New Zealand Mosque Shooting

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TenEightyOne
They also had Playstations and XBoxes, or at least it's likely they did. If they played violent games then why not remove those from the marketplace?

In that case we should shut pubs, busses, streets, and houses. And ban people from talking. After all, they might be prejudiced dickheads.
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Those chans are harmful because some guys want to share their own thoughts and in the other side there are some guys that don't care about what could happen in future. It isn't a censorship, it's a control that already happens in social networks like Facebook. Or don't you think that some governments take a look at this data?

We can't tolerate ideas that goes totally out of common sense, come on, we can't think that it's normal a shooting against muslims in New Zealand or against christians in Egypt... (not referring to you guys, I'm tired of people relieving shootings, I've read some things yesterday that made me a bit scared)

Like @CinnamonOD said the media can show some situations but mostly part they don't fuel you about ****ing up with people that have just a different religion or citizenship. The games don't fuel you (or at least shouldn't do it on you)

Also these Brazilian guys have an account in a different chan, this one is located in Deep Web. I don't remember the name right now but for sure it isn't 8chan or something like that.

I mean, I don't entirely agree with the way that some TV stations or newspapers deal with specific situations but we can't ever think on shootings or terrorist attacks and imagine that is completely normal.
 
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McLaren
Had no idea Antifa is now far-right by that definition.


But it's still enough for you to skew what it actually said?


He said he was only in New Zealand temporarily, but saw it was, sickeningly, "as target rich of an environment as anywhere else in the West", and "nowhere was safe".

It's a weird manifesto. He memes it even a bit.

But, it's mostly rambling and repeated concern over birth rates as a way of invasion.
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Antifa are far left, they are neither fascist (the clue to that one is in the name) or far right.

If you don't get that the right wing has factions within it that don't agree and can be hostile to each other then I'm quite frankly quite surprised.

Conservatives are right wing, fascists are a lot more right wing it's really not that tricky.
 
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Scaff
Antifa are far left, they are neither fascist (the clue to that one is in the name) or far right.
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The clue is that someone as smart as you doesn't see the irony in their name, and therefore, means nothing.

"I’m opposed to fascism, so I’m going to go beat up someone for using their First Amendment right to free speech.”
 
McLaren
The clue is that someone as smart as you doesn't see the irony in their name, and therefore, means nothing.

"I’m opposed to fascism, so I’m going to go beat up someone for using their First Amendment right to free speech.”
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So right and left only her defined in terms of the aortic they have to the US constitution?

Sorry but that's rather wise of the mark, and this is a long way from the point you questioned, that the shooter could be right wing when he disliked Conservatives.

The only odd thing here is that you seem to be under the impression that's not possible.
 
Am I reading it right that they actually arrested the guy that did this? That seems rather rare for a situation like this since doesn't it typically end in the shooter being shot by police or committing suicide?
 
Eunos_Cosmo
That sounds a lot like do nothing. Am I right?
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No. And usually in these circumstances I have a laundry list of suggestions. But I'm not an expert on New Zealand. My entire knowledge of that region comes from Flight of the Conchords and Peter Jackson.
 
Joey D
Am I reading it right that they actually arrested the guy that did this? That seems rather rare for a situation like this since doesn't it typically end in the shooter being shot by police or committing suicide?
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I've read an eye witness account that a man in one of the mosques wrestled with the shooter until he dropped the gun and then fled.
 
Scaff
So right and left only her defined in terms of the aortic they have to the US constitution?

Sorry but that's rather wise of the mark, and this is a long way from the point you questioned, that the shooter could be right wing when he disliked Conservatives.

The only odd thing here is that you seem to be under the impression that's not possible.
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I'm saying he was only labeled right wing by Novalee because he only saw 2 words; white & Trump. He left out as he often does, that the shooter did not look up to Trump and much of the shooter's views on subjects right wing folks (in the US anyway) don't agree with such as anti-capitalism. He even criticizes the French Front National, another right wing/nationalist group. If this guy was right wing, it was way, way outside the spectrum.

But none of this is a surprise. Novalee is the same member who was just chastised for purposely misspelling Trump's family name, posting rhetorical questions about Trump & acting like they were serious, and grouped an entire state as the kind of place Trump would feel at home in, insinuating racism.

