New idea for GT Academy 2014

[Ridox2JZGTE]

But there's one that refuse to drive cars with less than racing tires on TTs, even though he's fast with or without aids, and often won TTs - only on racing cars

 

[LeGeNd-1]

They should make ABS optional like every other aid except SRF. But they need to allow us to adjust brake balance. But then this would include tuning, so it won't be a level playing field. I think the current restrictions are fine. If they want to make ABS off competitive the physics need to be overhauled so the current sliding driving style is not possible (or at least slower than a minimal 4 wheel drift like in real life).

Having said that, the same suspects will still probably end up at the top. These drivers are fast and extremely adaptable. So the end result will be the same. You'd just be alienating lesser skilled players which is never a good thing.

 

[super_gt]

They should make ABS optional like every other aid except SRF. But they need to allow us to adjust brake balance. But then this would include tuning, so it won't be a level playing field. I think the current restrictions are fine. If they want to make ABS off competitive the physics need to be overhauled so the current sliding driving style is not possible (or at least slower than a minimal 4 wheel drift like in real life).

Having said that, the same suspects will still probably end up at the top. These drivers are fast and extremely adaptable. So the end result will be the same. You'd just be alienating lesser skilled players which is never a good thing.

This is what I want physics improvement,better car balance more realism.

 

[trancend]

GT Academy allows assists. What a joke, I wouldn't even bother.

I think its a bunch of crap to say that the people that have previously won with assist's would be the same to win without. First of all, it doesn't even make sense - oh, "these people are adaptable", adaptable to what, letting a computer drive for them. Ok, take this to the logical extreme, call them super assists, then to drive all's you need to do is get in, start the car, and hold the gas to the floor, and the car will turn, accelerate, and break for you while taking the fastest possible path around the course in the fastest possible time for that cars setup. So, anyone who can hold an accelerator to the floor is equally skilled.

The sole purpose of GT Academy is to prove that virtual driving skills can translate to real-world skills when training in GT's "simulator". Allowing assists that either don't exist in the real world (SRF) or behave like their real counterpart (ABS) completely invalidates the whole purpose of the competition.

I've spent many hours playing with all the games settings, and it pretty much narrows down to this: allowing assists allows one drive with errors that would otherwise cause them to loose time (and even spin out or crash), and takes out almost all the significance of tuning. Breaking stability can dialed in with Diff, Break Balance, Suspension, Weight, Downforce, and Tire settings; Turning stability can be dialed with Suspension, Weight, Downforce, and Tire settings.

I'm honestly shocked and would never even attempt this competition with cheaters on the grid.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

^It's not that hard to adapt to ABS: 0. Being able to adapt the quickest is what makes a great racing driver.
Oh, and I don't know about you, but I'd say it's working pretty well for Nissan.

 

[BanditKarter22]

GT Academy allows assists. What a joke, I wouldn't even bother.

I think its a bunch of crap to say that the people that have previously won with assist's would be the same to win without. First of all, it doesn't even make sense - oh, "these people are adaptable", adaptable to what, letting a computer drive for them. Ok, take this to the logical extreme, call them super assists, then to drive all's you need to do is get in, start the car, and hold the gas to the floor, and the car will turn, accelerate, and break for you while taking the fastest possible path around the course in the fastest possible time for that cars setup. So, anyone who can hold an accelerator to the floor is equally skilled.

The sole purpose of GT Academy is to prove that virtual driving skills can translate to real-world skills when training in GT's "simulator". Allowing assists that either don't exist in the real world (SRF) or behave like their real counterpart (ABS) completely invalidates the whole purpose of the competition.

I've spent many hours playing with all the games settings, and it pretty much narrows down to this: allowing assists allows one drive with errors that would otherwise cause them to loose time (and even spin out or crash), and takes out almost all the significance of tuning. Breaking stability can dialed in with Diff, Break Balance, Suspension, Weight, Downforce, and Tire settings; Turning stability can be dialed with Suspension, Weight, Downforce, and Tire settings.

