new Grand Prix GTX

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the 2006 grand prix and the 2006 monte carlo are getting a major power boost.
They are going to be the first V8 front wheel drive gm cars with fuel injection.
The grand prix gtx will go from 270hp to 325 hp and 280 ftlbs to 350 ftlbs
and the monte carlo 250 to 315 hp and 280 ftlbs to 315ftlbs. the are getting this from a new 305 5.0L V8 :sly:

QUESTION IS THIS GOOD ENOUGH FOR A FRONT WHEEL DRIVE???
OR SHOULD JUST CONVERT TO REAR WHEEL DRIVE???
 
Where are you getting your information from...?

The high performance Grand Prix is named the GXP, not GTX. Both the new Monte Carlo SS and the Grand Prix GXP feature a 290hp 5.3L V8 named the LS4. The new Impala SS get's it as well.
 
I can also point out the Aurora and Northstar powered sedans Oldsmobile and Cadillac have produced. Those are 4.0L V8 powered. Heck, the fwd STS was rated at 300hp.

The Bonneville also received a 4.4L V8 out of the Aurora/Northstar family this year.

No new news here.
 
When is GM going to learn? A 325hp V8 does not work for a front wheel drive car! They should look at what Chrysler is doing with the 300; it's got a big engine and it's rear wheel or 4 wheel drive. Is it really that hard for GM to understand?
 
No, but it's hard for GM to open its wallet for a new CHEAP chassis that will support RWD, though ;) Remember, GM stands for Greedy Magnates ...

Chrysler uses Mercedes-Benz chassis for practically all their new cars ... And, as evidenced lately, they've REALLY benefitted from that merger with MB mainly because of that ...
 
Jmac279
Chrysler uses Mercedes-Benz chassis for practically all their new cars ... And, as evidenced lately, they've REALLY benefitted from that merger with MB mainly because of that ...

Bullcrap.

The only Chrysler with a Mercedes-Benz chassis is the Crossfire. And the Crossfire hasn't added anything to Chrysler's bottom line...
 
Firebird
Bullcrap.

The only Chrysler with a Mercedes-Benz chassis is the Crossfire. And the Crossfire hasn't added anything to Chrysler's bottom line...

...except a new title for worlds ugliest roadster.


And I saw the Gran Prix 2005 in my new car guide magazine...

BUTT UGLY- it's got these 2 gaudy hood scoops near the front and these ugly bumper scoop thingies...it almost looked photoshopped, it kind of reminded me of that Elise with the 2 extra mouth scoops, except this was...American and, well, hideous.
 
Firebird
Bullcrap.

The only Chrysler with a Mercedes-Benz chassis is the Crossfire. And the Crossfire hasn't added anything to Chrysler's bottom line...
Really ?

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0405_300c/index.html
There's plenty of Benz, mostly of the E-Class variety, in these large machines. The aluminum five-link rear suspension on all 300s is based on the E-Class design, but the 300 has a wider track and bigger wheels and tires, with a steel cradle in place of the E's aluminum one.
http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/index.html
Though Chrysler had already chosen rear wheel drive before the merger, hooking up with Mercedes allowed (some say forced) the use of existing technologies, including a low-end version of the Mercedes E-class automatic transmission (the A580 electronic automatic), and versions of Mercedes' stability control, steering, front suspensions, electronics, rear suspensions, and seats.

The LX cars will use the Mercedes E class traction control, electronic stability systems, axles, wire harnesses, automatic transmissions, steering columns, and other major suspension components.

All DaimlerChrysler vehicles are sharing a common parts bin, so in the future, that sort of differentiation will mean less.

The 300, Magnum, and Charger make up Chrysler's "LX" group of vehicles for now, although there's reportedly an SUV in the works, probably based off Mercedes-Benz ML ...

And, of course, the Crossfire uses the SLK chassis ...

The rest of the car line-up consists of Mitsubishi chassis (SX 2.0, SRT-4, Stratus), which will no doubt be phased out in the next generation of these models since Daimler-Chrysler has terminated its relationship with Mitsubishi ...
 
PS
...except a new title for worlds ugliest roadster.

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????

It looks great.


And I saw the Gran Prix 2005 in my new car guide magazine...

BUTT UGLY- it's got these 2 gaudy hood scoops near the front and these ugly bumper scoop thingies...it almost looked photoshopped, it kind of reminded me of that Elise with the 2 extra mouth scoops, except this was...American and, well, hideous.