The reality is much like other terrorist attacks that claim to represent others, he doesn't actually represent anyone. He claims to represent millions of Europeans, I don't believe millions of Europeans are ethno-nationalist.
HenrySwanson
It's horrible that people are getting red arrows for posting condolences on daily mail articles.

Mad world
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Being upset about people saying, "hopes and prayers" has become pretty common; there's some ground to it. But, it does feel slightly... out of place when the locations attacked are those who more than likely do pray after these events to their faith.
 
Danoff
No. And usually in these circumstances I have a laundry list of suggestions. But I'm not an expert on New Zealand. My entire knowledge of that region comes from Flight of the Conchords and Peter Jackson.
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Fair enough. I'm just curious what the suggestions might be.
 
PzR Slim
I've read an eye witness account that a man in one of the mosques wrestled with the shooter until he dropped the gun and then fled.
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That didn't happen. The only one who had some sort of brave moment pretty much ran into the barrel of the shooter's weapon and just dropped on the spot, and was promptly executed at point blank range. Just like the rest of his victims.

Also, speaking of censorship.

Bestgore is being choked by Google. Chrome(ium) won't play the video, but in Firefox it fires right up.
 
Joey D
Am I reading it right that they actually arrested the guy that did this? That seems rather rare for a situation like this since doesn't it typically end in the shooter being shot by police or committing suicide?
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He likely surrendered the moment he saw them. He speaks highly of New Zealand's police in his manifest. He didn't want to harm them, and noted he would shoot only if needed at non-vital areas.

I am more curious if New Zealand has a death penalty, although this guy's view is very strange on post-capture. He intends to plead not guilty if by trial, will either be freed in 30 years (citing Nelson Mandela) or commit suicide if he "failed".
 
Dennisch
That didn't happen. The only one who had some sort of brave moment pretty much ran into the barrel of the shooter's weapon and just dropped on the spot, and was promptly executed at point blank range. Just like the rest of his victims.

Also, speaking of censorship.

Bestgore is being choked by Google. Chrome(ium) won't play the video, but in Firefox it fires right up.
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Only reporting what I have read. This was linked on BBC News website https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/man...all-indian-origin-survivor-tells-ndtv-2008224
 
PzR Slim
Only reporting what I have read. This was linked on BBC News website https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/man...all-indian-origin-survivor-tells-ndtv-2008224
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I watched the video, he just walks into a parking lot of a mosque, guns down the first guy who greets him at the entrance, walks up and down to gun down the others, one guy has his moment, he walks outside and back in a couple of times to shoot those who still make a sound, and his final victim there is a girl or young lady who gets shot from small distance and gets executed, again from point blank range. And he gets in his car, Fire by Arthur Brown is playing, he drives off and shoots randomly out of his car.

For those who can stomach it, it's on Bestgore. It is a bit unreal to watch with the helmet cam view. Almost as a videogame.
 
Dennisch
I watched the video, he just walks into a parking lot of a mosque, guns down the first guy who greets him at the entrance, walks up and down to gun down the others, one guy has his moment, he walks outside and back in a couple of times to shoot those who still make a sound, and his final victim there is a girl or young lady who gets shot from small distance and gets executed, again from point blank range. And he gets in his car, Fire by Arthur Brown is playing, he drives off and shoots randomly out of his car.

For those who can stomach it, it's on Bestgore. It is a bit unreal to watch with the helmet cam view. Almost as a videogame.
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I’ve seen the video too. Like I said just posting what I’d seen reported.
 
McLaren
But none of this is a surprise. Novalee is the same member who was just chastised for purposely misspelling Trump's family name, posting rhetorical questions about Trump & acting like they were serious, and grouped an entire state as the kind of place Trump would feel at home in, insinuating racism.
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Give it a rest . You want to defend this guy go right ahead. The priminister of New Zealand called it what it was ,rightwing extremism .I stand against it,do you ?

Trump says he doesn’t see rise in white nationalism after New Zealand mosque attacks


https://globalnews.ca/news/5061303/donald-trump-white-nationalism-new-zealand-shootings/


A person would have to be blind to think Trump and his rhetoric does not inspire these type of white nationalists. Some people just cant accept reality as it is and continue to insert head in the sand so to speak .
 
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McLaren
Let's not get to the root of the issue and why this guy did this, let's just use the attack as the time to figure out all men.
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That one is about as special as the Senator for Queensland.

