NFS Carbon thingy

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JR and Deep. I would highly suggest you heed Live4speed's advise right away. This is just stupid banter now and to top it off...it's in the wrong thread! :banghead:

If you going to argue about the amount of memory a system has then you should go to a thread dedicated to that system. If you want to argue about how a game will run better on a specific system, go to the thread about that system.

All of this makes no sense since nobody has a PS3 yet anyway.
 
JR and Deep. I would highly suggest you heed Live4speed's advise right away. This is just stupid banter now and to top it off...it's in the wrong thread! :banghead:

If you going to argue about the amount of memory a system has then you should go to a thread dedicated to that system. If you want to argue about how a game will run better on a specific system, go to the thread about that system.

All of this makes no sense since nobody has a PS3 yet anyway.
Enough said.

I hope they do something to improve the gameplay over the demo :scared: :guilty:
 
JR and Deep. I would highly suggest you heed Live4speed's advise right away. This is just stupid banter now and to top it off...it's in the wrong thread! :banghead:

If you going to argue about the amount of memory a system has then you should go to a thread dedicated to that system. If you want to argue about how a game will run better on a specific system, go to the thread about that system.

All of this makes no sense since nobody has a PS3 yet anyway.

I have to amend this post after re-reading it and realizing what thread I'm in. :dopey:

It is stupid banter and it is pointless since you could at some point start adding the cache memory to total system memory(and we all know that doesn't count) or comparing PC's to consoles(because we all know that is apples and oranges).

However, this is the correct thread to rag on the opposing system. I'm just wondering why some of you are fighting so hard? Is your Microsoft of Sony stock at stake? :scared: :lol:
 
I have to amend this post after re-reading it and realizing what thread I'm in. :dopey:

It is stupid banter and it is pointless since you could at some point start adding the cache memory to total system memory(and we all know that doesn't count) or comparing PC's to consoles(because we all know that is apples and oranges).

However, this is the correct thread to rag on the opposing system. I'm just wondering why some of you are fighting so hard? Is your Microsoft of Sony stock at stake? :scared: :lol:

More than half the post are not based on NFS carbon. Though people never read my news & prefer to argue with me... >_>

I started the thread with exclusive news about the gameplay. Now that everybody thing the game suck, why not changing to 360 vs PS3 & let it die. :sly:
 
More than half the post are not based on NFS carbon. Though people never read my news & prefer to argue with me... >_>

I started the thread with exclusive news about the gameplay. Now that everybody thing the game suck, why not changing to 360 vs PS3 & let it die. :sly:

You know what, I thought something was really strange with that. But that just proves my original point even more. Also, NOBODY CARES about the stupid banter. Whether you are right or not is irrelevant. Just be cool. We all need to get along here.
 
^^^ I can promise that the 360 AI will not be any better. In fact, I can bet you won't even notice a difference.

But I can promise that the frame rate will be better.

You're stretching now. What "facts" do you have that we don't? When the lead producer on the game says the two versions will be indentical except for improved AI on the 360, then why in THE hell would I believe YOU saying something different? Are you secretly a programmer for Ubisoft and aren't telling us?

Jeremy Ricci
I already know what the facts are.

Here we are with these "facts" again. Tell me, boy, how do you get this amazing "inside information"? Lemme guess... you have a friend who works at Gamestop, right?

Jeremy Ricci
And for the record, how about we add:

1080p
True HDMI output
Standard HDD support
Out of the Box High Def movie playback
Web Browsing

To the list of things that the 360 cannot do.

Um.. are you forgetting that the PS3 costs 25% more than the 360? Oh, that's just in the "PS3 Lite"... for the "real" PS3, it's 50% more. Boom, there's your "amazing differences" right there. It's called "more features for more money" and it's been part of the electronics business for more than half a century. They had to give us something to convince people to spend that kind of money, yeah?

Oh, and MS is giving out 1080p support for free in the next firmware update. So you can take that item off your "list".

It's funny... I never saw how equally blind the PS3 fanboys could be until I started watching the show from the other side of the fence.

I used to be like you, kid. PS3 ruled the world, and Sony could do no wrong. I was going to sell my left testicle to get a PS3 on launch day, and it was going to launch me into a state of unfettered bliss that would last no less than twenty years.

