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[c-losk]

Kazunori basically said, in his own words, that drag is a joke and isn't real racing.

He never said that, this is what he answered to this question in an interview:


Many online rooms in GT5 are created by players who want to compete against each other in drag races. GT4, of course, featured a drag strip here in Las Vegas, but there is no specialized drag racing track in GT5. Will a formal drag racing mode ever appear in GT5 or return to the series in future games?

I think there is a good chance drag racing will be featured in future Gran Turismo versions, yes.

And I think I have said this before as well, but when I went to see the NHRA drag races, I really got to see how involved those races are, because within a few seconds you can win or lose the race.

So, for example, if you had a car break after three seconds, it’s not strong enough, but if you have one that lasted for ten seconds, it would be too slow to win the race, and I think that’s the gist of drag racing. So far I have found it difficult to incorporate that into the game.

You want to read the whole interview, check this out:

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turis...e-kazunori-yamauchis-2012-gtplanet-interview/

 

[Janco]

This is getting really annoying, I agree with kingking this leaderboard is to maximize one cars potential, let it be retro, BS, timed or FT launches, what's the problem?

You can't match the top guys times? Neither can I, does it make me call foul everytime I can't do it? NO, I just play the game Who cares if I'm not as fast as the other guys, it's just a game.

Besides a top tune at the X is not gonna make you win every race at Indy we've been thru this already, if you don't like the game just don't play it.

Evrething written here.

A for of a definition of cheating

A lot of people still don't know how to do it, I could do it if I felt like it but I don't because it was considered cheating.

I swear dude, only a handful of people want this, so you're saying that if I round up 5 people that want to allow E-Cheating or SRF that it will happen just because a few people want it? Why can't we just keep the leaderboard the way it is now, what is so hard about that, I don't understand, the cars are already maxed out, and once they get maxed out with a retro launch then what are you going to do, E-Cheat? Still nobody answered my question as to how a BSL leaderboard wouldn't work? People lie on this one all the time and get caught, so why can't they get caught if they lie on a BSL leaderboard?

So definition of cheating is: An action some can't do? When was it considered cheating? Only a handful of people don't want this. A BSL leaderboard won't work because of what Nick said in the comment.

Then start a BSL leaderboard. It'll be a lot harder to catch a lie on that.

That's not even close to the reason I don't like it, I have some top times and some times in the top 5, I can compete, I just don't see why we need to change it now, what is the point? After everyone maxes the cars out with a retro, they will go to 3B or E-Cheat and then that will be allowed, this is just BS, I don't feel like arguing anymore.



This game was meant to be realistic, the reason drag in GT5 isn't realistic is because the game isn't meant for it, it was meant for circuits and more recently drift, that's it. I enjoy drag, but I also enjoy realism or as close to it as we can get and with these weird launches this is far from real, that is exactly why I want to create a BSL leaderboard, why are you against that? Because people can cheat? Well they cheat here to and everyone spots it, or is it because nobody can "max" out their car the way they want to. Not trying to be an A****** but this is the only way I can make a point, sorry if I offend anybody, it's not intended.

Retro launch is a quick shift, so how can it be in the same category as echeat. And please, tell us how to 3B launch?

No, can you just shutdown/close this leader board so nobody has to b**ch about people echeating, retro, and using hacked parts?

You don't even post on it, why are you involved? Again, what is a retro launch?

I'm not the only one against it, I can name 2 people of the top of my head right now, and there are a lot more, believe me.

2 people against at least 6?

At least I wont be cheating

How is it cheating?

I have a question for all of you. Do you retro launch every run on Indy? Yes or no.

Do you time launch every run on Indy? Do you BSL every run on Indy?

We could retro every run on Indy, but it is slower simply because the throttle is not max all the time and therefore you don't use max power all the time

I know the difference between the two types of cars though, when I'm messing around or trolling I will use my hacked cars for fun, but when it comes time to drag for real, the hacked cars go away and I get my legit ones. Everyone hacks now bro, it's just about knowing when to use them and when not to. I'm not going to deny that I own a few hacked cars, but like I said I know when to use them and when not to.

