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New Zealand Mosque Shooting
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Of course, if there is a law in place, like for abusing children, a search engine should block it. But if it is something people don't like to see, or they think it will put a perp on a pedestal, without breaking the law, it becomes iffy in my mind. And yes, Google is a private company, they can do what ever they want, but they're the portal to the Internet for a very high percentage of the world, and if they dictate what people get to see when they search something, things get murky pretty fast.
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This terrorist clown is an absolute joke. Says he doesn’t have a problem with people if they stay in their own land. Meanwhile his background is Scottish, they migrated to Australia. And he himself is in New Zealand now.
His personal life doesn’t even stand up to a basic scrutiny of his own ideology.
His personal life doesn’t even stand up to a basic scrutiny of his own ideology.
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Suspected New Zealand attacker ‘met extreme right-wing groups’ during Europe visit, according to security sources
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...far-right-europe-gunam-shooting-a8825611.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...far-right-europe-gunam-shooting-a8825611.html
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I could post the video here but can't because I'll be breaking the AUP.
A senator elected by 19 people. God damn.
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I could understand the first punch being instinctive (although it's arguable that he had time to consider it), British MP John Prescott did much the same against a double-denim mullet-topped attacker. After the first punch he definitely has time to realise he's hitting a kid. Says a lot about him.
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The bully mentality on him and his bogan bodyguards alike was showing.
Also, like any good bully, this is how he reacts when confronted by an adult without said entourage present. Profanity involved.
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If the NZ government (who I assume is holding him) is anything at all like the American government, execution costs more than a life without parole plea bargain. The death penalty is most effectively used as a way to obtain a plea bargain, saving millions in costs for high profile cases like this one.
This was recently used to great effect in CO in the case of Chris Watts. It was also recently botched in CO in the case of James Holmes.
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We don't have the death penalty, and we aren't going to suddenly reinstate it because of this attack.
We have terrorism laws that in theory should be applicable in this case but they are almost never used - because we normally wouldn't have a need to use them - so this case is going to be an interesting one for the courts. He is currently on a holding charge of one count of murder while this all gets worked out, at a minimum I'd expect 50 life sentences (another victim was found in the first mosque); I hope these sentences are all explicitly non-parole because this guy should never, ever be released but life sentences here tend to "just" be 20-30 years non-parole. The courts have never been put in this situation before so they're going to have to work it out as they go, I think.
If you want to donate to the support fund for the victims: https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/christchurch-shooting-victims-fund Currently over NZ$3.3m, after only a day and a bit.
We have terrorism laws that in theory should be applicable in this case but they are almost never used - because we normally wouldn't have a need to use them - so this case is going to be an interesting one for the courts. He is currently on a holding charge of one count of murder while this all gets worked out, at a minimum I'd expect 50 life sentences (another victim was found in the first mosque); I hope these sentences are all explicitly non-parole because this guy should never, ever be released but life sentences here tend to "just" be 20-30 years non-parole. The courts have never been put in this situation before so they're going to have to work it out as they go, I think.
If you want to donate to the support fund for the victims: https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/christchurch-shooting-victims-fund Currently over NZ$3.3m, after only a day and a bit.
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As an Australian of Turkish descent im also disgusted by how President Erdogan is using the tragedy for his political agenda.
Its no suprise too that elections are coming up what this terrorist scumbag done along with targeting him in the manfiesto will manifest in more support for Erdogan in Turkey especially when it comes to nationalist and religious issues.
Its no suprise too that elections are coming up what this terrorist scumbag done along with targeting him in the manfiesto will manifest in more support for Erdogan in Turkey especially when it comes to nationalist and religious issues.
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Here is a article on white nationalists /supremists in New Zealand .
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news...ttack-to-end-new-zealand-collective-innocence
There is plenty of evidence of local Islamophobic views, especially online. There are, and have been for a long time, individuals and groups who hold white supremacist views. They tend to threaten violence; seldom have they acted on those views. There is also a naivety amongst New Zealanders, including the media, about the need to be tolerant towards the intolerant.
Here is a report that includes some of the first responders and the toll on them
I do believe that we as humans do need to face these threats head on no matter the ideology. Isil or kkk it matters not ,we owe it to the victims of terror to call it what it is and who is doing it.
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news...ttack-to-end-new-zealand-collective-innocence
There is plenty of evidence of local Islamophobic views, especially online. There are, and have been for a long time, individuals and groups who hold white supremacist views. They tend to threaten violence; seldom have they acted on those views. There is also a naivety amongst New Zealanders, including the media, about the need to be tolerant towards the intolerant.
Here is a report that includes some of the first responders and the toll on them
I do believe that we as humans do need to face these threats head on no matter the ideology. Isil or kkk it matters not ,we owe it to the victims of terror to call it what it is and who is doing it.
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I feel like too often then not any tradegies like these are "politicized". What I mean is it isnt a left/right issue, but an issue that needs to be solved without left/right glasses on. Just take it head on and I feel New zealand is taking an example.
How is a right-wing extremest, mass murdering people of a specific religion, not political?
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Because what matters most in times of tragedy like this, is the ability to blame a certain political spectrum!
Well yes ... if you want to do something about stopping it from happening again, a basic understanding of the background & motives of the perpetrator would be a good place to start.
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Arguably this particular tragedy was politicised the moment the killer prepared a long political manifesto, painted political slogans onto the weapons he intended to kill with, and undertook mass murder explicitly in the name of his politics.
Exactly. Politics alongside Religion are two hot button topics that most people who very much a moderates won't bother to talk or touch.
Unfortunately those topics are very hot with extremists, and extremists love extreme things for their own gain even if its pretty much detrimental to the moderates.