I'm honestly shocked and would never even attempt this competition with cheaters on the grid.

You're completely out of line saying that. All the guys near the top of the leaderboard in GT Academy are extremely skilled, if you want to be as good as us them you should stop complaining and get practising!

 

[trancend]

^It's not that hard to adapt to ABS: 0. Being able to adapt the quickest is what makes a great racing driver.
Oh, and I don't know about you, but I'd say it's working pretty well for Nissan.

Its not that hard for you, or everyone? For controllers and lower end wheels that have pedals without enough spring resistance and range of motion, assists (ie, ABS) is pretty much required. With ABS set to one I can simply mash my G27's break to the floor with no worries of lockup or upsetting balance. For street cars ABS has much less of an effect, but for hi-speed race cars its night and day, and breaking just as late and hard with flawless stability is the difference between mastery timing and foot control and simply mashing down your foot.

ABS works wonders for all its countless racing applications, but GT's implementation of seems awfully forgiving, and seems to keep the car extremely stable under heavy breaking when simply clicking it to 1 (even when I try to force an upset with wheel inputs). Never driven a race car, but my integra's ABS sure doesn't have this property.

You're completely out of line saying that. All the guys near the top of the leaderboard in GT Academy are extremely skilled, if you want to be as good as us them you should stop complaining and get practising!

Extremely skilled at a video game. I've only watched one episode of GT Academy, and it looks like an awful lot of them have trouble handling a real car.

Nonetheless, the whole contest is based on a video game, and I won't deny they are skilled. However, by knowing first hand the extent of forgiveness the driving aids provide, I simply don't respect them, or the integrity of the competition, as much as I would if it was held without assists. It would just seem much more appropriate, being that it is held in the spirit of skill, which allowing assists requires less of.

 

[super_gt]

Its not that hard for you, or everyone? For controllers and lower end wheels that have pedals without enough spring resistance and range of motion, assists (ie, ABS) is pretty much required. With ABS set to one I can simply mash my G27's break to the floor with no worries of lockup or upsetting balance. For street cars ABS has much less of an effect, but for hi-speed race cars its night and day, and breaking just as late and hard with flawless stability is the difference between mastery timing and foot control and simply mashing down your foot.

ABS works wonders for all its countless racing applications, but GT's implementation of seems awfully forgiving, and seems to keep the car extremely stable under heavy breaking when simply clicking it to 1 (even when I try to force an upset with wheel inputs). Never driven a race car, but my integra's ABS sure doesn't have this property.

For me ABS-1 makes braking arcade.

 

[BanditKarter22]

Extremely skilled at a video game. I've only watched one episode of GT Academy, and it looks like an awful lot of them have trouble handling a real car.

Nonetheless, the whole contest is based on a video game, and I won't deny they are skilled. However, by knowing first hand the extent of forgiveness the driving aids provide, I simply don't respect them, or the integrity of the competition, as much as I would if it was held without assists. It would just seem much more appropriate, being that it is held in the spirit of skill, which allowing assists requires less of.

It's fair for everyone, and yes, some people may have trouble handling real cars, but the ones that don't will rise to the top. I was actually faster than the instructor in one of the challenges at race camp, that says a lot for how the game develops driving skills!

 

[Green]

@super_gt

Fact is it doesn't matter what you think. It's Nissan's who are giving out the prizes, so either play by their rules or don't play.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

Its not that hard for you, or everyone? For controllers and lower end wheels that have pedals without enough spring resistance and range of motion, assists (ie, ABS) is pretty much required. With ABS set to one I can simply mash my G27's break to the floor with no worries of lockup or upsetting balance. For street cars ABS has much less of an effect, but for hi-speed race cars its night and day, and breaking just as late and hard with flawless stability is the difference between mastery timing and foot control and simply mashing down your foot.