I know a lot of people who don't hack. Everyone hacks? Hmm...

I don't mind retuning, but when I have to completely change everything on my car just to get this retro launch that is ridiculous, I bet the entire tune has to altered to be able to retro, I usually go back and re-tune the transmission and get a better time, I mostly tune for BSL now anyway. First I get accused of E-Cheating, then I get accused of putting a different transmission in my M5 along with countless other E-Cheating assumptions, and now I'm being told I don't belong, this game is so far beyond dead it's not even funny. I'm out until GT6, I'm going back to circuits until then, have fun guys. Oops I double posted again, I got to get better at not doing that, sorry again moderators, I'm really trying here lol.

You got acused of echeating because your G's were a lot too high, just what you would get if you had echeated. And your 0-60s didn't add up. Simple as that. Then you used your M5 as a scape-goat to prove that you arent cheating with the BBS rims.

Well lets start to brake something down here.

Retro Launch: launching with multiple short gears and quick shift to the next 2 gears and normally ride out 3rd a little.

Quick Shift: launching in a short gear and quick shifting into the next gear and normally ride it out a little.

I see little difference both are unrealistic forms of launching.

So with that said practically every car does a form of retro launch (my opinion).

I believe the only reason we tune our cars like this is there is no fear of damage to the car.

I miss when drag racing was simple!

This. Retro launch is a quick shift, so we should only do rideout tunes, even better, why not 1st gear starts because no one starts in 2nd in real life...

Remember top times mean more efforts, good you going out of gt5 so let others that are enjoying and spending more time and effort to tunes without making a big fuzz,

 

[SpikeyLEE]

Holy multi-quote lol

 

[R3Dl1N3]

Shells just drop it dude. Your basically the only one that considers retro launching a cheat... You don't like the rules on this leader board then post your times on someone else's board. I agree with wraith and janco and Kingking fully. Not cuz I know how to retro launch but cuz SSRX was put in GT5 for testing. We were the ones who made a board and said let's see how much we can push each car. And it's worked out flawlessly since I remember Karo posting times which I can say it's been over a year I believe.
And stop comparing this game to real life it aint real life dude. It's a game invented for us to do the things we can't do in real life.
Cuz of you were not changing any rules. If you knew what retro launching is you won't make it a big deal.
Basically like what Janco said, it's different quick shifting rather then what your use to but all it is, is quick shifting and timing. No need for this argument to continue. It's a thread for 1/4 times not men PMSing

 

[Shells N Cheese]

I've been reading the conversation you guys been having about what is cheating from what is not. all the launches you claim to be cheats down to the so called e cheat are not cheats. once everyone can do such things nobody has an advantage. I heard ryzno say some of his times on the srxx are .6o off some top times and he would beat guys on indy. I know for onething that some a lot of the times on this leaderboard are set by using some of those same launches along with the famous e cheat. in the real drag racing world most time the driver doesn't move off in full rev. when I drag I always move in full rev whether I win or lose, having fun is the key thing for me. when we use the cars that comes in the game and someone else use a car with extra parts that is what I call cheating. guys with parts always want to have pinks race most times. would love to hear you'll thoughts on this.

I'm sticking with what I believe, you guys can judge me and talk S*** behind my back all you want, I know what I know and you know what you know, do what you want, I'm retired, have a nice day.

He never said that, this is what he answered to this question in an interview:


Many online rooms in GT5 are created by players who want to compete against each other in drag races. GT4, of course, featured a drag strip here in Las Vegas, but there is no specialized drag racing track in GT5. Will a formal drag racing mode ever appear in GT5 or return to the series in future games?

I think there is a good chance drag racing will be featured in future Gran Turismo versions, yes.

And I think I have said this before as well, but when I went to see the NHRA drag races, I really got to see how involved those races are, because within a few seconds you can win or lose the race.

So, for example, if you had a car break after three seconds, it’s not strong enough, but if you have one that lasted for ten seconds, it would be too slow to win the race, and I think that’s the gist of drag racing. So far I have found it difficult to incorporate that into the game.

