New Honda CRZ Type R for 2012

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Yes, and these cars weigh a third of a tonne less than a production car even with a roll cage. I'd say that's pretty light...

And we're getting off the CR-Z topic ;)
 
R1600Turbo
What's the base price on a stock CR-Z? No way all that stuff will tack on $20k...
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CR-Zs are around $20k.

The Civic Si Sedan was around $21k in 08 when the Mugen Si came out, which MSRP'd for like $29,995, and dealers even marked it up more.. The mods on that car are suspension, AXLE-BACK exhaust, wheels, tires, and everything else is visual. The CR-Z actually has some real performance mods on it, so they're going to milk it.
 
I love this idea, cant wait to see a us bound 200hp crz. Id actuall consider letting go of my baby (FA5 '11) for a 200hp type r crz. True, Im not happy with the general changes at honda and I absolutely love 8k with my k20 but there is no way to ignore the potential of the the combo at hand. More over we certainly want a type r in the honda line (asking for an nsx r replacement is a bit much!?)... I dont see a big downside to this idea.

Btw agreed with eric here, mugen products are expensive and that crz had lots of goodies. Getting recaros like that in a limited run crz would probably be 5k by themselves after dealers final made a sale... After engine body interior and suspension I could see that running up 20k on a base crz. Maybe 3k suspension, 2k tires wheels, 5k on body... It adds up quick with 3rd party parts from other tuners and lots of carbon.

Btw those numbers arent real but if you know the mugen si and its 30k tag you will not have a hard time seeing that thing getting a crazy premium (worthy or not).
 
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If Honda keeps the hybrid system for the Type R there is a likely danger the car will weigh more than the original Civic Type R from 2001, which was 1204kgs. Standard hybrid CR-Z is 1198kgs. Not good really.
They will need to do some serious stripping and lightweight panels.
 
Actually, I wouldnt call the '01 the original... That would be the '97/'98 ek9 type r (for civics). More over, the FD2 is what a 2012/'13 type r should be compared to since the dc5 and nsx are dead.
My only complaint with a crz-r would be the looks, I dont like the crz, its too much insight.
Otherwise, if they put fd2 effort into production/r&d I wouldnt be surprised to see a great car (though I am starting to wonder if I jumped on the kaboose of the old honda train by getting my '11 fa5 with the k20).
 
Kent
My only complaint with a crz-r would be the looks, I dont like the crz, its too much insight.
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Shun me for saying this, but I honestly think the CR-Z is the sportiest car Honda produces right now. (looks wise) I didn't like it at first but it's grown on me, and it makes an almost perfect example of what a modern day CR-X would look like.
 
Id have to disagree... The rearend is too tall and narrow while the front end is too round. We'd need some good fender flares, new rear hatch, and more open and edgy front for this to be a modern crx. Right now I think it eould be more appropriate to call the crz an insight cr. :P
 
While I dont like the new Si and the icreased body roll Ive heard from reviews (long live fa5), I somewhat doubt the crz beats the si in performance and doubt it handles a whole lot better than a fit (maybe even the new si as well).

That said I feel the same concern regarding hondas current state. Maybe sciubaru's frs will light a fire under honda and we will see a new s2400 or something!?
 
One of the guys I autocross with and respect the opinions of drove a CRZ and said there's no real enjoyment in driving it. Just really dull.


As for the new Si, I don't know what Honda's problem is. The design is awful and the coupe looks huge and bloated. And despite moving to a K24 (I've heard its basically the TSX motor?), they gained 4hp. WHOA. STAND BACK.

Sure it gained torque, but reflashing a stock 08 so that VTEC engages lower (4250rpm in my case) also gains tons of midrange and makes a higher peak torque.

AND the geniuses cast the exhaust manifold to the head. Time to jack up K20A head prices.
 
