No Love For The Oldies?

[tupacrulez]

Upgrade the 426 Charger with a modern suspension, and slicks, and it'd smoke the Modernized nissan he posted on the road tracks too.

oh, and for the record STJ: i am not a huge American car guy. I'm a dodge guy, at best. My true car fetish is Porsche's. That said, American cars do alot more for me than asian cars.

 

[STJ88]

and it'd smoke the Modernized nissan he posted on the road tracks too.

1/4 mile, yes, oval, yes. Track, wats wrong with you. GTR on fuji

 

[mustangGT90210]

The Japanese raced on fuji speedway and other track's in the 60's and 70's. they didn't do oval's and drag.

And Muscle Cars would beat them there too.

Oh wow, a GT-R can race Fuji

 

[STJ88]

I really can't wait for GT5 to be out. Then we can compare the times of the KPGC10 to your beloved muscle cars.

 

[McLaren]

I really can't wait for GT5 to be out. Then we can compare the times of the KPGC10 to your beloved muscle cars.

You want to rely on the game to prove which would be faster.

 

[Jim Prower]

agreed. Not only that, why wait? He can get GT4 and do it right now!!!

 

[Jay]

Granted , the engines are of different era's , but the point of it was , he's bragging 2.0 Japanese muscle , several others are talking V-8 American muscle . Sorry I did not post a pic of a 2.0 carbureted engine from 1970 , but my point was to show , which would you rather have under the hood ? Any-ways , that Chrysler hemi would still smoke that modernized 2.0 Nissan in the 1/4 mile and on an oval !!!!!!!!! BTW , the Aussie stuff is really cool ,nice pics.

Yes but the fact is you still choose the one of the weakest Japanese economy engines you could find against one of the strongest American high perfomance engines.

Which would I prefer? I wouldn't want a RB20E (engine you posted) in any car frankly. but if we are talking about proper high performance 2.0's it depends on the car it is going into.


Just so you know I am not defending Japanese cars or Muscle cars, I love both (aswell as Euro) and own both in real life.

 

[RACECAR]

I really can't wait for GT5 to be out. Then we can compare the times of the KPGC10 to your beloved muscle cars.

lol, I love how you want to prove to us how much better japanese cars are with a game (ironically enough, a Japanese game) instead of a real performance testing. This leads me to believe that you have not driven any Muscle car or Japanese car, along with the fact that you still ignorantly make your comments with half truths and falsehoods.

 

[Nicksfix]

I really can't wait for GT5 to be out. Then we can compare the times of the KPGC10 to your beloved muscle cars.

Are you that hard up , that you have to rely on a video game to try to prove a point of yours that is totally off the wall , WOW. You even stated that American muscle machines would take you in the 1/4 mile,you also stated that American muscle machines would take you in an oval , what more is there to prove other than a road race , (SCCA Trans-Am style) ,which is very questionable from your standpoint as far as which could be more dominant.Just a little tid-bit here for your info. , lets say - a stock 1970 LS6 - 454 Chevelle , or a stock 426 hemi powered Mopar , or a stock 429 Cobra Jet Mustang , they were all capable of running 11's in the 1/4 mile , ( thats stock ) right off the showroom floor !!!!!! . Take it home,do some minor mods to either one , take it to the track , and presto , your in the 10's !!!! Can your little 2.0 do that ? NOT . These cars were capable of running 130 + mph on an oval,(in stock condition),can your 2.0 do that ? , NOT. Now , who makes a faster car. As far as road racing goes your 2.0 may be dominant in it's class , but up against a Mustang,Camaro,'Cuda it's no contest. VIPERGTS01 and others , I apologize to all who mis-understood the picture thing . OK, it should have been a picture of a 2.0 racing engine. It was directed at STJ88 to show what he is missing out on , a 2.0 - 4cyl. -VS- a pure muscle motor,there is no comparison as far as performance goes and I was hoping he would realize this by just physically seeing this. He is still convinced his little " muscle 2.0 machine " can take out a purebred American muscle car , IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN .Maybe , just maybe , when he's playing GT5,(when it comes out ) and he's driving his powerhouse,he may come up against a noob in a classic American muscle car and beat him , that will be the only time , but not in real life , sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Just a little tid-bit here for your info. , lets say - a stock 1970 LS6 - 454 Chevelle , or a stock 426 hemi powered Mopar , or a stock 429 Cobra Jet Mustang , they were all capable of running 11's in the 1/4 mile , ( thats stock ) right off the showroom floor !!!!!! . Take it home,do some minor mods to either one , take it to the track , and presto , your in the 10's !!!!

