NEW TOP 5 Rank Leader Board! Post your times! 2.15!

[c-losk]

This is getting really annoying, I agree with kingking this leaderboard is to maximize one cars potential, let it be retro, BS, timed or FT launches, what's the problem?

You can't match the top guys times? Neither can I, does it make me call foul everytime I can't do it? NO, I just play the game Who cares if I'm not as fast as the other guys, it's just a game.

Besides a top tune at the X is not gonna make you win every race at Indy we've been thru this already, if you don't like the game just don't play it.

 

[Shells N Cheese]

It wasn't considered cheating. It wasn't allowed because some people don't understand what it is, or how to do it.

A for of a definition of cheating

A lot of people still don't know how to do it, I could do it if I felt like it but I don't because it was considered cheating.

I swear dude, only a handful of people want this, so you're saying that if I round up 5 people that want to allow E-Cheating or SRF that it will happen just because a few people want it? Why can't we just keep the leaderboard the way it is now, what is so hard about that, I don't understand, the cars are already maxed out, and once they get maxed out with a retro launch then what are you going to do, E-Cheat? Still nobody answered my question as to how a BSL leaderboard wouldn't work? People lie on this one all the time and get caught, so why can't they get caught if they lie on a BSL leaderboard?

 

[FastFurious77]

eh dear

 

[JDmsz]

I hope this bull don't go on until gt6.

 

[Nickrows]

A for of a definition of cheating

A lot of people still don't know how to do it, I could do it if I felt like it but I don't because it was considered cheating.

I swear dude, only a handful of people want this, so you're saying that if I round up 5 people that want to allow E-Cheating or SRF that it will happen just because a few people want it? Why can't we just keep the leaderboard the way it is now, what is so hard about that, I don't understand, the cars are already maxed out, and once they get maxed out with a retro launch then what are you going to do, E-Cheat? Still nobody answered my question as to how a BSL leaderboard wouldn't work? People lie on this one all the time and get caught, so why can't they get caught if they lie on a BSL leaderboard?

Then start a BSL leaderboard. It'll be a lot harder to catch a lie on that.

 

[Mikeybc]

This is getting really annoying, I agree with kingking this leaderboard is to maximize one cars potential, let it be retro, BS, timed or FT launches, what's the problem?

You can't match the top guys times? Neither can I, does it make me call foul everytime I can't do it? NO, I just play the game Who cares if I'm not as fast as the other guys, it's just a game.

Besides a top tune at the X is not gonna make you win every race at Indy we've been thru this already, if you don't like the game just don't play it.

Yeah, pretty much how I feel, Is this the 3rd or the 4th time we've had this exact same debate on a leaderboard thread now ? I'm punching out of this....it's draining me just reading it lol

 

[kingking]

First off, you don't even know if it's allowed or not. I am against it because it was considered cheating on previous leaderboards, and FYI I know what a retro launch is, a lot of people get it confused with a timed launch. People can lie on this leaderboard too. Why wouldn't a BSL leaderboard work? I can spot a hack or a cheat from a mile away, within a minute I can spot a hack, the harder ones to spot are the ones running only 20 extra hp or something like this, all I have to do is watch their speed, I know what most cars can hit at the shadow on Indy

Heres a tip go and check Mustang ACR and Supra, and tell me if it wasnt allowed why are they up, by having them up means its ok. And the thing where youre confusing yourself is trying comparing gt5 to a real life scenario, and this is not an Indy leaderboard. Off all the people that post times here youre the only one thats having a sook on it lol

 

[c-losk]

Yes nick thats how i would define it too. It's what we've always done since leaderboard started and since we first got route x and speedtest. Defined as hitting the gas on black screen. But wait what is black screen. It makes car faster on full rev launch. FACT - times to faster ones.

Shells is saying retro shouldn't be allowed its a way to make car faster. But he misses the point i'm making that every leaderboard time ever posted has used a way to manipulate the car to maximise its potential to get a faster time. They are all either cheats or aids at the end of the day. And you don't even know this man. everyone manipulates the game to get a faster time without even knowing they are.

The whole game is unatural and the way we tune is unatural, the physics, the aerodynamics.. etc everthing. The way we get our times unatrual too. If it was all down to shells their wouldn't be a GT5 to play. Because to him nothing is natural lol. The game does not work life real life get over it. And if you still play the game aware that you are yourself are using illogical ways and methods to tune cars and get times.

