Nintendo copyrights on Youtube.

[Com Fox]

This is happened recently, Nintendo has became a Youtube partner and is pulling some new thing which is ticking people off.

If you post a video on Youtube that involves Nintendo Product (Usually let's plays). Nintendo will put there own ads on the videos and all the money goes to Nintendo for using there product.

Good thing is that they are not taking the videos down but this is making the Let's Players and their fans mad, some (I heard) are going as far as calling Nintendo the new "Anti-Christ/Devil of Gaming".

I would like to know your opinion on this issue.

To me: I don't really care, I'm just happy Nintendo didn't take the videos down.

 

[Tesla]

What's wrong with a company trying to earn their fair share of the profits that large Youtube channels are making from their games?

Anyway, I haven't seen an ad on Youtube since at least 2011. Don't most people use ad blockers nowadays?

 

[Spoil-t]

Nintendo should of went out of business years ago so they can go nick off.

 

[dylansan]

What's wrong with a company trying to earn their fair share of the profits that large Youtube channels are making from their games?

Many Let's Players make a living by making videos of games, and why shouldn't they? It's entertainment and they deserve to be paid for it. Now some say that LPers reduce demand for products because players can just watch someone play the game instead of buying it for themselves. However, it's just as true that many people become interested in and buy games because they saw someone LP it.

What's going to happen is people are going to find other games to LP and Nintendo won't get the profits from them nor the free advertising.

Anyway, I haven't seen an ad on Youtube since at least 2011. Don't most people use ad blockers nowadays?

Hopefully you don't watch Let's Players then, as you'd basically be taking advantage of them getting free entertainment without letting them get the revenue they deserve.

 

[Tornado]

Once I learned that they aren't doing it to videos with accounts that don't have revenue enabled, I found it extremely difficult to find any problem with it.

What's going to happen is people are going to find other games to LP and Nintendo won't get the profits from them nor the free advertising.

I'm extremely doubtful that people are going to just stop LPing Nintendo games.

Nintendo should of went out of business years ago so they can go nick off.

I agree. It's a wonder people still buy their stuff.

How clairvoyant.

 

[Slash]

Nintendo should of went out of business years ago.

I agree. It's a wonder people still buy their stuff.

 

[Mikeybc]

Well if I'd be pulling my vid down if Nintendo forced an advertisement into a video I took the time to make and upload, just having a Nintendo appear in a vid should be considered as free advertising.

I and many others post videos for others to see what they want them to see, nothing else. Ads will only keep me away from YouTube, I hit the back button immediatly on my browser if a ad on YouTube appears. This Internet is slowly becoming nothing more than a giant billboard.

 

[Danoff]

Well if I'd be pulling my vid down if Nintendo forced an advertisement into a video I took the time to make and upload

Yes that would make sense provided that your video had nothing to do with Nintendo. If, as this thread is about, the video was created by Nintendo hardware and software, how is this a problem?

 

[Mikeybc]

Yes that would make sense provided that your video had nothing to do with Nintendo. If, as this thread is about, the video was created by Nintendo hardware and software, how is this a problem?

It all boils down to corporate greed in the end...using every legal route to make another buck, ultimately at he consumers expense. I don't want or need to view another advertisement to view a video of someone playing or demondtrating a game that someone else, a consumer, not Nintendo, took the time to create and post.

 

[DK]

TBH, Let's Plays do act as a sort of free advertising for games and consoles. I'm pretty sure some of us may have only heard of certain games because a big gaming channel, e.g. RoosterTeeth or the Yogscast, do Let's Plays.

 

[Tornado]

I don't want or need to view another advertisement to view a video of someone playing or demondtrating a game that someone else, a consumer, not Nintendo, took the time to create and post.

Let's be real here: 90% of the appeal of your typical Let's Play is the games being showcased; not the person talking into the microphone. That's why there are plenty of examples of Let's Plays where no one says anything at all and just plays through the game. It's the same reason Rifftrax would be irrelevant without the movies that they are formed around.

