Not Touching Time Trials....EVER!!!!!

[light driver]

Again I think they should never have introduced SRF in the series in the first place, because look the trouble it has caused. Those who grew up or chose not to use SRF will have become much more skilled and confident, while those who relied on it now feel like they are being punished. It's a shame.

Hmmm I`m not sure if I´m right about what I´m going to say...lets see...You use the phrase "introduced SRF..." hmm did they? - As far as I know "SRF" was "introduced" in GT5Prologue under the name "Standard" (There were two sets of driving physics; "Standard" and "Proffessional" - "Standard" was - SRF, it just had another name..."Proffessional" was - SRF off) Then GT5 came, and the name SRF ducked up...So far so good...

But what was it like BEFORE GT5Prologue??? GT4??? I have occassionally played a little GT4, but only a little, and I don`t really recall what it was like...And thats why I can`t be sure about this, but I THINK that GT4 had relatively easygoing driving physics. And "SRF" in some kind were ON, just without a name, and without the option to switch it off...

So my point is (and I`m not sure I`m right) that they really did not "introduce" SRF...Instead they "introduced" a new option, namely the "Proffessional" or "SRF OFF" option. - An option to make it much, much harder to drive, NOT an option to make it easier to drive...This means (if I`m right) that they could have kept the good old driving physics "Standard" or "SRF" without the option to make driving more difficult by switching those off, and nobody would have complained, as it was there always, and didn`t have a name, and couldn`t be switched off...

Am i right about this??? Those of You who have GT4 experience will know. Was it harder to drive GT4 than GT6 with SRF switched ON? If it was, I`m wrong...

If GT4 was about equal to GT6 with SRF switched OFF I`m wrong...

BUT if GT4 was as easy as GT6 with SRF switched ON - then I`m spot on right...And then it is the option to switch SRF OFF that is new, not SRF itself...The only new thing is the name SRF that was introduced in GT5... So You GT4-experienced people out there, You hold the answer, I`m just guessing, because my own GT4 experience is a small one, and hard to remember...Tell if I`m wrong or right...

 

[Hastatus]

@light driver : You ask a very interesting question. 👍 In my opinion driving in GT4 was harder than driving in GT5 with SRF on. At least it felt that way to me with a DS2/DS3. I think it is very difficult to judge the difficulty of games with so many years in between and PD's changing physics engines. I'm pretty sure I needed plenty of throttle control in GT4, whereas you do not need very much of it with SRF turned on in GT5. I know that the license tests in GT4 were extremely challenging. I know that when I played GT5 I also thought SRF was ridiculously easy. I didn't touch Prologue so I can't comment on the difference between Standard and Professional and their relationship to SRF.

 

[light driver]

@light driver : You ask a very interesting question. 👍 In my opinion driving in GT4 was harder than driving in GT5 with SRF on. At least it felt that way to me with a DS2/DS3. I think it is very difficult to judge the difficulty of games with so many years in between and PD's changing physics engines. I'm pretty sure I needed plenty of throttle control in GT4, whereas you do not need very much of it with SRF turned on in GT5. I know that the license tests in GT4 were extremely challenging. I know that when I played GT5 I also thought SRF was ridiculously easy. I didn't touch Prologue so I can't comment on the difference between Standard and Professional and their relationship to SRF.

OK thanks for a quicq answer. This issue has puzzled me for a long time. Comparing two differnt sets of driving physics with 10 years between them is difficult, but it should be possible to compare "easyness" somehow. How much did one crash in GT4 compared to GT5/6, something like that. So You think GT4 was more difficult than GT5/6 with SRF ON...OK...Would be wonderfull with more replies...hmm..

About the difficulty of the License tests: Yes I heard that before, but there is a logical explenation to that. - In GT4 (and GT5) license tests were something You could try out, if You wanted, whereas in GT6 You HAVE to do them in order to go through the game. So they had to make them easy in GT6, else only a few people would advance through the game...

 

[sailworksman]

ASM maybe. Fictional SRF no.

 

[FSportIS]

With most events, I dont aim for 1st place in the world.

Just enough time to get gold, then I just move on to the next event.