What? Where? Which page?
 
Firebird
The only Chrysler with a Mercedes-Benz chassis is the Crossfire.....
The new 300/Charger platform is built around designs and engineering models from the previous generation E-class. Yes, the Crossfire is just a Chrysler body on an old MB chassis and drivetrain. But, there is a lot of brand sharing going on deep down. It only makes sense. If you have it at your disposal, and it works, use it. The old E-class was a fantastic car, that even now makes a great car. When you use the models and designs from a 10yr old chassis from a $50k car, you still end up with a great $30k car now.

Hilg
 
Firebird
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????

It looks great.




What? Where? Which page?


p154...but on further inspection, it's the Grand Am. Still butt ugly though. The GP is on p155, but it still looks nasty too. Looks like someone taped its' mouth shut.

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FUGLY is short for...

----ing Ugly.
 
Jmac279

Really.

Motor Trend Magazine
The aluminum five-link rear suspension on all 300s is based on the E-Class design, but the 300 has a wider track and bigger wheels and tires, with a steel cradle in place of the E's aluminum one. The 300's 120-inch wheelbase is two inches longer than the E-Class's and just one inch shy of the Mercedes S-Class's.

...

The two V-6 engines are mated to a retuned version of Chrysler's four-speed automatic, while the Hemi is graced with the Kokomo, Indiana-built Mercedes five-speed automatic. The five-speed is the only transmission for cars equipped with the Mercedes 4Matic-based all-wheel drive, available late this summer, whether you choose the 3.5-liter V-6 or the Hemi.

...

...the steering columns are from the Benz parts shelf.

We can debate all day the irony of how it took involvement from a German car company to build a postmodern rear-drive V-8 American sedan. It's worth mentioning, however, that the need for a new rear-drive platform was already on the agenda before the Daimler-Benz/Chrysler merger; having access to all these great parts just made executing the job that much easier. The bottom line is that it works well.

...

And the big brakes, aided by the optional ABS and brake assist but without the Merc's electronic brake transfer nanny,...

chas-sis

The rectangular, usually steel frame, supported on springs and attached to the axles, that holds the body and motor of an automotive vehicle.

- The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition


I don't know about you, but a steering column, similar rear suspension and an optional transmission doesn't constitute a chassis in my opinion.


The new Dodge Magnum and Charger both use the E-Class chassis as well ...

:lol:

See above.

And, of course, the Crossfire uses the SLK chassis ...

Yup, so that's... let me count...



... ONE Mercedes-based car.

The rest of the car line-up consists of Mitsubishi chassis (SX 2.0, SRT-4, Stratus), which will no doubt be phased out in the next generation of these models since Daimler-Chrysler has terminated its relationship with Mitsubishi ...

What the **** are you smoking, man!?

The Neon/SX 2.0/SRT-4 isn't on a Mitusbishi chassis. And neither are the Stratus/Sebring sedan or the Sebring convertible.

The Stratus/Sebring coupe (available only in the States) were based on the old Mitsu Galant platform, and shared a slough of parts with the Eclipse, but both were recently discontinued.
 
The automakers [Mitsubishi and Chrysler] will use the basic chassis and suspension components planned for the next generation of Mitsubishi Lancer and the replacement for the Dodge Neon [SX 2.0, SRT-4] and stretch and modify them to build the larger Dodge Stratus and Mitsubishi Galant sedans and other midsize models
Ironically, of the three models I've discussed this one is actually the least American once you scratch beneath the surface. The plain truth is that Dodge's Magnum (and Chrysler's 300) uses a healthy dose of Mercedes-engineered components. This fact will probably seem like heresy to patriotic types — until they drive a Magnum. The combination of Hemi engine power and Mercedes chassis design brings a whole new dimension to the term "hybrid."
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=103765/subsubtypeId=35
 
Jmac279
The automakers [Mitsubishi and Chrysler] will use the basic chassis and suspension components planned for the next generation of Mitsubishi Lancer and the replacement for the Dodge Neon [SX 2.0, SRT-4] and stretch and modify them to build the larger Dodge Stratus and Mitsubishi Galant sedans and other midsize models

You said the current models are on Mitsubishi chasses, but they're not, as indicated by this quote from Edmunds. In fact, you said these planned, as-of-yet nonexistant models will be phased out. :lol:

I am surprised Edmunds got this right, to be honest. Usually they have their heads so far up their collective asses they tend to say nothing but ****.


