New Yellow Flags??

[Inzyman]

I was just given a 10 second penalty for passing a vehicle in the daily that had crashed a couple of seconds in front of me. So, do I stop and wait till he is going again before I can pass?? WTF. He crashed and left the track why should I get a penalty. As I generally start in the second half of the grid for most races, two thirds of my place improvements are a result of crashes in front of me. So how does this new flag system actually work???

 

[Seikenfreak]

Yea I complained about it in the other thread. I don't understand what they expect us to do. There would need to be like a full course yellow w/ pace car or something to balance this out, because it seems broken if they expect everyone behind the crash to just park and wait for that person to take 15 seconds to get back on track, meanwhile the lead(ers) are just cruising away. I thought the system was fine before. Yellow flags just let me know there was a potential hazard ahead and to be cautious. They should've added a Blue Flag in before this, but I don't see anything about it in the patch notes so I'm assuming these yellow flag rules already existed, just weren't enabled for FIA races?

I may be mistaken but, in real racing, isn't the driver usually accountable when they can actually see a flag station? How else would they know besides radio from the pit, which obviously isn't instantaneous either. In the video I come around the corner and the flag station is green.

And returning the position to the person system would've made sense if the person wasn't themselves involved in the accident.

 

[KingFrog]

Wait so theoretically speaking, if i KNEW i was going to get passed on the last few turns and i was in first, it would be in my best interest to wreck and give everyone behind me 10 second penalties. I think the original idea is that you shouldn't pass other competitors who haven't crashed under these circumstances, not the guy who wrecked.

 

[ghostrider135]

Yea I complained about it in the other thread. I don't understand what they expect us to do. There would need to be like a full course yellow w/ pace car or something to balance this out, because it seems broken if they expect everyone behind the crash to just park and wait for that person to take 15 seconds to get back on track, meanwhile the lead(ers) are just cruising away. I thought the system was fine before. Yellow flags just let me know there was a potential hazard ahead and to be cautious. They should've added a Blue Flag in before this, but I don't see anything about it in the patch notes so I'm assuming these yellow flag rules already existed, just weren't enabled for FIA races?

I may be mistaken but, in real racing, isn't the driver usually accountable when they can actually see a flag station? How else would they know besides radio from the pit, which obviously isn't instantaneous either. In the video I come around the corner and the flag station is green.

And returning the position to the person system would've made sense if the person wasn't themselves involved in the accident.

Slow your video down to 0.25 the moment you moved up into 4th yellow flag was on the screen, Close but no cigar I'm afraid you should have seen it coming and backed out abit sooner sorry to say.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Yea I complained about it in the other thread. I don't understand what they expect us to do. There would need to be like a full course yellow w/ pace car or something to balance this out, because it seems broken if they expect everyone behind the crash to just park and wait for that person to take 15 seconds to get back on track, meanwhile the lead(ers) are just cruising away. I thought the system was fine before. Yellow flags just let me know there was a potential hazard ahead and to be cautious. They should've added a Blue Flag in before this, but I don't see anything about it in the patch notes so I'm assuming these yellow flag rules already existed, just weren't enabled for FIA races?

I may be mistaken but, in real racing, isn't the driver usually accountable when they can actually see a flag station? How else would they know besides radio from the pit, which obviously isn't instantaneous either. In the video I come around the corner and the flag station is green.

And returning the position to the person system would've made sense if the person wasn't themselves involved in the accident.

You overtook the non spinning car under yellow.

Easily visible here.

 

[ASH32]

You don't get a penalty for passing the car that's gone off. Correctly it only applies to passing other cars, ok it's probably possible that on one freak occasion you'll get one for nothing, since that can happen with all the other penalties in this game (I got a corner cut penalty whilst still on the straight, before the braking zone, when a car a couple of places in front cut a chicane) but it's not like that will happen most times.

 

[Patclash]

I got the same last night :
On Nurburgring GP in the last lap I was in 3 position;
the two cars in front of me battle for the first place and they crash in the chicane before the final line;
I got the yellow flag as I was in the chicane passing the 2 cars
what can I do , the 2 cars where out of track ; I got a 10 sec penalty and drop from first place to 5

 

[ceres2000]

Weird that happened to you. Last evening, final lap I was in fifth, just behind 4th when 3rd crashed. Yellow flag and we both cruised past the crash with no penalties. If I had to overtake the guy in front of me I'm assuming that would lead to a penalty.

 

[Adam Duffield]

Also had this a few times yesterday but only when passing a car that had gone off and never recieved a penalty for it, perhaps the system is a bit hit and miss at the minute!

 

[Da_dietn]

If a racer crasht yellow flag wil come on your screen, you can safely pass the one who crasht but not overtake another racer thats it.

 

[racer_xis]

I've got a penalty for overtaking a car that was almost stopped, ghosty and out of the track during a yellow flag

 

[nomoredramas]

Yup, the penalty is because of overtaking the car in front of you, not the one that crashed. You were bad luck to do it just when yellow flags were in.