You want to read the whole interview, check this out:

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turis...e-kazunori-yamauchis-2012-gtplanet-interview/

Fair enough, maybe I should've done more research than I did, I'll give you that one. I did a lot of research but apparently not enough.

 

[Swara]

Do I time launch on Indy?

Yes, in many cases, I do.

Do I BSL on Indy?

Yes, because that is the closest interpretation to a normal full throttle launch on Indy.

But look at us now...we're just arguing over something that's just pointless

 

[Shells N Cheese]

Evrething written here.

So definition of cheating is: An action some can't do? When was it considered cheating? Only a handful of people don't want this. A BSL leaderboard won't work because of what Nick said in the comment.



Retro launch is a quick shift, so how can it be in the same category as echeat. And please, tell us how to 3B launch?

You don't even post on it, why are you involved? Again, what is a retro launch?

2 people against at least 6?

How is it cheating?

Do you time launch every run on Indy? Do you BSL every run on Indy?

We could retro every run on Indy, but it is slower simply because the throttle is not max all the time and therefore you don't use max power all the time

I know a lot of people who don't hack. Everyone hacks? Hmm...

You got acused of echeating because your G's were a lot too high, just what you would get if you had echeated. And your 0-60s didn't add up. Simple as that. Then you used your M5 as a scape-goat to prove that you arent cheating with the BBS rims.

This. Retro launch is a quick shift, so we should only do rideout tunes, even better, why not 1st gear starts because no one starts in 2nd in real life...

I don't know how to 3B launch, I heard KraigA refer to it in his video so I used it as an example, what is that anyway? As for the M5, I believe my G's were 1.26 correct, I've seen M5's with 1.26 and 1.27 so because my time was faster I was considered hacked. That makes no sense whatsoever. I'm done arguing about all of this BS, I'm wasting my time with your big egos, I've stated it before and nobody even looked at it, once the cars are maxed out as fast as they will go with the retro launch everyone will start asking for the E-Cheat to be legal (which I still have no clue how to do by the way) and once that is asked for it will become legal, so why waste my time, I'm retired, it's over, now leave me alone, I let this go an hour ago and you guys are still going on and on and on and bringing up the past about my cars even after I was proven legit, you just don't know how to let it go, It's over, I don't want to get in trouble with the moderators, so I am ending this now.

Shells just drop it dude. Your basically the only one that considers retro launching a cheat... You don't like the rules on this leader board then post your times on someone else's board. I agree with wraith and janco and Kingking fully. Not cuz I know how to retro launch but cuz SSRX was put in GT5 for testing. We were the ones who made a board and said let's see how much we can push each car. And it's worked out flawlessly since I remember Karo posting times which I can say it's been over a year I believe.
And stop comparing this game to real life it aint real life dude. It's a game invented for us to do the things we can't do in real life.
Cuz of you were not changing any rules. If you knew what retro launching is you won't make it a big deal.
Basically like what Janco said, it's different quick shifting rather then what your use to but all it is, is quick shifting and timing. No need for this argument to continue. It's a thread for 1/4 times not men PMSing

I tried to end this a long time ago but egos get in the way with these guys and then they get mad, suck it up and be a man. Like I've said before I can name many people that don't like the retro launch, two of them posted on this thread, and there are two more off of the top of my head that are on also on pro drag teams. Still think it should be allowed because I have pros that will back me on this one saying that it shouldn't be. I'm going to try my best to refrain from any further posting, but you guys make it really hard to do that.

 

[FastFurious77]

I explained above what a E-Cheat is. It's when you time the tapping of the ebrake on a timed launch run. This ups your G-Forces though massivly and speeds your 0-60 and 0-100 thus the result you already know!