Ironically, of the three models I've discussed this one is actually the least American once you scratch beneath the surface. The plain truth is that Dodge's Magnum (and Chrysler's 300) uses a healthy dose of Mercedes-engineered components. This fact will probably seem like heresy to patriotic types — until they drive a Magnum. The combination of Hemi engine power and Mercedes chassis design brings a whole new dimension to the term "hybrid."

So much for Edmunds not spewing crap...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=103765/subsubtypeId=35


Some perspective from people who actually know what the **** is going on:

Though Chrysler had already chosen rear wheel drive before the merger, hooking up with Mercedes allowed (some say forced) the use of existing technologies, including a low-end version of the Mercedes E-class automatic transmission (the A580 electronic automatic), and versions of Mercedes' stability control, steering, front suspensions, electronics, rear suspensions, and seats. It is hard to tell how much - if any - this has saved (or cost) in development, since DaimlerChrysler is still working hard to justify the takeover of Chrysler Corporation in the face of stockholder lawsuits, and Chrysler reportedly is paying steep royalties for their use of these components (some of which are provided by outside suppliers in any case). Chrysler had already developed a five-speed automatic for trucks; it's used with the Hemi.

The rear suspension / differential is a module isolated from the body. The front suspension is cradle mounted and has dual ball joints in the lower links for added tuning ability.

A Mercedes telematic system (paid for by Chrysler) similar to OnStar, but interacting with your cell-phone if you have AT&T wireless, will be offered. We'd hope European offerings have a diesel option, since over half of vehicles sold there are diesels.

The LX cars will use the Mercedes E class traction control, electronic stability systems, axles, wire harnesses, automatic transmissions (downgraded to five speeds from six so Chrysler won't go into Mercedes turf - even as GM and Ford create a new six-speed automatic), steering columns, and other major suspension components. 20% of the Magnum's components are shared with Mercedes, according to Wolfgang Bernhard (40% of the Crossfire is Mercedes so these figures are to be taken lightly). All DaimlerChrysler vehicles are sharing a common parts bin, so in the future, that sort of differentiation will mean less; indeed, Chrysler-developed parts used on Mercedes are likely to be called Mercedes parts in future, if current proganda holds.

AutoWeek (Mark Vaughn) quoted chief engineer Burke Brown as saying that while Mercedes provided many components, "few parts are straight out the Benz bin." He cited the front suspension as having a lower roll center and wider track, for example. Another Chrysler engineer actually suggested that the LX had simply continued the LH front suspension, with minor changes. Perhaps an expert out there will decide which account is more truthful.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/index.html
 
uh, dude. Firebird Explained it perfectly. What he said was that the new LX cars dont use M-B chassis , not suspension. THe chassis is the frame and the parts that connect it to the axles. suspension might constitute a part of the frame, but not the whole thing. THe LX is basically a Chrysler frame, M-B suspension, Transmission, (which, ironically, is built in Indiana) and seats, with a Chrysler Engine and Body. There. Happy now?
 
The359
Where are you getting your information from...?

The high performance Grand Prix is named the GXP, not GTX. Both the new Monte Carlo SS and the Grand Prix GXP feature a 290hp 5.3L V8 named the LS4. The new Impala SS get's it as well.

Where are you getting your information from...?

The New Grand Prix GXP Will Be Replacing The Grand Prix GTP ComG And Will Feature A De-Tunned/De-Bored (keeping the same stroke) LS2 From The C6 Corvette. It Will Be Called the LS4 and will Have 303hp. Who knows if they will bring back the Grand Prix GTX, but i guess its up to SLP.
 
Caddilacs were V8 FWD cars that were fuel injected before these were. So yer wrong.



kingkn8
the 2006 grand prix and the 2006 monte carlo are getting a major power boost.
They are going to be the first V8 front wheel drive gm cars with fuel injection.
The grand prix gtx will go from 270hp to 325 hp and 280 ftlbs to 350 ftlbs
and the monte carlo 250 to 315 hp and 280 ftlbs to 315ftlbs. the are getting this from a new 305 5.0L V8 :sly:

QUESTION IS THIS GOOD ENOUGH FOR A FRONT WHEEL DRIVE???
OR SHOULD JUST CONVERT TO REAR WHEEL DRIVE???
 
Double_R
The cars butters and it uses the crappy mk1 slk chassis :yuck:

It "butters"? What exactly does butter have to do with any of this?