I agree with this, then everything else should be banned and you just can't do it, so far nobody have used retro launch in here and get away with it so why bring it up, leader board is fine the way it is.

End of discussion, Danny can you please make it clear so that theese 10 pages of argument and nonsense over things that just keeps coming back stays behind us.

 

[Shells N Cheese]

This is getting really annoying, I agree with kingking this leaderboard is to maximize one cars potential, let it be retro, BS, timed or FT launches, what's the problem?

You can't match the top guys times? Neither can I, does it make me call foul everytime I can't do it? NO, I just play the game Who cares if I'm not as fast as the other guys, it's just a game.

Besides a top tune at the X is not gonna make you win every race at Indy we've been thru this already, if you don't like the game just don't play it.

That's not even close to the reason I don't like it, I have some top times and some times in the top 5, I can compete, I just don't see why we need to change it now, what is the point? After everyone maxes the cars out with a retro, they will go to 3B or E-Cheat and then that will be allowed, this is just BS, I don't feel like arguing anymore.

Yes nick thats how i would define it too. It's what we've always done since leaderboard started and since we first got route x and speedtest. Defined as hitting the gas on black screen. But wait what is black screen. It makes car faster on full rev launch. FACT - times to faster ones.

Shells is saying retro shouldn't be allowed its a way to make car faster. But he misses the point i'm making that every leaderboard time ever posted has used a way to manipulate the car to maximise its potential to get a faster time. They are all either cheats or aids at the end of the day. And you don't even know this man. everyone manipulates the game to get a faster time without even knowing they are.

The whole game is unatural and the way we tune is unatural, the physics, the aerodynamics.. etc everthing. The way we get our times unatrual too. If it was all down to shells their wouldn't be a GT5 to play. Because to him nothing is natural lol. The game does not work life real life get over it. And if you still play the game aware that you are yourself are using illogical ways and methods to tune cars and get times.

This game was meant to be realistic, the reason drag in GT5 isn't realistic is because the game isn't meant for it, it was meant for circuits and more recently drift, that's it. I enjoy drag, but I also enjoy realism or as close to it as we can get and with these weird launches this is far from real, that is exactly why I want to create a BSL leaderboard, why are you against that? Because people can cheat? Well they cheat here to and everyone spots it, or is it because nobody can "max" out their car the way they want to. Not trying to be an A****** but this is the only way I can make a point, sorry if I offend anybody, it's not intended.

 

[JDmsz]

End of discussion, Danny can you please make it clear so that theese 10 pages of argument and nonsense over things that just keeps coming back stays behind us.

No, can you just shutdown/close this leader board so nobody has to b**ch about people echeating, retro, and using hacked parts?

 

[Nickrows]

No, can you just shutdown/close this leader board so nobody has to b**ch about people echeating, retro, and using hacked parts?

You retired, go away lol. There's only 1 person complaining.

 

[Shells N Cheese]

You retired, go away lol. There's only 1 person complaining.

I'm not the only one against it, I can name 2 people of the top of my head right now, and there are a lot more, believe me.

 

[Nickrows]

I'm not the only one against it, I can name 2 people of the top of my head right now, and there are a lot more, believe me.

Then start your beloved BSL leaderboard that won't work. Want to know why it won't work? Some cars are only .002-.005 faster with a timed launch with almost identical 0-60's and 0-100s. How would you moderate it? Are you going to tune every single car to its max potential to make sure peoples times are legit? That's why it won't work.

 

[Shells N Cheese]

Then start your beloved BSL leaderboard that won't work. Want to know why it won't work? Some cars are only .002-.005 faster with a timed launch with almost identical 0-60's and 0-100s. How would you moderate it? Are you going to tune every single car to its max potential to make sure peoples times are legit? That's why it won't work.

At least I wont be cheating

 

[Swara]

I have a question for all of you. Do you retro launch every run on Indy? Yes or no.

 

[FastFurious77]

Can't compare this to Indy. That's already been covered.

Agree with nick but i will say this to Swara. Mostly we do black screen or timed launches i would think majority of pro tuners here.

And i do put my blood and sweat into every tune. After my intitial base tune, I meticulously fine tune every gear with a fine tooth comb.