 

[KingFrog]

Yeah i think PD implemented it how i described it earlier, it penalizes you for overtaking another competitor, not the guy who crashed

 

[Inzyman]

Yea I complained about it in the other thread. I don't understand what they expect us to do. There would need to be like a full course yellow w/ pace car or something to balance this out, because it seems broken if they expect everyone behind the crash to just park and wait for that person to take 15 seconds to get back on track, meanwhile the lead(ers) are just cruising away. I thought the system was fine before. Yellow flags just let me know there was a potential hazard ahead and to be cautious. They should've added a Blue Flag in before this, but I don't see anything about it in the patch notes so I'm assuming these yellow flag rules already existed, just weren't enabled for FIA races?

I may be mistaken but, in real racing, isn't the driver usually accountable when they can actually see a flag station? How else would they know besides radio from the pit, which obviously isn't instantaneous either. In the video I come around the corner and the flag station is green.

And returning the position to the person system would've made sense if the person wasn't themselves involved in the accident.

Harsh. The penalty you incurred would have cost you more time than the it took that driver to recover from his own accident!

You don't get a penalty for passing the car that's gone off. Correctly it only applies to passing other cars, ok it's probably possible that on one freak occasion you'll get one for nothing, since that can happen with all the other penalties in this game (I got a corner cut penalty whilst still on the straight, before the braking zone, when a car a couple of places in front cut a chicane) but it's not like that will happen most times.

I hope not!!

 

[GTWelsh]

Harsh but legit. Since we don't have humans sitting there judging all this it's safe to assume it will be a little harsh in its implementation (cars doing 5mph that didn't crash getting overtaken in a yellow will give you a penalty). They may improve this in time, but currently it's better than no yellow flag rule at all. I love it Blue flags next!!!!!! Please !

 

[Inzyman]

You overtook the non spinning car under yellow.

Easily visible here.

You overtook the non spinning car under yellow.

Easily visible here.

You overtook the non spinning car under yellow.

Easily visible here.

Well that's handed all the Aliens up the front a massive gift.......

 

[CConspicuous]

Yea I complained about it in the other thread. I don't understand what they expect us to do. There would need to be like a full course yellow w/ pace car or something to balance this out, because it seems broken if they expect everyone behind the crash to just park and wait for that person to take 15 seconds to get back on track, meanwhile the lead(ers) are just cruising away. I thought the system was fine before. Yellow flags just let me know there was a potential hazard ahead and to be cautious. They should've added a Blue Flag in before this, but I don't see anything about it in the patch notes so I'm assuming these yellow flag rules already existed, just weren't enabled for FIA races?

I may be mistaken but, in real racing, isn't the driver usually accountable when they can actually see a flag station? How else would they know besides radio from the pit, which obviously isn't instantaneous either. In the video I come around the corner and the flag station is green.

And returning the position to the person system would've made sense if the person wasn't themselves involved in the accident.

I think you got penalised for passing the Viper, I can't see anything wrong with it, it's the same scenario as real life, however, I think it should suspend the penalty till you let the other car back past within the next 30 seconds (races are too short for the 3-lap rule).

 

[RotorHed]

Well that's handed all the Aliens up the front a massive gift.......

Those aliens are/were gone anyway. That’s why they’re aliens and not everyone else.

So driver A crashes, driver B is cool headed enough to see and respond to the accident by slowing down and changing line, you think driver C should profit by passing driver B at full race pace?

 

[Inzyman]

Those aliens are/were gone anyway. That’s why they’re aliens and not everyone else.

So driver A crashes, driver B is cool headed enough to see and respond to the accident by slowing down and changing line, you think driver C should profit by passing driver B at full race pace?

My personal incident I was last and passed only the guy who left the track and I think you should have the option to give up the place not just get smacked with 5 or 10 seconds. You might not even have visibility of an accident and swerve to miss the vehicle who has seen it as he hits his brakes, bang thanks for coming here is your penalty...........

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Well that's handed all the Aliens up the front a massive gift.......

I feel your pain, however local waved yellows are part and parcel of Motorsport at all levels. The key word being ‘local’.

 

[Inzyman]

Back to the practie

I feel your pain, however local waved yellows are part and parcel of Motorsport at all levels. The key word being ‘local’.

Back to the practice track..............

 

[JayneS]

Just repeating here, but you don't get penalised for passing the car that just trashed. You do get penalties for passing other cars.

Had an interesting "lobby race" last night on the Nurburgring. Was in a VW GTI VGT car and others were is crazy fast cars just playing the ramming game. Only thing is I was fast enough to keep up and return favours, and they were not able to control the fast cars very well. On the last long stretch they did the usual ramming, spun off, and I just sailed past the 5 car pile-up to take the win. Idiots.