:lol:


Amusingly enough the Crossfire can outhandle the new SLK fairly handily, despite the old chassis and crappy old recirculating ball Mercedes steering. :D
 
Firebird
It "butters"? What exactly does butter have to do with any of this?

:lol:


Amusingly enough the Crossfire can outhandle the new SLK fairly handily, despite the old chassis and crappy old recirculating ball Mercedes steering. :D


Butters = Ugly

And I hardly doubt a car inferior in very way to the new slk can out handle it. Take your biased opinions to a biased crossfire fan boy board.
 
[sorry about the GTX I know it should be be GXP]

all i know is what i got out of a local dealership who gave me brochures {i can't spell :) } from one of the detroit auto shows they were at.

This guy here is pushing the 2005 3800 S/C both the Monte and Grand Prix with almost 300 hp now or so he claims i deep see one of the dyno videos i still think
all that power in front wheel drive car plus a big car at that is a waste.

I learned that the hard way with my 96 3.4L twin-dual cam 5 speed Grand Prix
after i stuck about 7000 in to the motor. { the whole upper half of the motor was done by street arsenal are they even around anymore??} anyways i couldn't get traction under any heavy accelaration and rear wheel drive actually turn...
maybe i should have spent money on the suspension...anyway i put the car into an overpass barrier when i lost my power steering on ice... lots and lots fun so much fun i believed i pissed my pants :dopey:
 
Double_R
Butters = Ugly

Butters =
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And I hardly doubt a car inferior in very way to the new slk can out handle it. Take your biased opinions to a biased crossfire fan boy board.

You "hardly doubt"? You do realize that this means you only doubt it a little bit...

:lol:

And I'm the biased one...

:lol: :lol: :lol:


This just reaffirms my opinion that an Englishman is the single last English-speaking person you'd want to ask a question about the English language.

"Butters"... :lol:


I bet you're a devout follower of Top Gear too.
 
Firebird
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You "hardly doubt"? You do realize that this means you only doubt it a little bit...

:lol:

And I'm the biased one...

:lol: :lol: :lol:


This just reaffirms my opinion that an Englishman is the single last English-speaking person you'd want to ask a question about the English language.

"Butters"... :lol:


I bet you're a devout follower of Top Gear too.


sorry my kind sir. thank you for pointing out my stupidity, i now realize that
i am stuck in the popular lexicon.

lol

I like top gear the tv show
 
The Grand Prix GXP is a 5.3L V8, not a 3.8L Supercharged V6. You're reading your brochure wrong.
 
Firebird
Butters =
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Butter =
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You "hardly doubt"? You do realize that this means you only doubt it a little bit...

:lol:

And I'm the biased one...

:lol: :lol: :lol:


This just reaffirms my opinion that an Englishman is the single last English-speaking person you'd want to ask a question about the English language.

"Butters"... :lol:


I bet you're a devout follower of Top Gear too.

Thats not butter thats cheese.
 
Firebird
Butters =
butters.gif


Butter =
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You "hardly doubt"? You do realize that this means you only doubt it a little bit...

:lol:

And I'm the biased one...

:lol: :lol: :lol:


This just reaffirms my opinion that an Englishman is the single last English-speaking person you'd want to ask a question about the English language.

"Butters"... :lol:


I bet you're a devout follower of Top Gear too.


Firebird
Amusingly enough the Crossfire can outhandle the new SLK fairly handily, despite the old chassis and crappy old recirculating ball Mercedes steering. :D

''fairly'' means it can only outhandle the slk a little bit. And shutup are you some kind of poof.
 
Double_R
''fairly'' means it can only outhandle the slk a little bit.

I know. I didn't say the Crossfire "soundly" ( or "strongly", "completely", "substantially", etc. ) outhandles the SLK.

Just "fairly handily": with no difficulty, to a certain extent.

And shutup are you some kind of poof.

"Shut up". It's two words.

And end a question with a question mark. "Are you some kind of poof?", is how it should look.


To answer your question: no, I'm not homosexual, so I'm not going to respond to any more of your sexual advances.



(And that really is a picture of a hunk of butter. It looks like it's thawing out after being kept in a freezer though, so maybe that has confused you into thinking it's cheese.)
 
The359
The Grand Prix GXP is a 5.3L V8, not a 3.8L Supercharged V6. You're reading your brochure wrong.

I know this, Schwan Pontiac is modding the 3.8L S/C I will see if i can post the dyno video supposedly they (not the gxp) are selling for around 35000 american
 
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