Nissan to show new NISMO model at Chicago Auto Show

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RocZX
1. The Versa 370Z Roadster is basically the same thing as the Note 370Z coupe , why make a concept car if they already have a production version of it ?
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While that sucks, I was hoping for something different. Something that hasn't been done before would have been a lot cooler.
 
RocZX
While that sucks, I was hoping for something different. Something that hasn't been done before would have been a lot cooler.
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Yeah. Nice of them to announce it, build the hype, then show us something that won't sell.
 
I dont even think they will make it. since its a design study and the Z34 on its last legs.. I think this might just say the NISMO Z of the future could one day be offered as a coupe and vert. the intro of the NOTE NISMO would have been more practical and might have gotten some buyers in the Fiesta ST market

I guess based on the theory the Z35 is coming a year after the Q60 so they could squeeze it in next year but why bother..this car would be almost 60K which is outrageous. I looked at a 2015 NISMO Z as a daily driver last week. damn thing was 48K.... nope
 
I thought, it would be something more exciting than a coupe based roadster with go-faster parts. This was unexpected, but in kind of a dull way.
 
mustafur
Can the 370Z die already? It feels like the dinosaurs were around when it came out.
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It's practically high-time for the Z34 series to end and make way for the Z35.

It would've been nice to see another variant of the IDX or something like an Altima NISMO or a Versa Note NISMO... But a Z34 NISMO Roadster? Meh.
 
Grandea GTR
It's practically high-time for the Z34 series to end and make way for the Z35.

It would've been nice to see another variant of the IDX or something like an Altima NISMO or a Versa Note NISMO... But a Z34 NISMO Roadster? Meh.
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If they put the 3.7 in the Altima slapped on some AWD and a Nismo kit, then people might not yawn.
 
I was going to ask does the Z roadster even sell? Its about $70k AUD and I only see less than a handful 370 coupes here.
 
I bet the only reason they built this car was because they needed something to show in Chicago and had the parts laying around from the Nismo coupe, so they just slapped them on and shipped it to the show.
 
Keef
Say whaaaaaaat???
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Z sales, 2002-2014

350z:
2002
13,253
2003
36,728
2004
30,690
2005
27,278
2006
24,635
2007
18,957
2008
10,337

370z:
2009
13,117
2010
10,215
2011
7328
2012
7338
2013
6561
2014
7199

The z33, even it's worst year, sold more units than every year of the z34 apart from the z34's introductory year, in the USA. The Z33, at it's best, sold about 3x more than the Z34 at it's best. Adjust for inflation, the prices are about the same. The recession explains some of it, but not all of it. For reference, Subaru and Scion moved around 26,000 ZN6's in 2013 and 22,000 in 2014. About triple the Z34's sales both years. I think the Z34 is caught in a weird place. People who want a tossable, simple sports car are seeming to go with the ZN6 and people who want something fast are overwhelmingly choosing the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. The new Mustang almost makes the Z34 obsolete. Same price for more than 100 additional ponies and just as much, if not more chassis sophistication. The engine of the Mustang blows the 370z's out of the water, it's not even close. Remember when the 350z debuted, it actually had more power than the contemporary Mustang GT. It was essentially a muscle-sports car.

The Z34 has a murky ethos at the moment. It's sort of a benign muscle coupe, it's edginess blunted over time with few, if any, superlatives. The ZN6 and NC are more fun. The Impreza and GTI have become nearly as fast and are far more practical. The Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger are considerably faster. The Z35, in my opinion, needs to be more precise about what it is.

Personally, and in keeping with (some of) the Z's history, I'd like to see the Z35 at around the same power level, but at the weight of the ZN6. A sort of Bruce Lee with wheels. Light and powerful. I think that's a good ethos for the Z. Right now it's sort of an aging middleweight boxer.
 