Kent
While I dont like the new Si and the icreased body roll Ive heard from reviews (long live fa5), I somewhat doubt the crz beats the si in performance and doubt it handles a whole lot better than a fit (maybe even the new si as well).
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R1600Turbo
Shun me for saying this, but I honestly think the CR-Z is the sportiest car Honda produces right now. (looks wise) I didn't like it at first but it's grown on me, and it makes an almost perfect example of what a modern day CR-X would look like.
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Yeah, the TL gave its k24 for the new si, which wreaks of toyota corolla xrs redesgn when they dropped the zz2 and went to the scion tc engine. Makes me wonder why they wouldnt have a crz with the k24 but then afain I still wouldnt be too impressed being that Im a k20 driver. Also, like eric Im wondering what honda was thinking going from super friendly tuning to integrated header.

Hopefully a type r crz will be the rebirth of sporting hondas (though I doubt it).
 
For those curious, there is a Mugen CR-Z Accessory Package.
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As you'd expect, it's all looks (bumper, grill, shift knob, wheels, etc.). The price for this option is $6,400 which means it'll run you about $27,000 to have a Mugen look-a-like without any of the performance mods. The price is apparently "justified" by Honda only offering 300 kits in the US. :rolleyes:

Taking this into consideration, I'll bet the full-spec'd Mugen shown above will run $35-40K easily considering that Mugen is quite proud of its actual performance parts.
 
Kent
Also, like eric Im wondering what honda was thinking going from super friendly tuning to integrated header.
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Cheaper and lighter. That's just one less part they have to engineer, design, and manufacture. It also happens to save weight. Besides that, I'm not aware of any practical performance or efficiency benefit. But hey, at least ya'll don't have to spend a bazillion dollars on a complicated header now.

The first time I saw an integrated header casting I couldn't figure out which end was which. Never seen anything like it before. Makes sense, but I sill don't like it because I'm stubborn.
 
This car has made the meaning of "sports hybrid". Now, with a few tweaks it could be a real riot. Hopefully they'll put the supercharger in a Mugen catalog, just for the sleeper and subtle effect.​

 
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Keef
Cheaper and lighter. That's just one less part they have to engineer, design, and manufacture. It also happens to save weight. Besides that, I'm not aware of any practical performance or efficiency benefit. But hey, at least ya'll don't have to spend a bazillion dollars on a complicated header now.

The first time I saw an integrated header casting I couldn't figure out which end was which. Never seen anything like it before. Makes sense, but I sill don't like it because I'm stubborn.
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No, that means we would still need to spend a bazillion dollars on a good header as well as a K20 head of some sort.

I had never looked at what an integrated exhaust manifold really was like...it looks about as restrictive as possible. If Honda wants to start caring about emissions on the Si they need to put direct injection on it. But who cares, the Civic Si is only a consideration anymore because its a Honda. For the reliability, 8k redline, and the gearbox. It sounds like the new one is even softer than mine, which it seems most people hate on to begin with.
 
So Mugen have made a bad job of it handling wise so far according to Autocar. Hopefully they will refine it until it can promote the brand.
It is nice that they have actually reduced the weight to 1148kgs from 1198kgs with 207bhp, so it's power to weight is better than any other European Type R model currently and in history. 180bhp/ton.
 
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Sorry to hear about the mugens handling, I wonder how much the crz really has in common with the insight. The engine doesnt exactly impress either. I mean use the k24 or something but atleast match next gen power, not k20 power from the previous generation. Bottom line: Im looking forward to what Honda can do with a type r.
 
Interesting to read the handling comments and how things like that can clearly differ from person to person, as they previewed the car a few weeks back on a development mule without the supercharger but with the same chassis and said it handled great.

Spoon's version of the car is supposed to be pretty impressive in the corners too so the chassis is obviously decent out of the box, it just needs refining.

The biggest problem for me is still the nasty Mugen bodykit.
 
Kent
Bottom line: Im looking forward to what Honda can do with a type r.
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If they go that far. Honda has turned into Toyota and we know how long it's even taken them give us the FT-86. (which still isn't significant)
 
eSZee
I think you're in the wrong thread.
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Am I?

OP; tentatively scheduled for 2012, looks like ditching the hybrid aspect and fitting in a new 1.6 turbo petrol engine. Two versions of this engine are being made a 160bhp and 200bhp. The Type R should get the 200bhp. This engine will also replace the 2.0 unit of the Civic Type R, this should make the Type R brand more competitive again, i have a feeling the turbo engines should be higher revving than other brands as vtec will still be used i gather.
 

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