 

[Sprite]

Well this is what Sony will do with the videos created on the PS4, its just Nintendo have done it first. I personally have no problem. You can skip the ad after 5 seconds anyway and if they decided to put a full advert up then just use a blocking tool if thats the way you feel.

 

[Joel]

It all boils down to corporate greed in the end...using every legal route to make another buck, ultimately at he consumers expense. I don't want or need to view another advertisement to view a video of someone playing or demondtrating a game that someone else, a consumer, not Nintendo, took the time to create and post.

SO would you rather they just take the videos down?

Honestly it's like corporations can't even try to turn a profit any more without people going off about how greedy they are. How is it "at the consumer's expense"? Consumers were making money off of Nintendo's games and system, and now Nintendo is making money off of it too. If anything the way it was working was the consumers making money at Nintendo's expense.

 

[Mikeybc]

@ Tornado: Ok , the second paragraph in the OP led me to believe if I posted up a vid of myself playing Nintendo that Nintendo would walk in and slap a advertisement on or before my video..
I didn't realize it was just relageted to only YouTube channels with revenue enabled. Sorry I missed that post you made earlier.

Well this is what Sony will do with the videos created on the PS4, its just Nintendo have done it first. I personally have no problem. You can skip the ad after 5 seconds anyway and if they decided to put a full advert up then just use a blocking tool if thats the way you feel.

SO would you rather they just take the videos down?

Honestly it's like corporations can't even try to turn a profit any more without people going off about how greedy they are. How is it "at the consumer's expense"? Consumers were making money off of Nintendo's games and system, and now Nintendo is making money off of it too. If anything the way it was working was the consumers making money at Nintendo's expense.

Ads just piss me off, especially the ones you can't skip. I get enough ads on TV and radio. The Internet was once relatively add free or at least ads had very little intrusion ...I'm just getting old and cranky I guess and I hate change. I've been watching the Internet slowly slide downhill for 15 years.

 

[Mikeybc]

Sorry I double posted

 

[Joel]

Download adblock plus. It that simple.

 

[Mikeybc]

Download adblock plus. It that simple.

Thanks, I'll look into that, I figured most of those programs were just glorified pop-up blockers.

 

[Com Fox]

Nintendo should of went out of business years ago so they can go nick off.

I like Nintendo products (Especially the 3DS ) and I think it has got some great games too, so I disagree.

 

[Com Fox]

Well, I only started showing gameplay on Youtube and I'll still show my Mario Kart Double Dash gameplay until I finish it, although I'm not a partner so I don't think it's important..

 

[RVDNuT374]

I agree. It's a wonder people still buy their stuff.

If it wasn't for Mario and Zelda, Nintendo would've died a long time ago.

 

[Spoil-t]

I like Nintendo products (Especially the 3DS ) and I think it has got some great games too, so I disagree.

Nintendo just releases the EXACT SAME THING all the time. The Wii U is just the DS & Wii combined. Next they'll release a DS with a screen that's .000001 inch wider than the previous model & the sheeple will flock to buy it.

 

[Müle]

I agree. It's a wonder people still buy their stuff.

As long as Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, Super Smash Bros., etc., all exist, Nintendo will never die. They could re-release the Gamecube and Game Boy Advance right now, and as long as there were new games from their key franchises, people would still buy them.

 

[Grayfox]

I doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Firefox with Adblock Plus.
It has been a bloody long time since I have seen a youtube ad.

Nintendo just releases the EXACT SAME THING all the time. The Wii U is just the DS & Wii combined. Next they'll release a DS with a screen that's .000001 inch wider than the previous model & the sheeple will flock to buy it.

Same thing with apple.

Make a very minor change, charge fortune and the people will come running.

 

[Com Fox]

Nintendo just releases the EXACT SAME THING all the time. The Wii U is just the DS & Wii combined. Next they'll release a DS with a screen that's .000001 inch wider than the previous model & the sheeple will flock to buy it.