Then I bought a 360, for little more than ****s and giggles. And I'm now convinced that PS3 isn't nearly the super leap in technology that I thought it was. That, in reality, it's not that different from the box I've got downstairs right now. I've also realized that there's nothing at launch that's worth $650+ for me to play on day one. I'll be waiting and picking one up when the real game library sets in.

At this point, I'm no longer a fanboy of either system, a true "multiplatform" gamer. It's amazing how much clearer the view is from over here.
 
Then I bought a 360, for little more than ****s and giggles. And I'm now convinced that PS3 isn't nearly the super leap in technology that I thought it was.

It Certinly is an enormous leap over PS2 and Xbox combined. And still Its a leap over the 360 heance the price of the system.

That, in reality, it's not that different from the box I've got downstairs right now.

I dont know what reality you speak of but actual reality indicates the system is very different.

I've also realized that there's nothing at launch that's worth $650+ for me to play on day one. I'll be waiting and picking one up when the real game library sets in.

So you have seen and played the games then? Or are you only sold on videos? I'm not really questioning your opinions but its a very closed minded one. I have not knocked a single 360 game I haven't played.
 
You're stretching now. What "facts" do you have that we don't? When the lead producer on the game says the two versions will be indentical except for improved AI on the 360, then why in THE hell would I believe YOU saying something different? Are you secretly a programmer for Ubisoft and aren't telling us?



Here we are with these "facts" again. Tell me, boy, how do you get this amazing "inside information"? Lemme guess... you have a friend who works at Gamestop, right?



Um.. are you forgetting that the PS3 costs 25% more than the 360? Oh, that's just in the "PS3 Lite"... for the "real" PS3, it's 50% more. Boom, there's your "amazing differences" right there. It's called "more features for more money" and it's been part of the electronics business for more than half a century. They had to give us something to convince people to spend that kind of money, yeah?

Oh, and MS is giving out 1080p support for free in the next firmware update. So you can take that item off your "list".

It's funny... I never saw how equally blind the PS3 fanboys could be until I started watching the show from the other side of the fence.

I used to be like you, kid. PS3 ruled the world, and Sony could do no wrong. I was going to sell my left testicle to get a PS3 on launch day, and it was going to launch me into a state of unfettered bliss that would last no less than twenty years.

Then I bought a 360, for little more than ****s and giggles. And I'm now convinced that PS3 isn't nearly the super leap in technology that I thought it was. That, in reality, it's not that different from the box I've got downstairs right now. I've also realized that there's nothing at launch that's worth $650+ for me to play on day one. I'll be waiting and picking one up when the real game library sets in.

At this point, I'm no longer a fanboy of either system, a true "multiplatform" gamer. It's amazing how much clearer the view is from over here.

Actually, even the Wii can output 1080P, though it will suffer from framerate or playing a game that doesn't ask much in performance. Most XBOX 360 games can only be upscaled to 1080P.

The thing is 720P with AA is fair enough to enjoy games. 1080P are for those who have huge TV that cost over 2000$(54inch & bigger or projection).

The PS3 & the XBOX 360 are a huge leap over the XBOX & PS2. Though it's not that noticable with the eyes, coz most games are tricked to death. Fight Night Round 3 is a good example. The background is blurred to death & you only see both character(Though there's other games that look way better than FNR3). Each games have it own characteristic. They make sacrifice around so the game remain playable.

The PS3, XBOX 360 & Wii all use VMX-128 instruction set. The code are the same on them. Console games are computer. Whatever what you think, you cannot gain more performance but save performance. The reason why I say that you won't see a leap on current video shown at TGS, it's because the texture weren't good overall. Texture & Shader play a big part with Unreal Engine 3 & it is the best dev tool to save performance out of the machine. Though none of the game shown in real time were using unreal engine 3. But I still believe in what I've written earlier & it won't look good on PS3.
 
You're stretching now. What "facts" do you have that we don't? When the lead producer on the game says the two versions will be indentical except for improved AI on the 360, then why in THE hell would I believe YOU saying something different? Are you secretly a programmer for Ubisoft and aren't telling us?



Here we are with these "facts" again. Tell me, boy, how do you get this amazing "inside information"? Lemme guess... you have a friend who works at Gamestop, right?