Let's not get ridiculous here...

 

[tupacrulez]

agreed. the 426 Charger ran mid-high 13's stock, IIRC.

 

[STJ88]

a 2.0 - 4cyl. -VS- a pure muscle motor,there is no comparison as far as performance goes and I was hoping he would realize this by just physically seeing this. He is still convinced his little " muscle 2.0 machine " can take out a purebred American muscle car

It ain't a 4cyl but a I6. The charger 426 weighs 1840KG thats 740KG more than the KPGC10. Combine that with a 7.0 cast iron V8 in the front and drum brakes. That thing doesn't stande a chance against the KPGC10, I would like to see that charger take bends and stop on tsukuba.

 

[McLaren]

Yeah, let's challenge it on a track that I guarantee you know is more suited to lighter cars than heavy, high horsepower cars regardless of whether they're American or Japanese.

Let's pick a track where neither car has an advantage, please.

 

[Encyclopedia]

And the Japanese vs. American war continues.

 

[STJ88]

Yeah, let's challenge it on a track that I guarantee you know is more suited to lighter cars than heavy, high horsepower cars regardless of whether they're American or Japanese.

Let's pick a track where neither car has an advantage, please.

Fuji would be a advantage voor the charger's horse power. Nurburgring would be fair for both.

 

[Nicksfix]

Why does it always have to be the heavier Dodge Charger(granted it's fast) , but how about the Camaro Z-28 or SS , a Nova , a Ford Mustang GT-350 or 500 or a Shelby version , Mercury Cougar , a 'Cuda , Challenger , AMX , I do believe these are muscle cars as well ,but we can stay with the Charger if you like , you'll still get beat.Lets do 3 tests : (1) standing 1/4 mile (pro tree) (2) top speed-( oval ) or ( Bonneville Salt Flats ) (3) road course . Dude , you can't win , we are all trying to help you with this , not rag on you . Once again , in it's time and in it's class, your KPGC10 2.0 probably was a contender , but not against the likes of a purebred V-8 muscle car

 

[mustangGT90210]

I really can't wait for GT5 to be out. Then we can compare the times of the KPGC10 to your beloved muscle cars.

I'm gonna go run some laps at Fuji, Grand Valley and then 1 lap for each on the Nurburgring, which I suck at. To make you feel better, I'll use your KPC thing 2nd everytime so any place I pick up time in the Charger R/T I can transfer to the KPC, and then it will still behind. The runs will be made on N3 tires, in Gran Turismo 4 and the cars will be completely stock.

*GT4 has understeer heavy physics, further exagerating bad muscle car handling. I'll make another post soon with the lap times.

 

[nick09]

I would like to see the BUICK Special '62 in the game as it was one of my favorites in GT4.

 

[homeforsummer]

And the Japanese vs. American war continues.

+1

There wouldn't be a war without all the closed-minded fanboys...

 

[mustangGT90210]

SJT88, you're about to get owned. On N3 tires, which are the today equivalent of Summer Tires, I believe, you're beloved KPGC10 just got killed in every respect.

Fuji Speedway 80's
1970 Charger R/T : 1 minute, 37.806 seconds
1971 Skyline GTR (KPGC10): 1 minute, 43.501 seconds

Grand Valley Speedway
1970 Charger R/T : 2 minutes, 19.905 seconds
1971 Skyline GTR (KPGC10): 2 minutes, 27.567 seconds

Nurburgring
1970 Charger R/T : 8 minutes, 54.5 seconds
1971 Skyline GTR (KPGC10): 9 minutes, 25.869 seconds.

So you wanted game proof of which is faster, here it is. That skyline is not and will never be, in stock trim, faster than a 1970 Dodge Charger R/T, which was hardly the pinnacle of muscle cars. Now please take your god damn fanboyism to another forum, open your mind up, or just take a hint, look at facts, and shut your damn mouth.