PzR Slim
I’ve seen the video too. Like I said just posting what I’d seen reported.
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Could it be that that happened at the other mosque? Must be.

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It was, it says so in your link.
 
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Thats not her exact quote

The “extremist views” that she said motivated the attack “have absolutely no place in New Zealand,” Ardern said, “and, in fact, have no place in the world.”

Those extremist views she talked about is ones of the rightwing variety.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...gs-reported-mosques-christchurch-new-zealand/


I have been watching this since it started and in one her statements on Tv she mentioned what ideology was behimd this , and it wasnt bin ladens son.
 
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Novalee
Thats not her exact quote

The “extremist views” that she said motivated the attack “have absolutely no place in New Zealand,” Ardern said, “and, in fact, have no place in the world.”

Those extremist views she talked about is ones of the rightwing variety.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...gs-reported-mosques-christchurch-new-zealand/
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It's lifted directly from her full statement. And you claim my head is in the sand....
It is clear that this can only be described as a terrorist attack.

From what we know, it does appear to have been well planned. Two explosive devices attached to suspects' vehicles have now been found and they have been disarmed.

There are currently four individuals who have been apprehended but three are connected to this attack who are currently in custody, one of which has publicly stated that they were Australian born.

These are people who I would describe as having extremist views that have absolutely no place in New Zealand and, in fact, have no place in the world.

While we do not have any reason to believe at this stage that there are any other suspects, we are not assuming that, at this stage. The joint intelligence group has been deployed and police are putting all of their resources into this situation.
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Meanwhile, you post a link behind a paywall.
 
VitorSouza
Those chans are harmful because some guys want to share their own thoughts and in the other side there are some guys that don't care about what could happen in future. It isn't a censorship, it's a control that already happens in social networks like Facebook.
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It's censorship and that's fine on the part of the site owners. I'd even say it's the responsible thing to do. What @Eunos_Cosmo said was "Is it time to start aggressively taking down these sites?". By definition that isn't talking about internal first-party action, that's talking about external action against the sites. We shouldn't set a precedent for wholesale censorship we should deal with crimes as they're committed unless, that is, we're going to become thought police as well as blanket censors.

VitorSouza
We can't tolerate ideas that goes totally out of common sense
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I disagree. I think we wouldn't get very far with a prescribed envelope of social thinking. Freedom of thought is essential, freedom of speech is essential. Freedom of consequence from criminal action is not.

Danoff
Flight of the Conchords
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"No! That per diem was for the week!"
 
Yes what do you think extremist views means ? Do you think the PM was talking about islamic extremists ? The Ira ? Mexicans ?

If you watched all the Primeminister of New Zealands statements it is crystal clear who she was getting at . I do not subscribe to any online new site .i just randomly picked one i was able to see .
 
Condolences to the victims and families.
I'm just curious though, aren't guns illegal down there?
 
Novalee
Yes what do you think extremist views means ? Do you think the PM was talking about islamic extremists ? The Ira ? Mexicans ?

If you watched all the Primeminister of New Zealands statements it is crystal clear who she was getting at . I do not subscribe to any online new site .i just randomly picked one i was able to see .
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He was an extremist in his "effort" to "save white people". That doesn't make him right wing. The issue is however your lies:

You claim she said something, I showed you never she used the terminology "right-wing", you rebuke that wasn't her exact quote, i showed you it was, and now you retreat to making the statement for her.

You are the most deceitful poster in this section. The sheer spat in the face of irony that Trump influences these people while he clearly influences you to be just as disgusting & dishonest as he is, too.
 
McLaren
Being upset about people saying, "hopes and prayers" has become pretty common; there's some ground to it. But, it does feel slightly... out of place when the locations attacked are those who more than likely do pray after these events to their faith.
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No it's not even a response to that phrase - there's considerably more red arrows in these articles than those saying the same condolences to victims of Islamic terrorism.

Just look at the Liege terrorist attack article for a comparison.

Disgusting
 
MatskiMonk
Is this something that you have a problem with?
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Well, yeah. If I am looking for something that should be readily available for the masses, I should be able to find it. I don't like it when someone other than me decides what's good for me and what not. As long as it legal of course.

Edit.

Actually, it bothered me so much that I removed Google Chromium and am now using Firefox again. And I'm giving DuckDuckgo a try, instead of Google.
 

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