NHL 2010-2011 Thread

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VANDENAL
Ummm... Dude, he sees the stantion, and he hits him anyway. You have to suspend for that. No intent my backside, Pacioretty wasn't going to get the puck anyway if Chara went back to play it.
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Obviously Pacioretty wasn't going to get the puck, Chara wasn't trying to prevent him from doing that, he was finishing his check, as he has every right to do because Pacioretty played the puck. Hitting a guy into the stantion does not warrant a suspension. You see plenty of hits into the stantion every year, its just unfortunate that Pacioretty went head first into it.
 


Here's another look at it, check around 0:55 for an overhead view. You can see Chara's arm extend into the glass post.
 
NHL suspensins have never made much sence to me. I think Chara shoud get a suspension, intent or not. I think players need to be more responsible for their hits, including hits to the head or knee on knee (i still cringe when i see the Samulson hit on Neely). Hopefully he will be able to return to the NHL.
 
Shudders...... At least we know Pacioretty is alive and concious. I saw that and I swear I thought he was a goner. Your right again Noob616, the NHL won't do anything until somebody is dead. Pacioretty voiced his opinion, by the way he doesn't remember the hit, 'He was disgusted that there wasn't even a small suspension, even just if its one game. And HE felt that Chara pushed him in the shoulder, and guided him into the turnbuckle.' How do you think his parents feel, Chara possibly just ended their kids career? I wish him good luck and a speedy recovery.
 
VANDENAL
Shudders...... At least we know Pacioretty is alive and concious. I saw that and I swear I thought he was a goner. Your right again Noob616, the NHL won't do anything until somebody is dead. Pacioretty voiced his opinion, by the way he doesn't remember the hit, 'He was disgusted that there wasn't even a small suspension, even just if its one game. And HE felt that Chara pushed him in the shoulder, and guided him into the turnbuckle.' How do you think his parents feel, Chara possibly just ended their kids career? I wish him good luck and a speedy recovery.
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He broke vertebrae in his neck, he's gone for the season. There's a good chance he'll never play again.
 
gary31
NHL suspensins have never made much sence to me. I think Chara shoud get a suspension, intent or not. I think players need to be more responsible for their hits, including hits to the head or knee on knee (i still cringe when i see the Samulson hit on Neely). Hopefully he will be able to return to the NHL.
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The Samuelsson hit on Neely was just plain dirty and full of intent. Ulf was a dirty cheapshotter and backstabber his whole career and the one time he got sucker punched makes me smile every time I watch it.

However, with hits to the head, I think players should be more careful and not put themselves in vulnerable positions. Most hits to the head are unintentional, often because the guy with the puck is an idiot and carries the puck with his head down. Players need to keep their head up, and learn to spin away from checks. Of course, there are some exceptions like Matt Cooke on Marc Savard, but in a fast, contact sport like hockey where you have a 6 ft 6 guys hitting guys 9 inches shorter than them it is impossible to avoid contact with the head.
 
Pacioretty commented on the hit and the league's handling, he wasn't happy and pulled no punches.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357316

Says he was "disgusted" by no suspension, doesn't buy Chara's BS, wanted a 1-3 game suspension to set a precedent that it was wrong. You can sense the anger in his quotes, I commend Pacioretty for having the balls to criticize the league like that.

EDIT: Scott Gomez "Chara crossed the line"

http://www.montrealgazette.com/spor...h+Pacioretty/4412928/story.html#ixzz1GAOGYPb5
 
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The NHL has a lack of consistency regarding supplementary discipline. Basically players are doing whatever they want. They needed to suspend Chara at least 1 game to get players to think while playing, and think about the consequences of playing dirty. Prepare for more cheapshots and dirty play. The Habs-Bruins rematch will be nasty. I believe Montreal will win, but there will be a lot of pims handed out.
 
Noob616
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=555623

Kubina suspended 3 games for hit to the head of Dave Bolland.


This is absolute, total horse:censored:
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That was an elbow to the head, he should have gotten something but 3 games??? Wow

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VANDENAL
The NHL has a lack of consistency regarding supplementary discipline. Basically players are doing whatever they want. They needed to suspend Chara at least 1 game to get players to think while playing, and think about the consequences of playing dirty. Prepare for more cheapshots and dirty play. The Habs-Bruins rematch will be nasty. I believe Montreal will win, but there will be a lot of pims handed out.
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I doubt much funny business will happen. A fight or two at the most. It's too close to the playoffs to risk doing that sort of thing.

@ Gary- I agree it was a suspendable hit (Kubina's). I'm just enraged at how that gets 3 games yet Chara gets nothing.
 
bigllama93
You can't tell from that angle. Chara's hand could be 1/2 a foot or a foot in front of his head and it would look the same.
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Check the video I posted on the last page, there's an overhead camera view showing Chara's arm extend into Pacioretty's head, and the post.
 
I saw the video, and I saw the overhead view. Chara pushed his shoulder, and as Pacioretty fell, Chara's hand may have made contact with the helmet, but it definitely wasn't steering his head so that it would smash into the stanchion.
 
bigllama93
I saw the video, and I saw the overhead view. Chara pushed his shoulder, and as Pacioretty fell, Chara's hand may have made contact with the helmet, but it definitely wasn't steering his head so that it would smash into the stanchion.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree here. I understand I may be biased because he's a Montreal player, but I still feel he wa pushed into it. Regardless, can we agree that the NHL is ridiculously inconsistent about suspensions?
 