 

[Nickrows]

At least I wont be cheating

Really? Need I bring up the hacked cars you use? And don't say you don't use them, because I'm pretty sure your Honda Element flew past my SL600. Who knows how many other cars you have like that.

I have a question for all of you. Do you retro launch every run on Indy? Yes or no.

Can't compare this to Indy. That's already been covered.


And thats my last post on the subject.

 

[kingking]

I highly doubt that anyone besides the 3 or 4 people wanting it at this time want to go back and re-tune every single car that they own for a retro launch, I'm just curious as to why anyone wants to do it.

Do you really think gettin top spot is easy? I bet those top time the least they spent on at least 20 minutes minimum, you spent time and effort to earn it, if you dont want to go and retune, you dont deserve to be on top 5, true story, In real life "no pain no gain approach" .

 

[Shells N Cheese]

Really? Need I bring up the hacked cars you use? And don't say you don't use them, because I'm pretty sure your Honda Element flew past my SL600. Who knows how many other cars you have like that.



Can't compare this to Indy. That's already been covered.


And thats my last post on the subject.

I know the difference between the two types of cars though, when I'm messing around or trolling I will use my hacked cars for fun, but when it comes time to drag for real, the hacked cars go away and I get my legit ones. Everyone hacks now bro, it's just about knowing when to use them and when not to. I'm not going to deny that I own a few hacked cars, but like I said I know when to use them and when not to.

I highly doubt that anyone besides the 3 or 4 people wanting it at this time want to go back and re-tune every single car that they own for a retro launch, I'm just curious as to why anyone wants to do it.

Do you really think gettin top spot is easy? I bet those top time the least they spent on at least 20 minutes minimum, you spent time and effort to earn it, if you dont want to go and retune, you dont deserve to be on top 5, true story, In real life "no pain no gain approach" .

I don't mind retuning, but when I have to completely change everything on my car just to get this retro launch that is ridiculous, I bet the entire tune has to altered to be able to retro, I usually go back and re-tune the transmission and get a better time, I mostly tune for BSL now anyway. First I get accused of E-Cheating, then I get accused of putting a different transmission in my M5 along with countless other E-Cheating assumptions, and now I'm being told I don't belong, this game is so far beyond dead it's not even funny. I'm out until GT6, I'm going back to circuits until then, have fun guys. Oops I double posted again, I got to get better at not doing that, sorry again moderators, I'm really trying here lol.

 

[ryzno]

I have a question for all of you. Do you retro launch every run on Indy? Yes or no.

Well lets start to brake something down here.

Retro Launch: launching with multiple short gears and quick shift to the next 2 gears and normally ride out 3rd a little.

Quick Shift: launching in a short gear and quick shifting into the next gear and normally ride it out a little.

I see little difference both are unrealistic forms of launching.

So with that said practically every car does a form of retro launch (my opinion).

I believe the only reason we tune our cars like this is there is no fear of damage to the car.

I miss when drag racing was simple!

 

[kingking]

I don't mind retuning, but when I have to completely change everything on my car just to get this retro launch that is ridiculous, I bet the entire tune has to altered to be able to retro, I usually go back and re-tune the transmission and get a better time, I mostly tune for BSL now anyway. First I get accused of E-Cheating, then I get accused of putting a different transmission in my M5 along with countless other E-Cheating assumptions, and now I'm being told I don't belong, this game is so far beyond dead it's not even funny. I'm out until GT6, I'm going back to circuits until then, have fun guys. Oops I double posted again, I got to get better at not doing that, sorry again moderators, I'm really trying here lol.

Remember top times mean more efforts, good you going out of gt5 so let others that are enjoying and spending more time and effort to tunes without making a big fuzz,

 

[Shells N Cheese]

Remember top times mean more efforts, good you going out of gt5 so let others that are enjoying and spending more time and effort to tunes without making a big fuzz,

I'm retiring from the drag community because there is WAY to much drama, once a time gets beat people call hacks or cheats if it isn't a fellow pro, just like in my situation when I posted my M5 time, turned out I was legit, I just can't deal with this drama anymore, maybe it will have subsided by the time GT6 comes out. By the way, GT6 = no drag strip only the return of Route X, have fun.

 

[FastFurious77]

Knowone knows if there will be a drag strip or not yet. How could you possibly know?