View attachment 219885
Now this is as close as your gonna get it.


If your having issues, try another car, if you tried all your cars but cant get gold, look at what the world leaders are using.

GSX-R/4
NSX-R LM Concept.
ect.

In my mind, you are #1 in the world because it is ridiculously hard to match the exact timing with such 0.000 precision like this. You do it like a boss!

 

[332i]

Good to see aids are being used at the top in the 550pp seasonal as well. Same old song and dance from here on out it seems. Still blows my mind that the same people flip flop as to whether asm makes them faster or not. Oh, it made me .4 or .6 faster here, but not there. Bull. You could potentially pull 50-100 people out of the top 300 backwards by nearly a half second, due to ASM. Not for certain, because sure, it may not make everyone faster, but it undoubtedly does for some. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. And the fact that it does and it is indeed used, spells out the fact that it helps.

They're playing with different physics in some aspects than people who are using no aids. Don't care what anyone says, it decreases lap times. I don't care about any other aids used that are permitted in the seasonals. TC is going to slow a good driver down. ASM doesn't slow you down. If it doesn't hurt lap times...then what? "Oh, it just makes you more consistant". That is bull, too. Let's say it does make you more consistent. If you're not consistent...your lap times are poor.

Consistency ≠ merely consecutively racking up laps and lines well. If you can't string a good lap together, you can't post a good time. If you screw up one corner, you're going to enter the next one incorrectly as well or trap at a lower speed at the end of the straight it feeds. That is the problem. It helps you flow through the line easier. Many good drivers can't string great lap together - they'll be x faster in x sector one lap, then slower in it for the next lap, but quicker in another sector. It is like that for everyone to a point. Constistancy would be the opposite of that. Because you would be more consistent through each sector. The more you practice, the more consistent you are...so what is asm doing as you yourself become more consistent and gel with the circuit?

Not like I would be #1 in a seasonal, but surely the leader board would look a little different with abs only. Sucks for people who could actually be #1.

 

[FSportIS]

That is why i think they should have 2 leaderboards: one with aids and one with abs only.

And within the 2 main boards, thy will have sub boards sorted or filtered by specific car or specific player country and specific player country+car combo filter. For example, Oh, in the ABS only (no other aids) leader-board I'm #88 in USA overall and #9 in USA with Mustang Boss 302 car. See how much this is helpful.

The benefits of this approach is as follow:
1. We are comparing apples to apples.
2. Players will now try out different cars and compete to get the top time for that car. This brings more variety of cars to the board. It is too boring nowaday to see Suzuki GSX or whatever that thing is on the top 100 all the times.
3. Players can then view their rank by country quickly.

 

[Doodle]

Sorry Johnny, I couldn't help myself, the temptation was simply too much.

Unfortunately it's true. I'm not a fan of mini mods.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

According to your post here, https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/not-touching-time-trials-ever.316550/#post-10060126 you were done trying to argue and understand things. I wish you would have stopped there but no, you had to go and rant some more today. Your rants are really getting old and tiresome. If you don't want to use the aids that are available in-game, then don't. Stop trying to belittle those that choose to use them, its not up to you to dictate what should/should not be used. If you are that unhappy about the situation, then simply don't participate. We know how you feel, you've made it quite obvious, no need to continually complain about it...just let it go.

 

[dddsprayshop]

To be fair some people like me who hate SRF with a passion, think it is a bad thing for new players to use because it doesn't let them learn how to become good drivers: it holds back your potential. Some of us who wanted no SRF do not care so much that players in Seasonals could use them to win paint chips, we hate that it could be used by players on the leaderboards. Since it gave obvious advantages for faster times, it meant everyone who ever wanted to compare their times with others on the leaderboards had to use SRF too. For example, when SRF was forced off I noticed that I would jump up as much as 20,000 places in the rankings: in other words there were about 20,000 people out there who were not as good as me, but were made to appear to be better than they were because they used altered imaginary physics. We would have had no problem with PD not allowing SRF users in the rankings, but allow those who want or need to use it to do so, but just not have their times qualify on the leaderboards. Again I think they should never have introduced SRF in the series in the first place, because look the trouble it has caused. Those who grew up or chose not to use SRF will have become much more skilled and confident, while those who relied on it now feel like they are being punished. It's a shame.

