New Immigration Laws The US Should Adopt

[wfooshee]

Well yes of course it will also affect us american citizens, you are absolutely right. There's always consequences for everything, thats why as for most U.S citizen will disagree with this law. I only see this dream act as a solution to gain some money due to a critical economy but for a long term issue, it will not work.

Then why do it in the first place?????? And I have no idea how anyone can see it as a gain, even short-term.

Someone leaves a baby in a basket on my porch. . . . How am I in any imaginable way responsible for that baby's care and feeding?

How is granting these kids amnesty (thus putting them on the public dole) any different? This amnesty would flood our country's porches overnight.

Visit El Paso or San Diego. Even just look at them on Google Earth. The slums of Juarez are visible from I-10 just west of El Paso. Have a look at that and then think about what those people will do to get to our side of the river. Giving even the slightest bit of encouragement is just, politically speaking, (well, maybe literally speaking, too) stupid. These people are a burden on the public economy and contribute nothing in return. We feed them, care for them in our hospitals, house some of them in our jails, with nothing from them or their government to pay for it. Who wouldn't want such a deal?

As for Canada, we get a huge volume of tourists during the winter where I live (Florida's gulf coast.) They come down in fleets of Buicks and Crown Vics in November, stay until MTV shows up for Spring Break. They can be annoying, they drive too slow, they're in the way at any restaurant you want to go to, but they bring their own money, and pay their own way. Then when they're done they go home.


Edit for follow-up: All the tirade about public dole, who wouldn't want such a deal, etc, is directed at the families bringing the kids in. If the kid graduates high school, good for him, but that doesn't make him a citizen qualified to compete with genuine citizens in our job market.

And frankly, I'm not sure how an illegal gets their kids through high school in the first place. Something wrong with that picture, too.

 

[Prosthetic]

Go pray to a God

Wow... no.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Now wait a second here guys...

Are we talking about illegal immigration now? I was rather shocked after reading some opinions from some posters in here, but I am not sure if we are talking about illegal, legal, or illegal AND legal immigration now...

As far as my own opinion goes (and I hope I'm not trying to extinguish the fire with gasoline now..)

I do have a problem with illegal immigration. After I immigrated from Belgium to Norway, I realized just how hard it is to get used to the culture here and the language. It was easy for others to spread rumors about me behind my back without me knowing what they are talking about. But at the same time I was fascinated about how we are able to share ideas and our culture, even without the ability to speak the native language. (did I use native correctly now?) Also, I was stunned at how fast I learned the language. It's hard in the two first months, but after three-four months I could follow every single conversation, or most of them, and after six months I practically spoke the language, and I was able to lead conversations myself.

Now that I'm on my way to my fourth year of being a "Norwegian" feelings are still mixed. You feel like you're a part of the culture, yet you'll always have that "foreigner" feeling to it.

After these three and a half years that I've lived here, my family and I realized how hard it is to actually earn enough money in one the richest countries in the world. Father has started his own company, and I am an employee there. He now has two jobs but that is not enough, oh no it isn't. My mother also has a job, that makes three jobs for two people. We are currently also in the process of building our own house. So as you can see, we have started a whole new life here in Norway.

This all makes me a little irked at how easy some illegal immigrants get access to a country. By illegal I now mean those who just flee from a country, and say "Hey! I had to run, give me my house!" When we immigrated we had to take care of a ton of things before we were allowed into the country, and before we had allowance to buy a house. I was not all for free either... I am a little annoyed that other people just flee into the country without taking care of anything. We paid a bunch to get in here, so you do too! If you know what I mean

But on the other side, I could not imagine what kind of a life I would have led if I were a citizen of a country were there is war. If my family would've been murdered then things are not exactly easy either if you're getting a "Pay your ass off, you're in" answer.

I was going to type "What in the world would I begin to start a new life if I don't have any money?" when I thought about the word asylum. Is this being viewed upon as illegal immigration as well?

Holland is the epicenter of immigration around here.