 

[Shells N Cheese]

Knowone knows if there will be a drag strip or not yet. How could you possibly know?

Kazunori basically said, in his own words, that drag is a joke and isn't real racing, I've seen a lot of the game and from what I see Route X is the only thing remotely close to a drag strip, the Nissan Deltawing was on it and I know that car isn't in GT5 so it is for a fact GT6, I have not seen any evidence of a real proper drag strip and I doubt one will ever been in the Gran Turismo series.

 

[Dan]

Who knew that driving in a straight line for a quarter mile could cause so much drama? Jeez.

I don't drag race anymore, but with such a volatile community, I doubt I ever will come back to it again.

 

[Shells N Cheese]

Who knew that driving in a straight line for a quarter mile could cause so much drama? Jeez.

I don't drag race anymore, but with such a volatile community, I doubt I ever will come back to it again.

^^ No truer words spoken EVER.

 

[Dan]

I find it if you find yourself arguing more than participating (racing), you don't enjoy the game. That's why I switched to drifting. If you aren't having fun, you should switch what you're doing so you are having fun.

 

[Shells N Cheese]

I find it if you find yourself arguing more than participating (racing), you don't enjoy the game. That's why I switched to drifting. If you aren't having fun, you should switch what you're doing so you are having fun.

That's why I'm going back to my circuit team, full of a bunch of cool guys, all of them are old friends of mine that I've know for years now. They are like my brothers, we have been through a lot together and I wouldn't change a thing, we've had our arguments, but at the end of the day we are always there for each other, couldn't ask for a better group of guys, they are like my family.

 

[Janco]

Simple answer to that, retro launching isn't real, may as well allow SRF, not saying that retro improves times as much as SRF (that I don't care about), my point is that it's not real, that's what bugs me about this.

Then how is a black screen launch, or a quickshift real?

This is a bunch of bs I tell you.

What is a retro launch?

Gt5 drag is dead now because of hacks.. **** this

You were the hacker here.

Hey buddy no offence to you or to anyone else is is against retro or not but what you just said effectivley terminates everybodys times here on the leaderboard. For this reason. Even Black screen launch times can't be done online. The launch u do online is more like the launch that you do after the blk screen which gives u an even slower time. I.e you rev the car after the 3-2... countdown starts. You'll see what i mean. But you guys obviously haven't even thought about what you said.

That is the time that is more truer. So do you see what you just said makes no sense. If blk screen launch is allowed so should retro. Retro isn't even a cheat in my eyes. Echeat very obviously is. But wtf man. Retro is gearing transmission setup and shifting thats all its not tapping your ebrak for a boost in G's and better times. Tapping ebrake is considered more a cheat for that very reason. But i can't see how Retro is a cheat. No go and find a corner to sulk in, because you know i'm right and i hope dream00, janco, redline and danny and everyone else will back me up on this comment.

Ryzno good point from you. I agree on that too. In the end all you can do is tune on route x. run it on route x speedtest. Then make an Indy tune online then run that on route x and run both tunes with and without blk screen launch. Then you'll see how slow the car really is. But no one knows how much both tunes are affected because of differences between offline and online physics? Anyone with a half baked half decent tune can beat you online.

Its all down to tree and reaction time online your indy or route x tune means nothing without your tree or reaction. So in the end it can be a utter waste of time tuning on x. But whether it works aswell online is not known and always debatable. I hope i put some light on this to arrest this despute.

Danny i think what you should do is make this a route x only leaderboard and as you see fit, permit or deny what is allowed by the rules and what is not. Or you can just make a leaderboard for indy. So people who indy tune online only. But then everyone would still need route x to time the car. And again if retro isn't allowed neither should blk screen be either. Everything i have said here is perfectly true you can all go and try these diff launches out yourself and you will find i am correct.

This.

My main point in this whole retro launching thing is this, is it real? Most likely in real life if you short shift at an insanely low RPM it would just bog out, retro launching is just an added advantage that some guy in GT5 made up, it's not real, and never will be, may as well allow SRF (like I stated before) SRF is more real than a retro launch, it's still more fake than real though but SRF is very similar to launch control in my eyes, lessens wheel spin.

It's as real as normal quick shifting.

In that case, do you have a black screen in front of you when you launch in real life?

This.