Um.. are you forgetting that the PS3 costs 25% more than the 360? Oh, that's just in the "PS3 Lite"... for the "real" PS3, it's 50% more. Boom, there's your "amazing differences" right there. It's called "more features for more money" and it's been part of the electronics business for more than half a century. They had to give us something to convince people to spend that kind of money, yeah?

Oh, and MS is giving out 1080p support for free in the next firmware update. So you can take that item off your "list".

It's funny... I never saw how equally blind the PS3 fanboys could be until I started watching the show from the other side of the fence.

I used to be like you, kid. PS3 ruled the world, and Sony could do no wrong. I was going to sell my left testicle to get a PS3 on launch day, and it was going to launch me into a state of unfettered bliss that would last no less than twenty years.

Then I bought a 360, for little more than ****s and giggles. And I'm now convinced that PS3 isn't nearly the super leap in technology that I thought it was. That, in reality, it's not that different from the box I've got downstairs right now. I've also realized that there's nothing at launch that's worth $650+ for me to play on day one. I'll be waiting and picking one up when the real game library sets in.

At this point, I'm no longer a fanboy of either system, a true "multiplatform" gamer. It's amazing how much clearer the view is from over here.

Personally, I don't appreciate your attacks, and addressing me as a child. I'm a 23 year old adult who enjoy's gaming, makes 35K a year in an area where my cost of living is 10K a year, and is currently in college with a major of graphic design and a minor in english.

So, please, if you could ever find it in your heart to be so kind, stop addressing me as child.

First off, the 360 is offering 1080p, however, at the moment it is not true 1080p output. Reasons being, as far as I understand it, has two limitations. One, there aren't many HDTV's that accept 1080p signal over component inputs. Second, when the HDMI cable "is" released, it will not be HDMI 1.3, nor do I really think it will be "true" hdmi, so to speak. I'd also like to mention MS has been very dodgey when asked about the internal bandwidth when it comes to actually processing a true 1080p image.

To put my other comments in perspective...the core 360 is $300 with no harddrive. The basic PS3 is $500. If we add an HDD to the core 360, we're at $400. Then if you mix HD-DVD into the picture, you're sitting at $600. So now you're paying the same price as a Premium PS3, with 40GB less HDD space, and no wifi (not to mention 2 fewer USB ports and no card reader slots).

My point is, you're not paying as much for the features as you would be with the 360. And, in my honest opinion, the future will make these things a requirement. I just don't see DVD lasting yet another 5 years as a video game medium. Given that it can support current technologies, the space required will be quite insufficient when you start laying down 7.1 DD, 1080p video, massive amounts of audio content, or even as games begin expanding to really take advantage of their hardware, giving us variety in texture, and adding to the atmospheric feeling we should be getting from next generation games.

I honestly think the 360 is crippled by it's features, not now, of course not, but in 3 years, I most definately think that the PS3 will far outshine the 360 as far as features, support, content, and overall value.

You mention "more features for more money" as though Sony planned on charging this amount of money from the start and then threw in Blu-Ray and other goodie bag options as an after thought. THat is not the case. The price is a result of the hardware.

The only thing right now that the 360 can do that the PS3 cannot is rumble. And honestly, that's not going to sell me when I want to enjoy high def content on my HDTV.

Then we've got the entire issue of sheer developer support when it comes to 1080p. Being that the PS3 has a native resolution output of 1080p, and the 360 does not, I do not see 1080p being widely supported for the 360. I see a lot of games being upscaled, yes, but not much native content on the way.
 
The PS3, XBOX 360 & Wii all use VMX-128 instruction set. The code are the same on them. Console games are computer. Whatever what you think, you cannot gain more performance but save performance. The reason why I say that you won't see a leap on current video shown at TGS, it's because the texture weren't good overall. Texture & Shader play a big part with Unreal Engine 3 & it is the best dev tool to save performance out of the machine. Though none of the game shown in real time were using unreal engine 3. But I still believe in what I've written earlier & it won't look good on PS3.

Unreal 2K7 was shown at E5 2005 running in real time and it looked (and ran) quite a bit better than Gears of War.
 
I'd also like to mention MS has been very dodgey when asked about the internal bandwidth when it comes to actually processing a true 1080p image.

In case someone may wonder:

IGN : Does the Xbox 360 have the internal bandwidth between CPUs and graphics processors necessary to move a full 1080p image? There's a big difference between 1080i and the 3GB/s of 1080p.