 

[Janco]

I don't know how to 3B launch, I heard KraigA refer to it in his video so I used it as an example, what is that anyway? As for the M5, I believe my G's were 1.26 correct, I've seen M5's with 1.26 and 1.27 so because my time was faster I was considered hacked. That makes no sense whatsoever. I'm done arguing about all of this BS, I'm wasting my time with your big egos, I've stated it before and nobody even looked at it, once the cars are maxed out as fast as they will go with the retro launch everyone will start asking for the E-Cheat to be legal (which I still have no clue how to do by the way) and once that is asked for it will become legal, so why waste my time, I'm retired, it's over, now leave me alone, I let this go an hour ago and you guys are still going on and on and on and bringing up the past about my cars even after I was proven legit, you just don't know how to let it go, It's over, I don't want to get in trouble with the moderators, so I am ending this now.

Hmm, 1.35 G's on your 8.989 ACR and whatnot on the Enzo. Remember, that thread that was closed?

Big egos? Everyone else got big egos? Not you, getting all buthurt? I looked at the part and replied to you, how can you compare a retro launch to echeat? You don't even know what it is.

And swara, bro, you far from BSL online.

 

[FastFurious77]

A retro launch is when you positions 1st and 2nd gear as wide as possible to the farthest left. Then you wident 3rd as much as possible too so that you can Quick shift 1-2-3 without bogging instantaniously. Its not hard to do. It's the timing of everything that you have to get right. On some cars you have to hit a certain rpms more precisley for it to be most effective.

1.35G's 0.5G's higher meant the ebrake was tapped either before launch or just before the 3 gear QS and after the 3 gr QS. You see the g's increase and if done correctly boost your 0-60 ans 0-100 even faster. So much so that 0-60 and 0-100 don't add up and compare to the times that you can do on a blk screen, timed launch or retro launch.

 

[Shells N Cheese]

Shells just drop it dude. Your basically the only one that considers retro launching a cheat... You don't like the rules on this leader board then post your times on someone else's board. I agree with wraith and janco and Kingking fully. Not cuz I know how to retro launch but cuz SSRX was put in GT5 for testing. We were the ones who made a board and said let's see how much we can push each car. And it's worked out flawlessly since I remember Karo posting times which I can say it's been over a year I believe.
And stop comparing this game to real life it aint real life dude. It's a game invented for us to do the things we can't do in real life.
Cuz of you were not changing any rules. If you knew what retro launching is you won't make it a big deal.
Basically like what Janco said, it's different quick shifting rather then what your use to but all it is, is quick shifting and timing. No need for this argument to continue. It's a thread for 1/4 times not men PMSing

Hmm, 1.35 G's on your 8.989 ACR and whatnot on the Enzo. Remember, that thread that was closed?

Big egos? Everyone else got big egos? I looked at the part and replied to you, how can you compare a retro launch to echeat? You don't even know what it is.

I know what a retro launch is, I knew before you even said it, once again it's a series of quick shifts at low RPM's which will require an entirely different tune that wont work on Indy, I've talked to people about this before, even go online and run the 1/4 mile on Route X and it still wont work because of the ghost, that is the only reason that Karo was fast, and also why his tunes didn't work in the past, and let me make a note right now, I am not saying this, this is what I heard from people, I wont name names but I've heard a lot of S*** about Karo.

 

[Swara]

How the 🤬 did this blow up?

Sorry, Janco, haha I thought it was the closest interpretation to an indy launch. Sorry

 

[Janco]

I know what a retro launch is, I knew before you even said it, once again it's a series of quick shifts at low RPM's which will require an entirely different tune that wont work on Indy, I've talked to people about this before, even go online and run the 1/4 mile on Route X and it still wont work because of the ghost, that is the only reason that Karo was fast, and also why his tunes didn't work in the past, and let me make a note right now, I am not saying this, this is what I heard from people, I wont name names but I've heard a lot of S*** about Karo.

This is not a retro launch. You can retro launch every Indy tune you have (that is a 2nd rideout or a QS). Wraith explained it now... Ofc people can hate when they don't beat times. It's like hating on someone because you can't tree him...

Swara, I'm sure I already explained as to why you don't BLS on Indy in bumboys thread (idk what his name was) but I can PM you on the theme again...

 

[Shells N Cheese]

How the 🤬 did this blow up?