So it was you guys that started the bitching about SRF?
And now that other people bitch again, it is not supposed to be?

I learned to drive without srf, took me 1,5hrs to reach gold in the WSR event.
Almost threw my controller on the floor.
Why? I have a wheel, but i can't get control with it.So i use DS3.
Biggest problem, i can't use thumbsticks, my fingers start to tremble, it's a physical/mental thing.
Hooray, no srf..I did get gold, but also a headage.

So when srf was greyed out, you went up 20.000 places, so you were not that good of a driver?
You can only drive good without srf?
I don't see you mention that, so i ask you.

Maybe using srf is a shame, but that post is not so nice to other avarage gamers/members.
This is a game, not real life, everybody should be able to get gold, not only the good ones, the good ones have the top ranks of the leaderboard, i do not have top ranks.
Am i complaining that you and your fellow drivers, reached the top ranks?
NO, but you just did in your post.
according to you, SRF is obvious giving advantages to gamers, but now that you have the advantage, you don't want to loose it again.

Or do you want to rephrase your post?
Not everyone has your potential.

 

[332i]

According to your post here, https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/not-touching-time-trials-ever.316550/#post-10060126 you were done trying to argue and understand things. I wish you would have stopped there but no, you had to go and rant some more today. Your rants are really getting old and tiresome. If you don't want to use the aids that are available in-game, then don't. Stop trying to belittle those that choose to use them, its not up to you to dictate what should/should not be used. If you are that unhappy about the situation, then simply don't participate. We know how you feel, you've made it quite obvious, no need to continually complain about it...just let it go.

Different thread, different seasonal, dude. Worry about yourself. Life will be less complicated. Luckily, ASM and AS won't cover up mistakes enough in the F3 seasonal, so that crap seems to have been left out of that at least. I'll whine about people ruining seasonals until the cows come home, because I've probably done it three or four times on here. The thread you cited, this and idk where else, but you can go look if you want.

Funny you mention things getting old and tiresome - I figured the mods had told you stop enough times, but I guess not. I couldnt care less about your opinion of my posts, bud. You are not a moderator. Everyone rolls their eyes at your daily want-to-be moderator comments every single day. That is because you post them...daily. You've been told by moderators to stop talking like one. I guess you've forgotten those posts, like I must have forgotten my own.

Have a good night.

 

[Tornado]

According to your post here, https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/not-touching-time-trials-ever.316550/#post-10060126 you were done trying to argue and understand things.

How dare you mention that he only cares about discussing things right up to the exact moment people actually challenge what he's saying.



You mini-mod, you.

 

[332i]

How dare you mention that he only cares about discussing things right up to the exact moment people actually challenge what he's saying.



You're such a mini-mod for pointing out the hypocrisy.

You're sorely mistaken if you think that is how I handle things on here. Discuss until I am challenged? What? If anything, I discuss until I remind myself that I am probably arguing with a teenager.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

You're sorely mistaken if you think that is how I handle things on here. Discuss until I am challenged? What? If anything, I discuss until I remind myself that teenager.

Irrelevant. I've seen/know adults that act more idiotic than kids.

 

[332i]

Irrelevant. I've seen/know adults that act more idiotic than kids.

Yeah...that is not usually the case, if you had to pick an idiot out of a hat, though, stiggy. Narrow it down to the internet and it is like a concentrate. So, not quite irrelevant. We can beg to differ. But, children overwhelmingly take the cake in terms of idiocy and adults surely do not make up a majority of this forum. If I am going to count my losses, that is usually what I chalk it up to. I'm not arguing or discussing word play or subjective things as such, sorry.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

How dare you mention that he only cares about discussing things right up to the exact moment people actually challenge what he's saying.



You mini-mod, you.

Well thank, I resemble that remark.