America only? I don't think so The place where I live is nicknamed "New Holland".

On that, my town needs the immigrants, otherwise I wouldn't even be on the map! About 50% of all employed people here are not Norwegians...

 

[FoolKiller]

Now wait a second here guys...

Are we talking about illegal immigration now? I was rather shocked after reading some opinions from some posters in here, but I am not sure if we are talking about illegal, legal, or illegal AND legal immigration now...

I will clear this up for you real quick.

No one here has an issue with legal immigrants coming to our country, finding a better life, and participating in all the pros and cons of American life. Most Americans welcome them. The only issue many people have with legal immigrants is when they join a new culture and then request the culture bend over to fit their cultural desires. The most frequent example of this is language barriers. Many managers in industries that hire a large number of Hispanic immigrants have to learn Spanish in order to work with their employees.

But we all welcome people who wish to legally join our melting pot culture.

The issue is illegal immigrants. They sneak in, have no legal records, rarely pay taxes, use our social programs, and as there is no record of them they can commit crime with a high likelihood of not being found.


The debate on how to deal with illegal immigrants varies between deporting them all back to their home country to just forgiving them all and making them citizens. There are probably 100 different ideas in the middle.

By illegal I now mean those who just flee from a country, and say "Hey! I had to run, give me my house!"

Many illegal immigrants in the US are just coming from poorer countries, not running from anything other than less than ideal living conditions.

But on the other side, I could not imagine what kind of a life I would have led if I were a citizen of a country were there is war. If my family would've been murdered then things are not exactly easy either if you're getting a "Pay your ass off, you're in" answer.

I was going to type "What in the world would I begin to start a new life if I don't have any money?" when I thought about the word asylum. Is this being viewed upon as illegal immigration as well?

Asylum, especially in war-type situations is a completely different thing. They are not full citizens at first, but are granted permission from the US government to stay in order to be protected from their home government. We also grant temporary work visas to immigrants, so this is not an unusual situation. As with those work visas there are legal processes that can be taken to make their residency permanent. If they choose not to do that then after their work visa, or war-torn situation back home is over they are expected to return home. In some cases the immigrants will just move without reporting it and get lost in the population, then becoming an illegal immigrant.

The biggest issue with asylum is that often in the US it is less about taking care of someone who needs it and more about flaunting it in the face of political enemy countries. As the US is border by two countries that have very little war, Canada and Mexico, it is rare to have large numbers of immigrants seeking asylum. The most common instance of asylum are Cubans using makeshift boats to get to Florida. But even in that instance it is rare to grant them asylum, unless they are truly an enemy of Castro's government. It is not uncommon for us to turn boats around when they are just impoverished Cubans looking for something better.

On that, my town needs the immigrants, otherwise I wouldn't even be on the map! About 50% of all employed people here are not Norwegians...

I notice in Europe this is much more common due to the regional closeness. You saying that is like me saying that if it weren't for people from Southern Indiana many of the businesses in Louisville, KY would struggle to find employees.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Your heartless dude, thats why the world is going to end soon from people like you!

No, I'm heartfull. I'm looking out for the best interest of my family and fellow citizens, which makes me very compassionate. Illegal immigrants are making our lives very unsafe. To say I'm heartless is showing your ignorance.

If anybody is heartless here, it's the Mexican people. Why don't they take care of these people; their own fellow citizens? Why should we do it? If the Mexicans don't give a damn about them, then why should we?

By the way, Mexico is the country with the most billionaires in the world. Go ask them to help your poor Mexicans.

Go pray to a God, it seems like you have lost your soul.

Jebus' gonna come an hep me?

 

[YSSMAN]

America only? I don't think so The place where I live is nicknamed "New Holland".

Just in Philly and I's neck of the woods. West Michigan is still moderately agricultural, but during the summer, Holland takes on a pretty big influx of migrant workers. Otherwise, its all just a big bunch of Dutch, German, and Polish folk.

 

[Bram Turismo]

I will clear this up for you real quick.