ABS works wonders for all its countless racing applications, but GT's implementation of seems awfully forgiving, and seems to keep the car extremely stable under heavy breaking when simply clicking it to 1 (even when I try to force an upset with wheel inputs). Never driven a race car, but my integra's ABS sure doesn't have this property.

If your a good racer(which GTA guys are) then you shouldn't have many problems making the change to no ABS. Fact is GTA works.
And don't double post.

 

[trancend]

It's fair for everyone, and yes, some people may have trouble handling real cars, but the ones that don't will rise to the top. I was actually faster than the instructor in one of the challenges at race camp, that says a lot for how the game develops driving skills!

You were there? Are you an alumni? (I'm not being sarcastic).

 

[super_gt]

@super_gt

Fact is it doesn't matter what you think. It's Nissan's who are giving out the prizes, so either play by their rules or don't play.

I will play but my ABS-off.

 

[Green]

I will play but my ABS-off.

Good for you mate

I suggest anyone who wants to qualify for the finals of GT Academy to turn off all aids including ABS.
The difference between ABS-1 and ABS-off is huge.
I like challenges what about you?

But your thread has absolutely no point to it. Your suggesting if we want to qualify for GT Acad turn off ABS, even though there is a lot of evidence to say that it's faster/easier to qualify with ABS on. Then you through in some random question "I like challenges how about you". 🤬🤬

 

[gm matthew]

In an ultra-competitive competition like GT Academy, no one seriously hoping to win would deliberately handicap themselves by turning ABS off. Say there was a UK driver who refused to run with ABS, and he managed to set a 2:17.8xx in the 2013 qualifier. Yes, that may be more impressive than someone who set, say, a 2:17.5xx with ABS on. But it's not (just) about being impressive, it's about the quickest times, and the guy who used ABS to his advantage goes through to national finals, while the guy who refused to use ABS misses out.

In any event, someone who refuses to take advantage of a feature that would enhance their chances of winning clearly lacks the burning desire to win, and anyone who lacks that psychologically doesn't stand a chance.

The ideal solution would be if turning ABS off allowed you to brake harder than if ABS was turned on. That way, all the hardcore drivers would run with ABS off, and the not-so-hardcore drivers would probably leave it on. However, until PD decides to implement such a system we'll just have to deal with it.

Even if ABS was forced off, I doubt it would make much difference overall. The fastest guys need phenomenally good accelerator control, so it stands to reason that they would likely also master brake control which requires exactly the same skills.

 

[trancend]

They will. You can change the settings in game, change the game entirely, the same cream will always rise to the top. We had this same discussion in previous competitions with things like corner cutting, physics bugs etc. The fastest people do whatever they have to do to get to the top but take things away from them, they'll adapt and still be the fastest.

Yup, its true. The winners of GTA exceed at everything. From running the country, owning major corporations, to home gardening and even martial arts! These guys are the know all be all entites we can only dream of aspiring to. I shutter at the mear thought of their glory.

In an ultra-competitive competition like GT Academy, no one seriously hoping to win would deliberately handicap themselves by turning ABS off. Say there was a UK driver who refused to run with ABS, and he managed to set a 2:17.8xx in the 2013 qualifier. Yes, that may be more impressive than someone who set, say, a 2:17.5xx with ABS on. But it's not (just) about being impressive, it's about the quickest times, and the guy who used ABS to his advantage goes through to national finals, while the guy who refused to use ABS misses out.

In any event, someone who refuses to take advantage of a feature that would enhance their chances of winning clearly lacks the burning desire to win, and anyone who lacks that psychologically doesn't stand a chance.

The ideal solution would be if turning ABS off allowed you to brake harder than if ABS was turned on. That way, all the hardcore drivers would run with ABS off, and the not-so-hardcore drivers would probably leave it on. However, until PD decides to implement such a system we'll just have to deal with it.