 

[CConspicuous]

Also, I think it should DQ drivers for making excessive contact, I've noticed that there are people on Sport Mode who are racing with the intentions of deliberately damaging the Sportsmanship Rating of all of those around them and will even make this clear in pre-race chat as well as warm-up via ramming people before the race has even begun.

Generally, the ones who do this or cheat will make contact with another car more than 5-10 times.

You slap them with DQs and gradually filter all of those with high ratios of getting DQ'd into the same races (just think GTA V's dunce-hat lobbies), then eventually they'll get isolated from those who want to race fairly.

They should also bring back GT6's ghosting system which would ghost cars that were closing with another car or sharply moving towards it. GT Sports ghosting system doesn't appear to be as good as GT6's as it's possible for people to missile into the pack at T1 without being ghosted.

 

[Tekku]

It's rather stupid that the rule comes into effect immediately when the crash occurs. There should be like a 5 sec warning before it starts to apply. If you are in the process of overtaking it can be more dangerous to back out just to avoid a penalty.

Computers that tries to regulate human beings - has it ever worked flawlessly?

 

[CConspicuous]

It's rather stupid that the rule comes into effect immediately when the crash occurs. There should be like a 5 sec warning before it starts to apply. If you are in the process of overtaking it can be more dangerous to back out just to avoid a penalty.

Computers that tries to regulate human beings - has it ever worked flawlessly?

In FIA WEC the yellows are more or less instant, so it's kind of spot on.

 

[daan]

It's rather stupid that the rule comes into effect immediately when the crash occurs. There should be like a 5 sec warning before it starts to apply. If you are in the process of overtaking it can be more dangerous to back out just to avoid a penalty.

That guy is going to crash in about 5 seconds. Better get the yellow flags ready.

Seeing a car ahead of you crashing should be all the warning you need.

 

[IngRobNy]

Yea I complained about it in the other thread. I don't understand what they expect us to do. There would need to be like a full course yellow w/ pace car or something to balance this out, because it seems broken if they expect everyone behind the crash to just park and wait for that person to take 15 seconds to get back on track, meanwhile the lead(ers) are just cruising away. I thought the system was fine before. Yellow flags just let me know there was a potential hazard ahead and to be cautious. They should've added a Blue Flag in before this, but I don't see anything about it in the patch notes so I'm assuming these yellow flag rules already existed, just weren't enabled for FIA races?

I may be mistaken but, in real racing, isn't the driver usually accountable when they can actually see a flag station? How else would they know besides radio from the pit, which obviously isn't instantaneous either. In the video I come around the corner and the flag station is green.

And returning the position to the person system would've made sense if the person wasn't themselves involved in the accident.

Are you sure the penalty wasn't for passing this car? You passed this car when the yellow flag message popped up:

 

[TheGeologist]

In FIA WEC the yellows are more or less instant, so it's kind of spot on.

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[GT6mebe]

I got the same last night :
On Nurburgring GP in the last lap I was in 3 position;
the two cars in front of me battle for the first place and they crash in the chicane before the final line;
I got the yellow flag as I was in the chicane passing the 2 cars
what can I do , the 2 cars where out of track ; I got a 10 sec penalty and drop from first place to 5

Weird that happened to you. Last evening, final lap I was in fifth, just behind 4th when 3rd crashed. Yellow flag and we both cruised past the crash with no penalties. If I had to overtake the guy in front of me I'm assuming that would lead to a penalty.

I think the difference here is is the car on track or not. Like are you sure the one of the cars wasn't on track going forward as you passed. Every time I pass a spun out car, I never get a penalty.

 

[Famine]

Yea I complained about it in the other thread. I don't understand what they expect us to do. There would need to be like a full course yellow w/ pace car or something to balance this out, because it seems broken if they expect everyone behind the crash to just park and wait for that person to take 15 seconds to get back on track, meanwhile the lead(ers) are just cruising away. I thought the system was fine before. Yellow flags just let me know there was a potential hazard ahead and to be cautious. They should've added a Blue Flag in before this, but I don't see anything about it in the patch notes so I'm assuming these yellow flag rules already existed, just weren't enabled for FIA races?

I may be mistaken but, in real racing, isn't the driver usually accountable when they can actually see a flag station? How else would they know besides radio from the pit, which obviously isn't instantaneous either. In the video I come around the corner and the flag station is green.

And returning the position to the person system would've made sense if the person wasn't themselves involved in the accident.

This should clarify why you got a penalty.

Enter corner in 6th, no yellow flag, car in 4th is crashing:

Car in 4th has crashed, yellow flags:

Still yellow flags:

Exit corner in 5th, ahead of crashed car. No Passing warning displayed:

Still in yellow flag zone, No Passing warning still displayed, overtakes car in 4th for position:

Retains 4th position:

Remaining in 4th, driver exits the sector for a penalty:

It seems pretty clear cut that you got a penalty for overtaking the Viper you were racing with and not for overtaking the car that crashed...