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Eunos_Cosmo
The engine of the Mustang blows the 370z's out of the water, it's not even close.
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Whoa now. The Z's engine might be old and not so fuel efficent, but the VQ is a damn good engine. It didn't appear on the 10 best engine list 15 times (7 times for 3.5 & 3.7L) for no reason. And it's still going strong. The revised 3.5 in the new Maxima is a monster. And they're getting like 350hp out of the 3.7 now? The VQ will always be one of my favorite engines, and it's certainly no slouch compared to the 3.7 in the Mustang.
 
R1600Turbo
Whoa now. The Z's engine might be old and not so fuel efficent, but the VQ is a damn good engine. It didn't appear on the 10 best engine list 15 times (7 times for 3.5 & 3.7L) for no reason. And it's still going strong. The revised 3.5 in the new Maxima is a monster. And they're getting like 350hp out of the 3.7 now? The VQ will always be one of my favorite engines, and it's certainly no slouch compared to the 3.7 in the Mustang.
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I find the NVH to be pretty bad, and I'm not alone. Mind you, I think the FA20 (BR-Z/FR-S) is worse.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
Z sales, 2002-2014

350z:
2002
13,253
2003
36,728
2004
30,690
2005
27,278
2006
24,635
2007
18,957
2008
10,337

370z:
2009
13,117
2010
10,215
2011
7328
2012
7338
2013
6561
2014
7199

The z33, even it's worst year, sold more units than every year of the z34 apart from the z34's introductory year, in the USA. The Z33, at it's best, sold about 3x more than the Z34 at it's best. Adjust for inflation, the prices are about the same. The recession explains some of it, but not all of it. For reference, Subaru and Scion moved around 26,000 ZN6's in 2013 and 22,000 in 2014. About triple the Z34's sales both years. I think the Z34 is caught in a weird place. People who want a tossable, simple sports car are seeming to go with the ZN6 and people who want something fast are overwhelmingly choosing the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. The new Mustang almost makes the Z34 obsolete. Same price for more than 100 additional ponies and just as much, if not more chassis sophistication. The engine of the Mustang blows the 370z's out of the water, it's not even close. Remember when the 350z debuted, it actually had more power than the contemporary Mustang GT. It was essentially a muscle-sports car.

The Z34 has a murky ethos at the moment. It's sort of a benign muscle coupe, it's edginess blunted over time with few, if any, superlatives. The ZN6 and NC are more fun. The Impreza and GTI have become nearly as fast and are far more practical. The Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger are considerably faster. The Z35, in my opinion, needs to be more precise about what it is.

Personally, and in keeping with (some of) the Z's history, I'd like to see the Z35 at around the same power level, but at the weight of the ZN6. A sort of Bruce Lee with wheels. Light and powerful. I think that's a good ethos for the Z. Right now it's sort of an aging middleweight boxer.
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I'm a fan of the Z, but you're on to something here. I think it's something that's happened a few times for a variety of Japanese manufacturers, too: they release a car to much fanfare, but don't update it as often as needed to keep on pace with the competition. Look at the STI/Evo: they were the everyday heros a decade ago, but the hot hatches have caught up and made them obsolete, to the point the Golf R has the STI's number in every way. The Z33 showed up when the Camaro had died, and the Mustang was still underpowered. Even when the '05 Mustang popped up, the Z still had it outgunned on power and handling, but Ford's goal of being a cut-price M3 pushed the 'Stang's development past what the Z, in either Z33 or Z34 guise, could muster. I imagine the Z34 isn't cross-shopped with the Z4 or SLK all that much, either.
 
SlipZtrEm
I'm a fan of the Z, but you're on to something here. I think it's something that's happened a few times for a variety of Japanese manufacturers, too: they release a car to much fanfare, but don't update it as often as needed to keep on pace with the competition. Look at the STI/Evo: they were the everyday heros a decade ago, but the hot hatches have caught up and made them obsolete, to the point the Golf R has the STI's number in every way. The Z33 showed up when the Camaro had died, and the Mustang was still underpowered. Even when the '05 Mustang popped up, the Z still had it outgunned on power and handling, but Ford's goal of being a cut-price M3 pushed the 'Stang's development past what the Z, in either Z33 or Z34 guise, could muster. I imagine the Z34 isn't cross-shopped with the Z4 or SLK all that much, either.
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The Z34 doesn't really have a direct competitor I don't think. The Genesis coupe is somewhat close, but that car barely sells at all. I don't dislike the Z34, but the Z35 needs to be a lot better.
 