Sorry, Janco, haha I thought it was the closest interpretation to an indy launch. Sorry

It blew up because people got butthurt that's why.

This is not a retro launch. You can retro launch every Indy tune you have (that is a 2nd rideout or a QS). Wraith explained it now... Ofc people can hate when they don't beat times. It's like hating on someone because you can't tree him...

Swara, I'm sure I already explained as to why you don't BLS on Indy in bumboys thread (idk what his name was) but I can PM you on the theme again...

That's funny because he mentioned a 1, 2, 3 quick shift and then when I say it's done at low RPM's it's wrong, yeah I'd love to see a 1, 2, 3 quick shift at max RPM's, over revving like crazy is what will happen, I dropped it and yet you still message, now you need to drop it before this leaderboard gets locked, that is exactly what I'm trying to avoid despite everything that's happened.

 

[FastFurious77]

I explained above what a E-Cheat is. It's when you time the tapping of the ebrake on a timed launch run. This ups your G-Forces though massivly and speeds your 0-60 and 0-100 thus the result you already know!

A retro launch is when you positions 1st and 2nd gear as wide as possible to the farthest left. Then you wident 3rd as much as possible too so that you can Quick shift 1-2-3 without bogging instantaniously. Its not hard to do. It's the timing of everything that you have to get right. On some cars you have to hit a certain rpms more precisley for it to be most effective.

A E cheat is when the ebrake is tapped either just before the 3 gear QS and after the 3 gr QS. You see the g's increase and if done correctly boost your 0-60 ans 0-100 even faster. So much so that 0-60 and 0-100 don't add up and compare to the times that you can do on a blk screen, timed launch or retro launch.

Here you go Mr Shells. Retro is usually accelerate from low rpms. i wait for 3-2-1 countdown then as soon as it says Start or Go, i accelerate from cars lowest idle rpms. This is timing the launch from the word start or go, then QS 1-2-3 instantly, then ride 3rd out a little, then the rest of gear shifting at the point in the revs where the car makes the most max power band. Sometimes you have to shift a little higher than the max power band i notice sometimes. It's diff for every car.

 

[R3Dl1N3]

I know what a retro launch is, I knew before you even said it, once again it's a series of quick shifts at low RPM's which will require an entirely different tune that wont work on Indy, I've talked to people about this before, even go online and run the 1/4 mile on Route X and it still wont work because of the ghost, that is the only reason that Karo was fast, and also why his tunes didn't work in the past, and let me make a note right now, I am not saying this, this is what I heard from people, I wont name names but I've heard a lot of S*** about Karo.

Can you stop talking about Karo damn!

 

[kingking]

A retro lauch , is a series of information that i read from old thread, and yet I dont know how to do it... so i call it cheating cause i cant do it, reason being 1 it does not work in real life , 2 people like myself cannot replicate it, 3 it does not work on indy.

 

[JDmsz]

It blew up because people got butthurt that's why.

That's funny because he mentioned a 1, 2, 3 quick shift and then when I say it's done at low RPM's it's wrong, yeah I'd love to see a 1, 2, 3 quick shift at max RPM's, over revving like crazy is what will happen, I dropped it and yet you still message, now you need to drop it before this leaderboard gets locked, that is exactly what I'm trying to avoid despite everything that's happened.

Retro launching is so unrealistic and they know it is. But no they want to achieve the lowest time possible and 95% of the time it doesn't even work online. I'm glad you retired because they're just going to keep arguing about it on gt5 with you. But I'm on your side though.

 

[Swara]

I myself don't retro launch, nor have I ever retro launched because my times are pretty damn good without this retro launch stuff. That's just me, tho.

 

[ryzno]

I've been reading the conversation you guys been having about what is cheating from what is not. all the launches you claim to be cheats down to the so called e cheat are not cheats. once everyone can do such things nobody has an advantage. I heard ryzno say some of his times on the srxx are .6o off some top times and he would beat guys on indy. I know for onething that some a lot of the times on this leaderboard are set by using some of those same launches along with the famous e cheat. in the real drag racing world most time the driver doesn't move off in full rev. when I drag I always move in full rev whether I win or lose, having fun is the key thing for me. when we use the cars that comes in the game and someone else use a car with extra parts that is what I call cheating. guys with parts always want to have pinks race most times. would love to hear you'll thoughts on this.

