NEXT Online Events Update; VOTE!

[Paulie]

I must admit I find this quite reckless advice.

If the car in front of you is driving a perfectly normal line through the esses, it is already leaving a gap wide enough for you to stick your nose in. But just because you can doesn't give you a right to do so. At best you'll simply annoy and slow down the driver in front. At worst - and very likely - you'll hit him, causing him to spin out.

Even if you're faster and the driver in front is making big mistakes in the esses, there's at best a one in a million chance of pulling off a clean pass unless he leaves the track on his own. It just doesn't happen.

If someone is going at snail's pace through the esses and running wide, sometimes not running wide even but just really slow, then I've pulled off hundreds of clean passes in the esses. You have to have a SIGNIFICANT advantage though.

 

[Stotty]

I think the original point was about sticking your nose up the inside... which is a lot different to having a significant speed advantage.

And 'block passing' might be fine in real life, but the limited field of vision in a computer/console game means that you're relying heavily on the other driver anticipating you move. In my experience, this sort of move in GT5P on-line racing almost always ends up with the person on the outside being punted off.

 

[zabeu]

Even the in this regard rather lenient GTP online racing rules demand that you establish substantial overlap (your nose at his seat) at the turn-in point in order to be able to claim the inside line.

You're fooling yourself if you believe this is frequently the case in the esses. It is more than rare.

 

[Jack]

I love when moderators talk down to people! GREAT moderating!

Obviously you cant tell sarcasm. I did actaully answer the question in your post and I will now answer with a correct post for you

Unlimited PP on S tyres wouldnt be a good idea. Take the GTLM for example. I would be on 690BHP and weigh 990KG. On S3's the PP is still at 770. Only the top drivers would be able to keep the thing going, let alone get any good racing out of it.

For an online event to have something like that is:

ridiculous

 

[SpawnBlack]

It would be nice to see people not cutting corners on Suzuka, Fuji, and Daytona. Its not nice to always finish 5th 6th or last because half the field want to cut corners just to win. There are no trophies to win and no extra cars to win.....nothing!! So what is the point of cutting just to finish 1st.

These options for the next update looks great, its just a shame that young and old drivers cut corners just to win with no real reward.

 

[Ardius]

I think the original point was about sticking your nose up the inside... which is a lot different to having a significant speed advantage.

And 'block passing' might be fine in real life, but the limited field of vision in a computer/console game means that you're relying heavily on the other driver anticipating you move. In my experience, this sort of move in GT5P on-line racing almost always ends up with the person on the outside being punted off.

It can be done if both drivers are paying attention. I agree that it generally isn't advised online against random people, but with other GTP drivers or other tagged drivers, they usually notice.
I've used it on so many people online now that I think its perfectly acceptable although I'm usually willing to wait for drivers who don't notice and punt themselves off depending on how serious the knock was.

Otherwise, half the racing would be rather boring just holding station behind each other waiting for straights.

 

[Dragonistic]

I must admit I find this quite reckless advice.

If the car in front of you is driving a perfectly normal line through the esses, it is already leaving a gap wide enough for you to stick your nose in. But just because you can doesn't give you a right to do so. At best you'll simply annoy and slow down the driver in front. At worst - and very likely - you'll hit him, causing him to spin out.

Even if you're faster and the driver in front is making big mistakes in the esses, there's at best a one in a million chance of pulling off a clean pass unless he leaves the track on his own. It just doesn't happen.

I may done it to you during a Suzuka race a while back, you may have been using a Ford GT at the time or similarly powerful vehicle with little downforce whereas I always use a light but low powered vehicle utilising masses of downforce where possible. One in a million and when I've attempted to make the pass it's only ever failed when the person I'm trying to overtake tries to come down on top of me when I'm already along side halfway to the apex. Any good drive knows when to back down from such a move, I always give room if I'm going to hit there rear quarter, but if im at there door they should really be checking their mirrors and I have every right to be there.

It is risky if you don't know what you're doing, or if the driver infront isn't paying attention, but it's not my fault if I'm already alongside and they try to come down on top of me. It's no more dangerous then late braking up the inside of one and blocking the racing line when alongside the other driver. You might as well just say every overtake is dangerous that doesn't involved just passing someone in a straight line.