 

[STJ88]

So you wanted game proof of which is faster, here it is. That skyline is not and will never be, in stock trim, faster than a 1970 Dodge Charger R/T, which was hardly the pinnacle of muscle cars.

Ok you wore wright. But the GT-R ain't no pinnacle of JDM cars. But there are hardly any muscle cars faster than the charger R/T, only the super bird and 454SS.

 

[Dave A]

I'd have thought that there were a lot of muscle cars that were faster on a track than the Charger R/T. Maybe in top speed the Charger was quickest or thereabouts, but I should think it almost certainly wasn't the fastest on a track.

 

[Greycap]

Ok you wore wright. But the GT-R ain't no pinnacle of JDM cars. But there are hardly any muscle cars faster than the charger R/T, only the super bird and 454SS.

Not the pinnacle, huh? How about this one from last Thursday:

You realy know very little about cars like the KPGC110 GT-R, if you say something like this. The KPGC110 only weights 1100KG and has a high reving 2.0 dohc with fuel injection and all round disc brakes. it even has a 5 speed transmission, all this on a car from 1970.

From 1968-1972 the KPGC10 won 50 race's, of wich 49 in a row.

First you tried to say it's pretty much the best car of the seventies. Now when you're being schooled big time you turn the coat totally and say it's nothing spectacular (apparently those victories suddenly mean nothing) in a desperate attempt to save your own hide. You just got owned and badly at that. Deal with it.

 

[tupacrulez]

the 426 in game weighs the same, and has more power, IIRC.

Hell, Ill do the test on N1 tires, no driver aids. So go ahead, and pick the Pinnacle of old (IE: 75 or older) JDM cars. Save for the Toyota 7, since it was a one off. I'll match it against a similar American car.

 

[STJ88]

First you tried to say it's pretty much the best car of the seventies. Now when you're being schooled big time you turn the coat totally and say it's nothing spectacular (apparently those victories suddenly mean nothing) in a desperate attempt to save your own hide. You just got owned and badly at that. Deal with it.

Technologie wise the GTR was the pinnacle of the 70's. All those features like fuel injection, disc brakes, DOHC and a 5MT. Woulden't be seen on a Amercan car before the begin 80's.

Hell, Ill do the test on N1 tires, no driver aids. So go ahead, and pick the Pinnacle of old (IE: 75 or older) JDM cars. Save for the Toyota 7, since it was a one off. I'll match it against a similar American car.

Toyota 2000GT, fairlady Z432R, Prince R380.

 

[Nicksfix]

All those features like fuel injection, disc brakes, DOHC and a 5MT. Woulden't be seen on a Amercan car before the begin 80's.
.

1965 Corvette - fuel injected,with disc brakes. Technically fuel injection on an American car started in a 1957 Chevrolet Belair,disc brakes appeared on an American car in 1949 - Chrysler Imperial ( 1980's huh )

 

[tupacrulez]

^trufe.

My grandfather and father both mention that you could get fuel injection on cars as early as the late fifties, as an option. It wasn't cheap, but you could get it.

And I'll run you cars STJ, against american muscle. I think a vette vs the 2000gt, 426 charger vs the Fairlady, and another appropriate example I can't currently think of vs the Prince.

 

[mustangGT90210]

Ok you wore wright. But the GT-R ain't no pinnacle of JDM cars. But there are hardly any muscle cars faster than the charger R/T, only the super bird and 454SS.

I'll give you that. And I'll tell you another thing, in game, the GT-R was worlds easier to drive, had a higher top speed, and even felt faster. It didn't translate to it winning, but it was a much more modern driving experience.

The Charger R/T really is a middle of the road car in my mind, theres a bunch that are faster mainly due to gearing. The Charger was capped at 121 mph.

Please don't bring a Toyota 2000GT(?) into this mix, it's slower than that GT-R. I think we can see that in stock trim the Japanese "muscle" is slower than american muscle, but after you go to serious, replace everything, hardcore race car tuning, that GT-R should be faster.

 

[STJ88]

The KPGC10 is a good car, but under powerd is shore is.

The Prince R380 and Nissan R380/II were pretty fast, the R380II had a top speed of 250km/h. But i don't know if there ever were any street version's made.

 

[mustangGT90210]

I never doubt Racecars when it comes to doing everything well.