I still have to disagree, I'm a fan of most of there games for their gameplay. Sure the consoles have a similar concept but Sony seem to have done it through PS1 to the PS3 (I can't find any new concepts on the PS3) and then there is the PS Move :yuk:.

I like PS and Nintendo but to me Nintendo has more 1st party games that I like.
Nintendo games I like: Mario, Pokemon, Super Smash Bros, Zelda (Not a huge fan on Zelda but it is fun to play).
Sony games I like: GT, Ratchet & Clank.
Microsoft games I like: Forza.

 

[Pupik]

Once I learned that they aren't doing it to videos with accounts that don't have revenue enabled, I found it extremely difficult to find any problem with it.

Don't try to confuse people with the idea of copyright...

People think once they buy any game/movie/piece of music, that they have the right to redistribute it in any way they wish; an incorrect notion that's existed far before the Internet. Rather than ask for its removal (like many other media firms occasionally do) Nintendo at least offers somewhat of a remedy for the situation.

So, I don't have a problem with Nintendo doing this either. I disagree with the practice with one's own works, but so as long as YouTube hosts it for free, it's no different than many other websites.

 

[dylansan]

I'm extremely doubtful that people are going to just stop LPing Nintendo games.

Those who make a living off youtube Let's Plays (I know quite a few) are going to be far less likely to play a Nintendo game when they can play something else and actually get paid for it. One LPer I know of has said that his Wii U is now going to get much less use.

Let's be real here: 90% of the appeal of your typical Let's Play is the games being showcased; not the person talking into the microphone. That's why there are plenty of examples of Let's Plays where no one says anything at all and just plays through the game. It's the same reason Rifftrax would be irrelevant without the movies that they are formed around.

Maybe some LPs are like that, and I'd agree that those don't particularly deserve revenue anyway, but there are many LPers who put a lot of time and effort into adding their own entertainment to the game, and who essentially make it their goal to avoid just "playing the game."


One argument I've heard, though it's admittedly not perfect, is that the situation is like sports equipment companies getting all the revenue from sports games, not the players. Or maybe whoever invented football should get all the revenue people make from playing it. I find it ridiculous that people who put their own entertainment into their videos shouldn't get paid for it, especially when TV shows like TMZ or heck, sports casts and news casts are essentially doing exactly the same thing: making money by using other people's content.

One other thing that I think is important: the kind of videos you mention where someone just plays a game with no commentary - those are not commonly the type of channels that get enough subscribers to even make money from youtube anyway. It's the ones who add their own experience that bring in viewers and make it possible for ads to reach a wide audience, and thus generate money. As such I think they deserve at least some of it.

 

[Sanji Himura]

This begs the question though, would LP'ers actually see any difference in the amount of income that they receive besides the typical amount that songwriters charge for a cover($.08 per song sold)? Because the way that I read the thread, that is the only thing that is changing by Nintendo putting their ads on the videos.

One might argue that eight cents might not be much, but when your video has 300k views, all of that income quickly adds up.

 

[Keef]

What's wrong with a company trying to earn their fair share of the profits that large Youtube channels are making from their games?

The problem is that those aren't Nintendo's games. Nintendo sold it to somebody else. That person has a right to do whatever with their property as they please. The issue with this story stems from the fact that America's intellectual property rights laws are positively outlandish, virtually to the point where a consumer hardly owns a product but merely leases it from the manufacturer in some cases, usually in regards to electronic media. That's ridiculous.

I believe intellectual property rights should apply to a copy of the original only as far as the first point of sale, whereas the extended period of time should apply only to original, not-for-sale copies because that's the only one that required any honest labor to create.

 

[dylansan]

Wait, are they taking all the profits? Or just adding more ads and taking the profits from those? Because I might be able to be convinced that the latter is alright, though not easily.

 

[Com Fox]

They are taking it all.