Skip to :50, this is it being perfectly executed, going up the inside and blocking the racing line, now are you saying this is a dangerous move? The AI knew to give up the position, a human player may attempt to hang on around the outside and rightly so, but it's a perfectly viable. When I start to consistently hit people off when I try this move, I'll stop doing it, but I can hand on my heart say that I've never just punted someones rear half of the car and have only made contact when someone just doesn't accept that I have the inside line.

I've also only ever generally used it on GTP_ drivers who ones which I've seen to be clean and fair because of the lack of curtosy that a random driver may have and they may just come down on top of me. Have you ever ran 2 cars wide down the esses? because I've seen it happen and been part of it, so long as the drivers are aware and of similar pace you can go through almost the entire set of turns side-by-side.

The beauty of this overtake is the surprise factor, but I suggest those considering it to practice against the AI first. The cut-off between dangerous and safe is how far alongside you get out of the first turn and into the second, it requires taking a different line completely which I'll even draw out for you.

It's crude but bare with me.

Key:
Red - Normal (ish) racing line
Green - Path which the car behind takes to get onto the inside of the next turn (will automatically be carrying more speed into the turn in order to pull alongside by taking this line at the limits of friction)
Yellow - Shows the path the defending car should take if the green car gets up to the door of the 'yellow' car.

I think the original point was about sticking your nose up the inside... which is a lot different to having a significant speed advantage.

Not literally just shoving your nose in, how stupid do you think I am, I just meant getting your nose up the inside and the natural speed advantage of the different line will take you up to a door usually and the car on the outside should give way to some degree. If you (the overtaker) doesn't get alongside then you leave room, simple.

It requires good race craft and practice but it is by no means impossible and it's very easy to avoid an accident if an attempt fails, you're all capable of making such a move stick, or giving way when you can't. It's just as difficult as late braking into turn one and diving up the inside.

 

[Vaxen]

Skip to :50, this is it being perfectly executed, going up the inside and blocking the racing line, now are you saying this is a dangerous move?

In this video, Sphinx pulls even with the other driver prior to the turn-in point, clearly establishing position, so the pass is legitimate.

Note that if the driver ahead makes a mistake and runs wide, there is an opportunity to pass up the inside, but this isn't really the point of contention.

The objection is to a late brake up the inside, especially if you anticipate contact with the outside car to help you keep the line.

... aaaand we're off topic...

 

[IsmokeGT]

Obviously you cant tell sarcasm. I did actaully answer the question in your post:

Obviously you dont understand what a rhetorical question is. Once you understand what that is you may give me sarcasm. Until that day comes you can keep your negative thoughts, calling someones idea ridiculous, to yourself. 👍

You really are offensive and you are a "Jack" in more ways than one.

 

[Jack]

Obviously you dont understand what a rhetorical question is. Once you understand what that is you may give me sarcasm. Until that day comes you can keep your negative thoughts, calling someones idea ridiculous, to yourself. 👍

You really are offensive and you are a "Jack" in more ways than one.

If your referring to your second post it wasnt a question but a statement. And if your referring to your first then I was giving logic to an online event idea.

If you think about online events for a second and how unlimited PP is a bad idea. Not only would you have different cars ranging from 450PP to 900PP, the tyre chioce would cause choas. You would have a massive difference in speeds down the straights. Ability wise many couldnt handle it and even if they could it would lead to poor racing.

I wasnt actually offensive personally in my posts to you, just giving a logical opinion to an unlogical idea. But then you reply with a personal insult to me... Dont do it again

 

[IsmokeGT]

Ok, we will keep going...

I never said having an unlimited pp race would be competitive, or any of the nonsense things you keep thinking I implied. I simply said it would be interesting. Having cars that are completly different would be interesting.

Why you are so worried about me giving an off the wall idea is beyond me. Maybe you should step back from the situation and understand that all I said was that it would be interesting. I never said they should do it.

You wrote something I said was ridiculous. Thats offensive.

Your ignorant attack on the English language is rather offensive also. Alot isnt a word. In that same sentence you have no subject. Come on man, thats 2 of the 7 grammar errors in that 1 post. Your logic is not understandable if you cant convey your thoughts in a logical manner.

