North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un

In other news, Dennis Rodman apparently gave Kim Jong-un a copy of Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal as a gift.

It's all becoming so clear now:
1. Get Trump elected
2. Give a copy of the book to Kim
3. Let him read it
4. Kim imitates Trump's style
5. Trump is removed from office
6. Trump's style ruins North Korea
7. Crisis averted!
 
The kid was a blubbering and crying uncontrollably at his "trial". I have a feeling he was no better off later. I get the feeling a guard may have put a plastic bag over his head to shut him up.
 
Getting the crap beaten out of you daily also gives you brain damage. Wouldn't be surprised if they hook this kid up to a car battery and wailed on him for months at a time.
 
Omnis
Getting the crap beaten out of you daily also gives you brain damage. Wouldn't be surprised if they hook this kid up to a car battery and wailed on him for months at a time.
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All of which would leave signs of physical trauma. Even healed, the doctors would be able to identify it. Don't you think we would have heard about it if he had been brutalised?
 
Omnis
Getting the crap beaten out of you daily also gives you brain damage. Wouldn't be surprised if they hook this kid up to a car battery and wailed on him for months at a time.
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....Not to make a light of the situation for the poor kid, but something tells me that NK operatives weren't actively trying to recreate the scenes of the godawful Die Another Day music video here.

Maybe Dennis can find out what happened over a cup of Soju. I hear the drink's got a bit of a bite...
 
prisonermonkeys
Especially when all they had to do was play the song on repeat.
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...Was the released kid named Noriega?

Okay, in all seriousness, though - if he weren't gravely ill, I'd wager NK wouldn't have released him. Well, maybe, if U.S coughed up the dough then yeah, he would have come home eventually, but his medical condition most likely precipitated his departure from the Hermit Kingdom.
 
The student hostage who was recently sent home from NK prison has passed away.
All this over a poster... I have some very choice words I'd like to say...
 
....While I am sad about the passing, I can't help but wonder about the implications of this latest turn of events.

Can the family of Warmbier (was that his name? Correct me if I spelled it wrong) sue NK for the negligent death? Will Kim Jong-un give a damn? How will the US administration spin this? How will NK media spin this?!
 
prisonermonkeys
All of which would leave signs of physical trauma. Even healed, the doctors would be able to identify it. Don't you think we would have heard about it if he had been brutalised?
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Don't you think we would've heard about it if we knew North Korea developed VX nerve agent? You can have a cranial injuries that heal but nevertheless cause an internal bleed. I'm curious about what exactly his CT showed, assuming they did one stateside. That said, the bastards have demonstrated that they'll use any means to achieve an end. Who knows what horrors this kid had to endure. Who knows what kind of drugs or chemicals they exposed him to.
 
Omnis
Who knows what horrors this kid had to endure. Who knows what kind of drugs or chemicals they exposed him to.
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And until such time as we do know, assuming that he was gets us nowhere. Like I said, every foreign prisoner that the North has released has been in reasonably good health. None of them have claimed exposure to any sort of chemical agent. If the North did abuse a foreign prisoner - especially an American - they would be risking a war.

I'm not defending the North by any means. Like I said, they have no problem brutalising their own people. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion that this kid died because he was abused, but what we know doesn't support that to the point of ruling everything else out. An accidental overdose could have caused his injuries, just as the North Koreans said. We won't know for sure without an autopsy.

Update:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...ishes-sleeping-pill-explanation-death/8633730

North Korea's explanation for the death was that he took a sleeping pill and ended up in a coma.

US doctors who examined him appeared to disagree with that account but could not pinpoint what caused it.

They could find no evidence of him being mistreated but said he appeared to have extensive brain damage caused by a prolonged loss of blood flow to the brain.
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Yeah, I hear you. I just wouldn't put it past him being the first foreign abused prisoner, even though it's highly unlikely. Perhaps he tried to asphyxiate himself in a failed suicide attempt. That fits with the autopsy, unless he didn't have any signs of strangulation or garroting, etc. Who knows.
 
Ok, here is my crazy hypothesis.

He had no evidence of organ, oxygen deprivation damage except for his brain. That means his head had to be isolated from the rest of his body, and singled out.

Suppose someone used a blood pressure cuff, wrapped it around his neck and pumped it up just enough to make him pass out. But then went a little to far.

There would be no ligature marks. And only his brain was damaged. A cardiac event would have damaged everything.
 
prisonermonkeys
It would likely cause damage to the capilliaries and tendons in his neck.
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Damage to tendons, yes the school teacher says damage to tendons. I guess we should believe the kid's head exploded all by it's self.

If you want, please describe, how the soft pressure of something like an inflatable cuff could cause such damage.

It is clear that they did something to this kid. He does not appear to be physically harmed. Just brain damaged. I am just guessing...
Chrunch Houston
my crazy hypothesis
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It seems that his brain was deprived of oxygen, but no other organs show the same damage. I can't think of any other thing that would have caused that other than some form of strangulation.
 
Chrunch Houston
It is clear that they did something to this kid.
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No, it is clear that something happened to him. We don't know if that something was done to him or if it was an accident. Until then, accusing a foreign power of murdering one of your citizens is irresponsible to say the least.
 
What is clear is that North Korea's explanation of how he got into a coma doesn't add up with what the doctors in the US are saying. Pointing the finger at them is entirely reasonable until they can give a better explanation.
 
What I don't get is why the DPRK didn't even bother to inform his family or anyone else for that matter that he was even in a coma (for over a year), let alone consider releasing him on compassionate/health grounds - hell, if the UK/Scotland can release the flaming Lockerbie bomber (only to see him miraculously survive for over two and a half years after his release), then is it too much to expect that a student arrested for nothing more than high jinx be shown the slightest compassion? Clearly it was. Whether or not they murdered him, their behaviour is still reprehensible and at just about every possible juncture where they could have shown the slightest bit of common sense or humanity, they failed to do so - hence it would not surprise me in the slightest if their 'sleeping pill' story is a crock.
 
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Touring Mars
What I don't get is why the DPRK didn't even bother to inform his family or anyone else for that matter that he was even in a coma (for over a year)
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It's a regime that can vanish people without a trace and subject them to provenly inhumane imprisonment, torture and interrogation. They make no bones about that - it's essential for their security, or so we're told. Now one of their citizens has suffered a similar fate in North Korea.
 
I haven't followed this story closely but if you're looking for something that could cause oxygen deprivation without certain other types of physical trauma, would a gas chamber be a possibility? Not that I'm suggesting that happened, just exploring hypotheses.
 
Conformation
I haven't followed this story closely but if you're looking for something that could cause oxygen deprivation without certain other types of physical trauma, would a gas chamber be a possibility? Not that I'm suggesting that happened, just exploring hypotheses.
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Maybe. But that would leave evidence of the gas used to put him in a coma to begin with. If they were to use said chamber to introduce CO2, then it would leave no trace.
 

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