Nobody is thinking about what im saying here. Black screen is when you start full reving your car on the black screen, the game makes your car faster this way. So in a way it could be classed as a cheat same way echeat is holding handbrake to get faster launch? Or its a game cheat either way revving on black screen makes car faster full stop.

Yes no matter what ppl say everyone has always posted black screen times. Black screen times can't be done online. If you rev after the black screen i.e on the 3-2 countdown then your time will be slower than black screen and now you talking a time more similar to what you'll get online when full revving. Its not rocket science and is easy to understand that blk screen obviously helps u get faster times. Its what ppl have always done without thinking or realizing that it make you faster.

But it became adopted as the launch of choice for most ppl who are even still oblivious to it even now. So in my opinion. If blk screen is allowed which is mute because it always has, then retro is no different. Blk screen is not natural. So you either allow both types of launches or you allow none at all. The way i see it the game isn't naturla in the way it does a lot of things.

The way you tune a car is not natural or realistic mr shells but if you do it the way you tune a real car you'll find it doesn't work at all and you won't have a tune or time at all. This is why i say. The whole game isn't natural and way we tune isn't natural or true to real life mr shell, that been said just let the none natural blk screen and retro be allowed because they too aren't natural. Where are you gonna draw the line on this stupid whats it and what isn't natural so it should be allowed silly business you keep spouting.

Again, agreed with Wraith.

Lemme tell ya'll something, the real 100% totally legit launch is a rev timed launch. Look on NHRA drag races. (If that's what it's called) They rev to what Rpm they gonna launch in, after that they react to a green light and full throttle that monster. It's just like rev launching online with a ghost. So timed launching is real on route x.

Holding gas at certain revs is not a timed launch, try it on SSRX and you will see the times you get. they will be slower because you arent starring with full throttle. As oposed to a timed launch, where your throttle bar is max at the point of launch.

Don't want this to sound like I'm being a D*** but I can play this game too. In real life when you launch does a car pull up in front of you and ghost? I can compare stuff like that too. We can do this all day, but I really don't want too. I don't see what is so wrong with doing a simple full rev launch, or just not allowing retro launching, I don't want to have to go through my entire garage and re-tune all my cars just to keep up with a retro launch, I don't even know why anyone would.



Agreed, but someone is going to say that retro is the same as time, it's not. Quick shifting at like 2,000rpm is not going to work ever in real life, and again retro launching is a launch made up by a video game player, you guys even said it yourself that it was named after retroammi (not sure how to spell it but you catch my drift). Oops double posted again, sorry moderators.

You were the one to start comparing this game to real life, remember? Don't deny it now and make it sound otherwise.

First off, you don't even know if it's allowed or not. I am against it because it was considered cheating on previous leaderboards, and FYI I know what a retro launch is, a lot of people get it confused with a timed launch. People can lie on this leaderboard too. Why wouldn't a BSL leaderboard work? I can spot a hack or a cheat from a mile away, within a minute I can spot a hack, the harder ones to spot are the ones running only 20 extra hp or something like this, all I have to do is watch their speed, I know what most cars can hit at the shadow on Indy and the 400 mark on SSRX, so when I think someone is hacked, I'm usually right. It's the same with leaderboard times, just have to look at the 0-60, 0-100, and the pull. It's not any different than spotting a hack or cheat on this leaderboard.

Why would it not be allowed if it's not frowned upon? Tell us what is a retro launch and what it does? How is it different from a quickshift?

It wasn't considered cheating. It wasn't allowed because some people don't understand what it is, or how to do it.

... on Mazdaman's board. It was considered normal on MadMax's board.

I'll have to double post now because I couldn't quote more posts.

 

[habzal]

I've been reading the conversation you guys been having about what is cheating from what is not. all the launches you claim to be cheats down to the so called e cheat are not cheats. once everyone can do such things nobody has an advantage. I heard ryzno say some of his times on the srxx are .6o off some top times and he would beat guys on indy. I know for onething that some a lot of the times on this leaderboard are set by using some of those same launches along with the famous e cheat. in the real drag racing world most time the driver doesn't move off in full rev. when I drag I always move in full rev whether I win or lose, having fun is the key thing for me. when we use the cars that comes in the game and someone else use a car with extra parts that is what I call cheating. guys with parts always want to have pinks race most times. would love to hear you'll thoughts on this.