YOUR is A LOT different that YOU'RE

 

[EDK]

Ok, we will keep going...

I never said having an unlimited pp race would be competitive, or any of the nonsense things you keep thinking I implied. I simply said it would be interesting. Having cars that are completly different would be interesting.

Why you are so worried about me giving an off the wall idea is beyond me. Maybe you should step back from the situation and understand that all I said was that it would be interesting. I never said they should do it.

You wrote something I said was ridiculous. Thats offensive.

Your ignorant attack on the English language is rather offensive also. Alot isnt a word. In that same sentence you have no subject. Come on man, thats 2 of the 7 grammar errors in that 1 post. Your logic is not understandable if you cant convey your thoughts in a logical manner.

YOUR is A LOT different that YOU'RE

You're walking a fine line here. You've turned this into a personal argument, when the original discussion was in regard to an idea or concept. Not to mention the fact that you are guilty of some of the same mistakes you are complaining about.

It's completely, not completly.

It's isn't, not isnt.

That's, not Thats. Which, ironically, you used in a sentence complaining about 7 grammar errors.

The original intent of the thread was to provide suggestions and ideas for what we would like to race for the next round of online event updates.

Now you say that you posted an idea as something that would be interesting, not something you'd suggest PD actually implement.

My suggestion would be to get this back on topic, or move on.

 

[Jack]

Youre right, my grammer was poor 👍 But with someone challenging your post you need to pick up on every detail due not wanting to keep this on topic? No need to take it personally and attack me for disagreeing.

With you even thinking about an unlimited PP on an S tyre event I expressed my view which didnt match with yours. I answered the question of "why is 600PP so popular" and "why stop at 600PP" twice.

From game release there hasnt been an unlimited PP event for good reason. That very reason is why there hasnt been many fixed tyre events. If you think about the reasons why, you will get an answer to the question you asked.

 

[IsmokeGT]

My suggestion would be to get this back on topic, or move on.

Sounds GREAT!
(youre post? LOL)
Sorry Jack, honestly. I love you either way.

To EDK- I didn(')t count commas and apostrophes

 

[MeAgainstYou]

Fugi GT for when? the only track that we've never had.. PD give us something different no!? i think we deserve something than only 11 tracks and 72 cars.. how do we still playing it.. we're truly fans

 

[EDK]

To EDK- I didn(')t count commas and apostrophes

Really?

YOUR is A LOT different that YOU'RE

Anyhow, I'm moving on as well.

 

[Horde_R35]

I say Fuji F 800pp or Daytona 800pp. To see the real potencial of the cars in the game an unlimited event wouldnt be that "ridiculous". In every event theres always a car that is much faster then the others so in a way would be fun and in S tires a challenge.

 

[Timppaq]

When we get 100 votes, we'll sum up what would be the two best combos in "our" opinion Although it's looking clear already...

edit,

here's a race from the old 600pp Suzuka S2's :



Looks a bit slippery there..

 

[Timppaq]

PD, it's clear what we want! Give us one favourite before GT5. Will you? Please!!

--> Suzuka 600pp - 10laps - World Event - Drivetrain free or RWD only - Free tyres or Fixed S-compound!! (S-compound )

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

Good poll Timo 👍 I also really hope for 600pp on S compound! Please listen PD

 

[Timppaq]

👍

 

[Horde_R35]

PD 600pp is most voted but dont forget the 2nd and 3rd most voted event please!

 

[Timppaq]

So 800pp Daytona Rd. ?

( 👍 )

 

[MeAgainstYou]

ok bring the 600PP/suz/S2 i really dont remember that as the best i had.. maybe i was studding a lot on that moth bring it PD 👍

 

[RUFin]

I think its time for first PRO event.CLUTCH,INCAR,ABS 0,and enything FR with S tires.Simulation,no bumper cam,no ABS on,no padles.Thank you.

 

[Dragonistic]

I think its time for first PRO event.CLUTCH,INCAR,ABS 0,and enything FR with S tires.Simulation,no bumper cam,no ABS on,no padles.Thank you.

That would be the most boring event known to man, having it so only clutch users can enter? Not a good idea.