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You straightup sound like a *****.
He does not know anything about the car, yet he puts it down in handling (even thought I don't think he has ever driven one), and talks crap about the engine when he doesn't know anything about that either.
Just cause you have an S2000 doesn't give you all the knowledge in the world. You're closer to ricing than me, I'm a Nissan owner, 90% of ricers are Honda owners =/. If you even read my post you would notice I never attacked him because he said "I don't like how the AE86 looks," that's an opinion and I can respect that. But because he said "AE86 is so ugly that u don´t want to drive it," makes me mad cause this guy knows absolutely nothing about the car yet he based the whole car on its looks. I'm saying it's a good drift car and this guy + you are depreciating it for its looks more than performance.
The hachiroku is a great car for beginners and I'm speaking from experience. My friend has a coupe and I can feel it's much easier to drift in that than my 180sx.
I don't like nor hate hachirokus, I just appreciate it. I'm not defending it cause I'm in love with it but because I feel that he's completely wrong yet he might convince others of hating it because of its looks. You don't sound like you know much either so why don't you give it a rest. I mean my god, you drift with a damn controller.
Everyone always talks about appreciating the car. What about it do you exactly appreciate that hasn't been said amillion times while overlooking the downfalls of the car. Yay 2 Rollas chased down a Skyline on a track. So you pit a stock car that weighs over 3000lbs with street tires, against 2 cars that don't weigh nearly that much combined, both heavily modified on A048's or whatever they ran on. Considering the tighter track just puts a stock Skyline at a HUGE disadvantage, that's definately a fair matchup. It's an old weak chassis too. Why should I have to spend the money to reinforce it, spot/seam welding it just to match the rigidity of another car that cost the same with equal or greater potential. 4AGE, I don't deny it's a good motor because it is. But it's nothing special, nothing you can't do with a B/K-Series Honda motor just as easy. There were plenty of Japanese cars in the mid-late 80's using IRS, so why a live-axle? That screams versatillity doesn't it? Consider the average cost of nearly $4000 USD for an iffy condition Corolla, to a $4000 Miata/RX7/240SX. I really doubt him saying "its ugly don't use it" is going to convince someone to not try out the car. EVERYONE knows something about it, there is no persuading people to like or dislike the car. At ths point most peoples minds are already made up. So saying you felt his words would influence people who don't know about it...PLEASE...you'd have to be living under a rock for the last 10 years to not know. Plus theres already tons of other threads in this forum devoted to that specific car. All cars have their flaws, but where it lacks in certain areas is where I make my decision of a good car in my eyes. I say what I say based on what I see. Everyone chooses to see one side better than the other. It's a decent car, average at best to me.
Where is it that you tell me why it's such a great car instead of saying I know nothing just because I said it's ugly, or that because I drive a nice car I know nothing. I never said I knew everything, but I take into account what I do know and form my OWN opinions. If I cared about how my cars looked I wouldn't have driven my Civic around primered for 3 months. Or driven my Miata around with a way dented up hood and driver side fender with majorly curb checked rims. I had a 240SX for awhile too, and I didn't think it was all that great either. So I'm a ricer cause I drive a Honda? Ricers aren't people who modify their cars against the latest trends like "drift style" or "VIP style," they're the people who feel the need to attack someone else for what they prefer for no logical reason. I don't like Corollas for a distinct reason, it's a decent car, but not for the cost to make it perform up to the standards of other affordable tuner cars. I have alot more respect for people in the show scene these days than the majority of people who call themselves "drifters." Atleast the people in the show scene know what they're after and where they want to go with it. New age drifters will get over it and move on to whatever the next JDM crap trend is. Maybe it'll be vanning, I really hope it is vanning for the sake of everyone realizing what retards they've turned into being JDM TYTE. I don't defend what InZan3 has to say, because the way that he said it. But you can't justify saying he doesn't know anything based on his opinion of the car. So where's the part where you respect his opinion, I sure don't see it. I can respect someones opinion if they can give me a straight and reasonable answer. All I got from you is "My friend has one, I feel its easier to drift." So tell me why YOU think it's a great car compared to other popular starter cars. My friends have had em, my brother had one, I've driven em. There's a reason it's HAD one. You speak from your personal experience and I speak from mine. What does this have to do with GT4? Everything since we're now mingling the actual cars and the game.
And who cares if I use a controller, plenty of people here still do. So I don't have the full simulation experience with a DFP...DFP is a HORRIBLE simulation for drifting. The only real reason I'd want a DFP is so I could actually tell where in my countersteer I actually am rather then approximating. So this is where you tell me why the DFP is a superior drift simulation other than the fact that you're turning a wheel, because other than that, the feel is WAY WAY WAYYYYY off. The only thing the DFP is good at simulating are the steering wheel feel characterstics of FWD and AWD understeer.
I am a *****, but it comes with having your own opinions about things...
I don't want to turn this into a flame-fest. I just want to know why everyone "appreciates" it so much with some clear and logical reasoning. I can respect the car, I just can't respect everyones reasoning behind liking it so much without clear reason. Because I mostly see everyones fascination with this car based off everyone elses opinions and not their own. It's how this whole forums is. Every thread about suspension tuning someone has to regurgitate something that's already been said, but they don't elaborate or explain anything about the concept. Explain what you're saying, or there's not point in saying it...
I just hated the fact there were no subtitles...I couldn't understand one word they said except for "GT-R" and "Hachi Roku" haha...Great clip though...See guys, you don't need high hp for a nice car...Ask 86 Hondakiller, he has a 140 hp 86 in the game that kicks my ass with a 300 hp s2k...It's a shame 
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