Microsoft: No Comment.
 
...the space required will be quite insufficient when you start laying down 7.1 DD...
The PS3 will only be doing 5.1 DD for games, not 7.1 DD. It will do 7.1 for movies, but games will be 5.1 at most. Thats from Dolby themselves.
Dolby Labs
PLAYSTATION 3 will feature interactive Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound for games, Dolby Digital, and Dolby TrueHD for decoding up to 7.1 channels for Blu-ray movie playback.
http://investor.dolby.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=211947

Hilg
 
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Then how come Resistance has 7.1 DD?
Not sure I can be the one to answer that. Either someone was incorrectly quoted when saying the game has it, or Dolby themselves were wrong when quoting their own specs for the machine. I merely quoted Dolby on their involvement in the console.

Hilg
 
Not sure I can be the one to answer that. Either someone was incorrectly quoted when saying the game has it, or Dolby themselves were wrong when quoting their own specs for the machine. I merely quoted Dolby on their involvement in the console.

Hilg

Considering that the quote you used from Dolby is around 1 year and a half old...I'm pretty sure it's the later half of your statement. Dolby has nothing to do with the implementation of it's technology for PS3, only that they charge sony a license fee to use it.
 
Personally, I don't appreciate your attacks, and addressing me as a child. I'm a 23 year old adult who enjoy's gaming, makes 35K a year in an area where my cost of living is 10K a year, and is currently in college with a major of graphic design and a minor in english.

So, please, if you could ever find it in your heart to be so kind, stop addressing me as child.

Then take off your blinders and stop acting like a child, and maybe I will. This thread isn't the only place where I've noticed a less-than-adult tone in your conversations. And you're not the only one with a few years on you. I often call anyone younger than me a "kid", and as I have nearly a decade on you, you qualify.

Deap, I wasn't talking to you.

Both of you also missed the point I was trying to make. I'm not trying to say that the Xbox360 is better than the PS3, but you're reacting as if I did. I was pointing out that I've thrown off my blinders and no longer consider any one system to be significantly better than the other, as you apparently still do. You should really try it sometime.

Even if we toss all the numbers and better-thans out the window, we're still left with the games. And limiting yourself only to PS3, you're going to miss out on quite a few. In case you hadn't noticed, there seems to be a larger number of exclusive games this time around than there were last time. I've got my bases covered with both... how 'bout you?
 
Considering that the quote you used from Dolby is around 1 year and a half old...I'm pretty sure it's the later half of your statement. Dolby has nothing to do with the implementation of it's technology for PS3, only that they charge sony a license fee to use it.
Lets read....real....slow....now. OK? Here we go...
SAN FRANCISCO, Sep 22, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Dolby Laboratories, Inc. (NYSE : DLB) announced today that the PLAYSTATION(R) 3 computer entertainment system from Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) will support Dolby(R) Digital 5.1 surround sound for next-generation entertainment, including games and movie titles in the Blu-ray Disc format.

PLAYSTATION 3 will feature interactive Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound for games, Dolby Digital, and Dolby TrueHD for decoding up to 7.1 channels for Blu-ray movie playback.

This powerful combination of Dolby technologies allows people to enjoy movies and games in discrete multichannel surround sound on the tens of millions of audio/video receivers and home theater systems worldwide that are equipped with Dolby technology.

"The launch of PLAYSTATION 3 represents the next chapter of gaming and entertainment," said Izumi Kawanishi, Corporate Executive and Senior Vice President of Software Platform Development Division, SCEI. "Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital 5.1 complement the tremendous innovations delivered through PLAYSTATION 3, which offers the best possible high-definition entertainment experience."

"In the age of high definition, games need to look and sound better than ever before," said John Griffin, Marketing Director, Games, Dolby Laboratories. "Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital 5.1 will bring new levels of emotion and realism to movies and games. We think people will be amazed once they connect their PLAYSTATION 3 to an audio/video receiver or home theater system."

Availability

Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound and Dolby TrueHD will be supported with PLAYSTATION 3, which will be available in Japan on November 11, 2006 and in North America on November 17, 2006. For more information, visit www.dolby.com/games.
Get that ok??

Hilg
 
did you guys tried to finish the demo circuit race in reverse? it's so funny when you guys finished in reverse your crew will say "WOW!! you finished first in REVERSE!!!" :)
 
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