Even if ABS was forced off, I doubt it would make much difference overall. The fastest guys need phenomenally good accelerator control, so it stands to reason that they would likely also master brake control which requires exactly the same skills.

You couldnt be more correct, and this argument is the same conclusion I myself have concluded and is why I am starting to drive with assists.

Its funny you mention it, bc some cars do feel spongy with ABS on, and I feel like I can get a harder bit sooner without it, but its very hard to do, and Im still new to assists so I have yet to have good feel between the two (ABS on or off). However, i do feel a significant difference.

^It's not that hard to adapt to ABS: 0. Being able to adapt the quickest is what makes a great racing driver.
Oh, and I don't know about you, but I'd say it's working pretty well for Nissan.

In GTA Season 1 Episode 2, when they are shown the open wheel car (forgot what its called already) the instructor stated clearly that there are absolutely no mechanical or electronical assists. These are cars used in the lower echelons of formula racing I presume. Thought it was worth mentioning.

The game is a much deeper experience in both tuning and driving with assists off, that is for sure!

A strong point to the validity of assists in a simulator is that they compensate for all the feedback one is missing from being in an actual moving car with forces exerted on it, and therefore the driver.

Assists help to make up for this "blindness" that occurs when racing a virtual car.

I wish they would show weight indicators on the screen, like a translucent circle that cycles between different intesities of red and blue to indicate where the latitudinal and longitudinal forces are, so one can see what they would normally feel, and use the information just the same (when to back off or hammer down).

 

[mustafur]

ABS 0 is far from realistic, PD knows there ABS sytem is flawed thats why they allow ABS on.

My Car in real hasn't got ABS and I can hit the brake pedal 3 times harder then what it takes on GT5 to lock them up before I start to get locked Tyres.

Not to mention im pretty sure the standard 370Z Nismo they get you to drive has ABS is that cheating that its production spec?

 

[gm matthew]

ABS 0 is far from realistic, PD knows there ABS sytem is flawed thats why they allow ABS on.

My Car in real hasn't got ABS and I can hit the brake pedal 3 times harder then what it takes on GT5 to lock them up before I start to get locked Tyres.

Not to mention im pretty sure the standard 370Z Nismo they get you to drive has ABS is that cheating that its production spec?

It's probably just a limitation of using pedals in the game; unless you've got really good pedals (such as Fanatec ClubSport), you don't have to press nearly as hard on the brake compared to real life in order to get the car to slow down, or indeed lock the wheels. Anyone who has a Driving Force GT knows what I'm talking about.

 

[super_gt]

It's probably just a limitation of using pedals in the game; unless you've got really good pedals (such as Fanatec ClubSport), you don't have to press nearly as hard on the brake compared to real life in order to get the car to slow down, or indeed lock the wheels. Anyone who has a Driving Force GT knows what I'm talking about.

I have DFGT.
I made a pedals mod and now to press brake pedal I have to apply 40kg pressure,for gas pedal 15kg of pressure.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

There is a Japanese racer ( Wolf Aono/ SB Wolf ) now on TT76 with 550PP NSX R LM, comfort soft, no ABS, high BB ( near max value ) - on a wheel and currently 1st in the world. Ignore the cheater with GSXR. If he's in GT Academy, I would guess he's going into the final. Check out his replay Superb driving without aids.

Now, the usual aliens and quick drivers are using ABS 1, try imagine if they are to use ABS 0, will they be able to get close to Wolf's time

 

[jimipitbull]

I suggest anyone who wants to qualify for the finals of GT Academy to turn off all aids including ABS.
The difference between ABS-1 and ABS-off is huge.
I like challenges what about you?

My ABS are racing hard like a six pack.

ABS 1 is not faster, just easier.

 

[super_gt]

There is a Japanese racer ( Wolf Aono/ SB Wolf ) now on TT76 with 550PP NSX R LM, comfort soft, no ABS, high BB ( near max value ) - on a wheel and currently 1st in the world. Ignore the cheater with GSXR. If he's in GT Academy, I would guess he's going into the final. Check out his replay Superb driving without aids.

