab 9-3
http://www.4car.co.uk/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=211&id=4424
Just more info on the upcoming Legacy-copied Saab. Apparently, there should be a 300HP 3.0L V6 in the "hot" version. That's nice, except that there's no word on how they expect to correct the massive torque steer. IMO, the correction should not be simply a LSD. It should be full-out AWD. It's about time Saab moved this way, and now that they're sharing a Subaru chassis, there's really no excuse. BTW, an AWD 300HP Saab would be, um, nice.

C8 Spyker
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=5728
Not a new car, but is it just me or is this the most beautiful, well-designed supercar of recent years? Even the gearshift is fantastic:

 

[1X83Z]

Is it true that they are indeed sharing the Legacy's chassis?

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by M5Power
Is it true that they are indeed sharing the Legacy's chassis?

I could have sworn they were. A recent review in CAR told of how this was GM's first Asia/Euro platform sharing. They also mentioned how AWD was on the list, and that the Subaru chassis fit the bill. I, of course, could be wrong. After all, the only thing I could find on it is:
http://www.ssrrs.com/platforms.html
and that seems to imply what GM wants to do, rather than has done. Oh, well....