No one here has an issue with legal immigrants coming to our country, finding a better life, and participating in all the pros and cons of American life. Most Americans welcome them. The only issue many people have with legal immigrants is when they join a new culture and then request the culture bend over to fit their cultural desires. The most frequent example of this is language barriers. Many managers in industries that hire a large number of Hispanic immigrants have to learn Spanish in order to work with their employees.

But we all welcome people who wish to legally join our melting pot culture.

The issue is illegal immigrants. They sneak in, have no legal records, rarely pay taxes, use our social programs, and as there is no record of them they can commit crime with a high likelihood of not being found.

Ah, nice sum up there. Thanks 👍

So, what do you think is the cause of these people trying to make us bend our own rules? I do understand what you are talking about, I seem to share the same feelings but since you say most illegal immigrants are from poorer countries; What makes them immigrate illegally? Laziness? Egoism?

As for people accepting immigrants:

I do not know how Americans view upon immigrants (but I suggest they are as welcoming to others as people here), but I get the feeling that nearly everybody is very "warm-hearted" towards us immigrants. They make some jokes with me sometimes, but it's never meant seriously. "Freagin' foreigner" is something some of the other guys call me, but with a look to each other, a laugh always arrives shortly after

 

[FoolKiller]

So, what do you think is the cause of these people trying to make us bend our own rules?

Likely the mindset that they come to the US for this land of opportunity and find it is a land of opportunity only if you can work with the system. So, they have their expectations not met and complain. With enough of a certain group (the US has many Hispanics) they can actually create a political force. Also, the US does not have any kind of official language, so legally there is no grounds to force immigrants to learn English.

Personally, I think it is a case of them refusing to work with the system, but still learning the system well enough to be able to push it to change for them. And for people coming from a poor, uneducated background I can see how things like learning a new language can appear to be huge challenge.

Part of it is also civil liberties lawyers that prey on these people. They claim to want to help (and may even believe that is what they are doing), but all they do is make poor immigrants into a face for political purposes. The end result is that an employer may or may not have to change how they work and the immigrant is now not welcome at that job for more personal reasons. These lawyers make the situation worse, and I believe, may even help grow racism among Americans by causing them to become angry at the immigrants.

I do understand what you are talking about, I seem to share the same feelings but since you say most illegal immigrants are from poorer countries; What makes them immigrate illegally? Laziness? Egoism?

I would say laziness, but to be honest it is more about bureaucracy. It can take five years or more to become a full citizen. They can get temporary visas to work and use those until the process is completed. That visa may even help them in the process as they prove to be a benefit to society. But if the naturalization process takes too long their visa could run out. They may have an option to renew, but not always.

This is why Danoff and I do not just say we need to stop illegal immigration, but also make it easier to legally immigrate. If you want to slow illegal immigration the quickest way to do that is make it so that it doesn't appear to be the only option some of them have.

I do not know how Americans view upon immigrants (but I suggest they are as welcoming to others as people here), but I get the feeling that nearly everybody is very "warm-hearted" towards us immigrants. They make some jokes with me sometimes, but it's never meant seriously. "Freagin' foreigner" is something some of the other guys call me, but with a look to each other, a laugh always arrives shortly after

I have worked with many immigrants. In fact, I need two bilingual Hispanics on my staff due to the large amount of Spanish language stuff we do. In general, I have never had any reason to view them any different from the rest of the people I have worked with.

Having said that, non-immigrant employees must put off some form of negative vibe, as immigrants from similar backgrounds (Hispanic, Middle Eastern, etc) tend to group together in social situations. If it isn't that then it may just be a natural comfort thing.

 

[livemusic]

I don't know about other countries, but in Brazil it's very hard to emigrate to the USA legally, unless you have a job there already waiting for you. It's not just bureaucracy, if you say you want to go to North America to look for a job they won't get you a VISA.

What people usually do over here is get a tourist VISA valid for a few weeks or months and then they stay there living illegaly. But even that VISA is hard to get sometimes. Alternativally they go to Mexico and try to cross the border.