I said .06 not .60, no one could win with times far that off. Sorry if you misunderstood me.

 

[R3Dl1N3]

I myself don't retro launch, nor have I ever retro launched because my times are pretty damn good without this retro launch stuff. That's just me, tho.

Do you know how to retro launch?

 

[habzal]

there was a guy who was bashed hard for the so called echeat most will the name gurdanc. I actually got to know him because we're from the same island. he gave a little rundown of people's issue with echeating. I use to check on the times that karo use to set on the ssrx. some of those times had me wondering what he was doing to be running so fast especially the supra time of 9.986 I think it was. when I met gurdanc he told me karo was one who used the echeat to run faster times. I still admire his talent at setting cars for drag. I would love if some of you guys would stop calling the launches cheats because their not. plus what's the problem with using srf?

 

[R3Dl1N3]

there was a guy who was bashed hard for the so called echeat most will the name gurdanc. I actually got to know him because we're from the same island. he gave a little rundown of people's issue with echeating. I use to check on the times that karo use to set on the ssrx. some of those times had me wondering what he was doing to be running so fast especially the supra time of 9.986 I think it was. when I met gurdanc he told me karo was one who used the echeat to run faster times. I still admire his talent at setting cars for drag. I would love if some of you guys would stop calling the launches cheats because their not. plus what's the problem with using srf?

Uhhhh no... I know that gurdac dude. He kept hating on Karo cuz this I remember clearly when they were runing there SVTR's and Gurdac kept echeating and launching quicker then Karo. Karo told him not to cheat so he didn't. 3 in a row all Gurdac saw was tail lights. And if I remember clearly Karo wasn't the only time with 9.896. He was tied with Maccer a well known tuner for what I've seen. So your basicly claiming his supra was an echeat to then.
It was retro launched bud. With the supra the 05 Stang SVTR ect those are easy to retro launch du to insane wheel spin. Other then that Karo has never posted a time that's cheated. That I can literally swear on.

 

[FastFurious77]

lol

 

[habzal]

don't get me wrong srf on or off don't matter to just wanted to know why no srf

 

[ryzno]

*snip* plus what's the problem with using srf?

It practically, takes the tuning out of having to deal with wheel spin, just like the launch methods mentioned before.

 

[FastFurious77]

8:907 is apparently the best a BE can do without srf. With srf it takes away all the wheelspin and you can get into the 8:98x's. But srf isn't allowed. Not on any leaderboard i've been apart of.

On this game it isn't possible to get rid of all wheelspin completely but you get rid of so much. Since 50:50 torque split puts all power from drivetrain equally to front and rear wheel evenly. 50:50 is slower on the game. 45:55 gives quickest times. So you have slightly less power going to rear wheels.

This is just the way the game works best and again demonstrates the games illiogicallity. So SRF is off because people want to get the car as fast as possible without any aid whatsoever. So when SRF is off it is a game of trying to tune the gears to alleviate wheelspin as much as possible

 

[Janco]

It blew up because people got butthurt that's why.



That's funny because he mentioned a 1, 2, 3 quick shift and then when I say it's done at low RPM's it's wrong, yeah I'd love to see a 1, 2, 3 quick shift at max RPM's, over revving like crazy is what will happen, I dropped it and yet you still message, now you need to drop it before this leaderboard gets locked, that is exactly what I'm trying to avoid despite everything that's happened.

You were the only one buthurt because you couldn't do it...

Again you can't QS into 3rd at low revs. You can't do it and don't know how to.

 

[habzal]

the retro launch explained by wraith brings something to mind. was racing gurdanc in a supra drag. he shift his gears from 1st to 3rd did not even glimpse 2nd been shifted. but still we had even runs. that was when he showed me the difference with the echeat run which he beat me by a car length plus.

 

[habzal]

the time done with the BE is full rev or a timed launch.