Well I hear it's supposed to be smaller, and offer several engine choices. So a nice smaller, lighter Z with a turbo-4 might not be too far off. It's the least Nissan can do for scrubbing any plans to produce the IDx.
 
R1600Turbo
Well I hear it's supposed to be smaller, and offer several engine choices. So a nice smaller, lighter Z with a turbo-4 might not be too far off. It's the least Nissan can do for scrubbing any plans to produce the IDx.
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If it were to use something similar to the DIG-T engine from the Juke, but more powerful that would seem nice.

Would be weird to hear the name "180Z" or "180ZX" though.
 
R1600Turbo
Well I hear it's supposed to be smaller, and offer several engine choices. So a nice smaller, lighter Z with a turbo-4 might not be too far off. It's the least Nissan can do for scrubbing any plans to produce the IDx.
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Was the idx scrubbed? Last I read it was confirmed for 2016 production... But that was awhile ago.

You'd think Nissan would be smart to have something compete against the 86, half the price of a Z.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
I think the Z34 is caught in a weird place. People who want a tossable, simple sports car are seeming to go with the ZN6 and people who want something fast are overwhelmingly choosing the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. The new Mustang almost makes the Z34 obsolete. Same price for more than 100 additional ponies and just as much, if not more chassis sophistication. The engine of the Mustang blows the 370z's out of the water, it's not even close. Remember when the 350z debuted, it actually had more power than the contemporary Mustang GT. It was essentially a muscle-sports car.
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You're right about this but there is another problem. The Z33 is still an excellent car. It's not as nice as the Z34 and it doesn't quite perform as well but it's basically half the price for more than enough performance. There are a lot of people out there looking for a decent sports car - looking for a Z34 - but there's no sense in spending the money when you can get a pristine Z33 and be totally satisfied. Nissan's own used market is poaching Z34 sales, the main reason being that the Z34 isn't that much better than the previous car. This is yet another reason that can be added to your list.

Personally, and in keeping with (some of) the Z's history, I'd like to see the Z35 at around the same power level, but at the weight of the ZN6. A sort of Bruce Lee with wheels. Light and powerful. I think that's a good ethos for the Z. Right now it's sort of an aging middleweight boxer.
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But what about the potential for a different small Nissan sports car? Can Nissan justify turning the Z35 upscale and into a Boxter/Cayman/TTS/M2 competitor? I realize that magazines already shove it into those comparos but realistically nobody is cross-shopping a Nissan and a Porsche or BMW.
 
Pubs16
Was the idx scrubbed? Last I read it was confirmed for 2016 production... But that was awhile ago.

You'd think Nissan would be smart to have something compete against the 86, half the price of a Z.
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Don't expect it anytime soon, if at all. This is where the smaller, Inline-4 powered Z could come in. Make up for the lack of IDx and compete with the 86.
Grandea GTR
If it were to use something similar to the DIG-T engine from the Juke, but more powerful that would seem nice.

Would be weird to hear the name "180Z" or "180ZX" though.
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2.0T that they are currently using in the Q50 would be my bet.
 
I feel the Z33s engine evolution started too big. I understand(as an example)a 4.3L is classified as a big six. Plus, I understand this was all about the Front Mid Engine engineering for Nissan/Infiniti, but going from a 3LTT then starting with the 3.5(more power than the TT with revisions), Nissan should have reset with a 2.4 V6. I do hope as @R1600Turbo points out, the engine sizes drop.
 
yeah me too. I put the Fairlady badge on my 03 Z with all the NISMO S-Tune gear...but left it as is on my 07 factory NISMO Z
 

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