Noob616
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. I understand I may be biased because he's a Montreal player, but I still feel he wa pushed into it. Regardless, can we agree that the NHL is ridiculously inconsistent about suspensions?
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Yeah, the NHL sucks at handing out suspensions. They get it right occasionally, but not very often at all. Same goes for their officiating.
 
NHL is the only american sport i really follow for the past few years, and specifically i've been a fan of the Ducks (hope anyone doesn't hate me :nervous: ) this season their performance hasn't been great, mixed season esp in 2011 with a mix of wins and loses that has seen them drop drop in the standings a bit

tho living in Ireland its hard to actually get to watch any of the games live with the time zone differences, it would mean me staying up really really late at night, but i can't do that as i've work in the mornings 👎
 
Ru-fus
NHL is the only american sport i really follow for the past few years, and specifically i've been a fan of the Ducks (hope anyone doesn't hate me :nervous: ) this season their performance hasn't been great, mixed season esp in 2011 with a mix of wins and loses that has seen them drop drop in the standings a bit

tho living in Ireland its hard to actually get to watch any of the games live with the time zone differences, it would mean me staying up really really late at night, but i can't do that as i've work in the mornings 👎
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I'm a casual Ducks fan, Saku Koivu was (and is) one of my favourite players. I think the Canadiens would be a lot better off with him as their 2nd line centre than Gomez.
 
I've always liked the ducks too, when I was a little kid, Paul Kariya was one of my favourite players. I liked them even more after they beat the senaturds in the '07 finals.
 
Leafs have a 5.7% chance of making the playoffs if they win tonight.

If they lose, it's 1.7%.

Down 3-0 in the third, and 'The Towel' is in net (as in THROW IN THE TOWEL). It's looking like 1.7%. At least I've got some good beers to drink while I watch the ship go down.

I'm taking a page from dumb&dumber though until the playoff chance reaches 0 "So, you're saying there's a chance..."
 
Not to drag up the Chara/Pacioretty stuff again, but...

Let me say first the NHL disciplinary system is a joke. I doubt anyone will disagree there.

The reaction of a lot of Habs fans about this is hilarious. Wanting Chara thrown out the league, various things (I haven't followed all of it, being an Avalanche fan I've got enough on my plate :P) alongside that including sponsors threatening to withdraw and the police apprently getting involved?

Jeremy Roenick said it best on twitter in my opinion:

"I wonder why fans didn't do anything 20 yrs 10yrs ago when brett lindros's career ended bc of concussions or jeff beukeboom or keith primeau"

"Our game will always be a brutal physical sport w major injuries"

"I know we have new info on concussions and all but you don't see the players picketing and complaining. Aren't they the ones in harms way!"

Hockey is a fast paced game. Injuries happen, and while Paccioretty's is obviously horrible and I hope he can recover (which he seemingly should be able to, thankfully), stuff like this happens. As I saw somewhere, having a solid object in the field of play is the main problem here, why there's still a solid barrier there between the benches is beyond me. Look what happened to Ryan Smyth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPphB84zMCM (can't get the video to embed)

There was no great outcry by anyone there (thankfully he wasn't badly injured). Why? It's basically the same hit except much harder and arguably with more intent, where was the demand for repercussion there?

As for Chara, why should he be kicked out? Bertuzzi still plays to this day and what he did to Steve Moore was much worse, given that it was pre-meditated and Moore hasn't led a normal life since.

I apologise if I've wavered a bit during this post, but the Chara hit wasn't as bad as it's been made out. And the NHL discipline system is a joke.
 
Max Powers
Leafs have a 5.7% chance of making the playoffs if they win tonight.

If they lose, it's 1.7%.

Down 3-0 in the third, and 'The Towel' is in net (as in THROW IN THE TOWEL). It's looking like 1.7%. At least I've got some good beers to drink while I watch the ship go down.

I'm taking a page from dumb&dumber though until the playoff chance reaches 0 "So, you're saying there's a chance..."
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We never really had a chance anyways... except maybe after 4 games into the season when we were 4-0
 
Ryan White with the Gordie Howe hat trick, Subban with the regular hat trick, and the Canadiens up 7-1 over the wild with 2 minutes left in the 3rd :D
 
Cooke gets suspended for last 10 games of reg season plus 1st round of playoffs, minimum 14 maximum 17. I would have gone two rounds or 20 games whichever came first, and I'm a Pens fan. I really don't want him on my team if he's going to continue taking cheap shots and getting suspended. Makes the team and the GM look bad.
 
I think the league did a good job with that suspension. It seems appropriate, perhaps it could have been a little more, but beggars can't be choosers.
 
Cooke is a piece of garbage and shouldn't be allowed to play again. He has a blatant disregard for the safety of other players, and goes out purposely to hurt guys. I agree that Campbell did a good job with this suspension, but I think the only reason it was this long is because he went unpunished for his hit on Savard last year.
 

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