Now, the usual aliens and quick drivers are using ABS 1, try imagine if they are to use ABS 0, will they be able to get close to Wolf's time

Now there is four guys with ABS-off,three with Honda.
I can't play online end watch replay because I deleted update-2.15.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Now there is four guys with ABS-off,two with Honda.
I can't play online end watch replay because I deleted update-2.15.

Both Wolf are the same person, the GSXR on top 10 are cheater. BanditKarter is current world number one, with Wolf close in 2nd. Ignore LEONIS.

 

[super_gt]

Both Wolf are the same person, the GSXR on top 10 are cheater. BanditKarter is current world number one, with Wolf close in 2nd. Ignore LEONIS.

I like these guys,great time trial.
I look forward to GT6 time trials.

 

[mustafur]

I have DFGT.
I made a pedals mod and now to press brake pedal I have to apply 40kg pressure,for gas pedal 15kg of pressure.

so basically you make your brake pedals infinitely easier to use ABS off, then go to everyone that is using ABS is a cheater?

 

[Jared93]

It's fair for everyone, and yes, some people may have trouble handling real cars, but the ones that don't will rise to the top. I was actually faster than the instructor in one of the challenges at race camp, that says a lot for how the game develops driving skills!

To an extent yes, the game will definitely develop your driving but there are a few things that will never be picked up through a game & one of them is the mental clarity while being on the limit. If you don't know what that feels like & how to manage it in real life your in-game skills will only take you so far.

As for the allowance of all aids other than SRF - I don't agree with that one bit. When I set top 50 TT laps & there are guys in front of me using TCS or ASM I can't help but feel the smallest bit cheated.

 

[mustafur]

To an extent yes, the game will definitely develop your driving but there are a few things that will never be picked up through a game & one of them is the mental clarity while being on the limit. If you don't know what that feels like & how to manage it in real life your in-game skills will only take you so far.

As for the allowance of all aids other than SRF - I don't agree with that one bit. When I set top 50 TT laps & there are guys in front of me using TCS or ASM I can't help but feel the smallest bit cheated.

think of it this way, those aids make you slower.

 

[super_gt]

so basically you make your brake pedals infinitely easier to use ABS off, then go to everyone that is using ABS is a cheater?

With standart Logitech DFGT pedals is impossible to brake with ABS-OFF.

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

First issue GT5 with out abs is not much like a real car with no abs!!! A real car does not lock its brakes if just brush the brake pedal!!! brakes lock up cos of many reasons rear brakes lock cos of engine braking that why you use heal toe etc. So If you want aids to go to prove your the real superstar the games gonna have to be way different than it is.

Secondly to say the gt academy boys can't drive is stupid some of these guys have so little real driving experience. If you have ever seen a top European karter getting in a open wheel race car at 16 you will know what I mean .
Racing takes time and money. I can't remember which uk guy it was had just passed his test but really he's not gonna beat some one with real car experience in just a week even if he's the next Raffaele Marciello.


My ideas would be

1. Force you to use cockpit view.

2. At the national finals have a GP meeting ie practice qualifying heat races of say 30 mins then a 90 min race with tyre wear like a gt planet weekly race series race the pressure with 10 laps to go would be EPIC

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

That's input device ( pedal ) and driver issues, if not, how Wolf can drive so quick with no ABS and high BB ( confirmed ) at current TT - NSX-R LM with comfort soft at Spa ? If this TT is used for GT Academy and ABS is forced off - but driver can change BB, it would be fun to see the usual alien using ABS 1 fighting against driver like Wolf.

GT Academy should have BB unlocked, so everyone is on level playing field ( use BB that suits them best ), brake balance is personal preference, not tuning that will make a car faster. PD is so silly to lock 5/5 BB both when using assist and not using it.