@332i There is a difference between stating your opinion (usually once is enough) and continually whining about the same thing over and over again. You seem to be doing a lot of the latter. You know, its not even your opinion that actually bothers me, (actually, I don't even care what your opinion is) its your continual complaining of the same thing and belittling of others that don't play the game how you think it should be played that's getting old. Like I said, we all know how you feel. And one more thing. You complain about people using aids, well, what do you think ABS is. So, until you yourself are completely aid-free (yes, that does include ABS) I really don't think you have any room to talk/complain about people using aids. You said yesterday that you were going to stop worrying about what other people were doing, why not stick to that game plan.


332i said - "Different thread, different seasonal, dude. Worry about yourself. Life will be less complicated. Luckily, ASM and AS won't cover up mistakes enough in the F3 seasonal, so that crap seems to have been left out of that at least. I'll whine about people ruining seasonals until the cows come home, because I've probably done it three or four times on here. The thread you cited, this and idk where else, but you can go look if you want.
Funny you mention things getting old and tiresome - I figured the mods had told you stop enough times, but I guess not. I couldnt care less about your opinion of my posts, bud. You are not a moderator. Everyone rolls their eyes at your daily want-to-be moderator comments every single day. That is because you post them...daily. You've been told by moderators to stop talking like one. I guess you've forgotten those posts, like I must have forgotten my own.
Have a good night."

Maybe you should take some of your own advice.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not like I would be #1 in a seasonal, but surely the leader board would look a little different with abs only. Sucks for people who could actually be #1.

If all the same people enter a bunch of different seasonals, the finishing order will be roughly the same regardless of aids, car, tires, track or anything else. Speed is speed and fast drivers simply adapt to whatever aids are available or not. Driving aids don't change the finishing order.

 

[332i]

Well thank, I resemble that remark.

@332i There is a difference between stating your opinion (usually once is enough) and continually whining about the same thing over and over again. You seem to be doing a lot of the latter. You know, its not even your opinion that actually bothers me, (actually, I don't even care what your opinion is) its your continual complaining of the same thing and belittling of others that don't play the game how you think it should be played that's getting old. Like I said, we all know how you feel. And one more thing. You complain about people using aids, well, what do you think ABS is. So, until you yourself are completely aid-free (yes, that does include ABS) I really don't think you have any room to talk/complain about people using aids. You said yesterday that you were going to stop worrying about what other people were doing, why not stick to that game plan.


332i said - "Different thread, different seasonal, dude. Worry about yourself. Life will be less complicated. Luckily, ASM and AS won't cover up mistakes enough in the F3 seasonal, so that crap seems to have been left out of that at least. I'll whine about people ruining seasonals until the cows come home, because I've probably done it three or four times on here. The thread you cited, this and idk where else, but you can go look if you want.
Funny you mention things getting old and tiresome - I figured the mods had told you stop enough times, but I guess not. I couldnt care less about your opinion of my posts, bud. You are not a moderator. Everyone rolls their eyes at your daily want-to-be moderator comments every single day. That is because you post them...daily. You've been told by moderators to stop talking like one. I guess you've forgotten those posts, like I must have forgotten my own.
Have a good night."

Maybe you should take some of your own advice.

You do realize I run nearly half the time trials without abs and race in series' with zero aids...right? I'all tell you exactly why you'll see me use ABS in a lot of seasonals...it is because I have to take a medication that screws with my motor skills and don't plan out when I'm going to work on an event of course lol. If I have free time and play, I may hit the current seasonals, just like anyone else. So, I do my best and that involves abs sometimes, if it is offline. I know exactly when I'm going to be doing a series race and can plan ahead. There's very little difference to me anyways. That and I can't remember the last time I used it online lol. You can come and see that for yourself. Johnny can tell you as well. He raced with us once. He spun left off the launch, took out two of us and then quit immediately. "Racing tires have too much grip" is what I'd read him say a million times beforehand.


Johnny, another faux-mod. I'm pretty sure you've said you've moved on from gt6, no? I wouldn't bother, johnny. That makes no sense - aids don't affect the finishing order...ehm..ok, johnny. Idk about tires, either. That is probably true for 99% of entries, including myself, but you would not be one of them, given your past quarrels with racing tires. Idk, maybe you've changed. Three months is a long time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Johnny, another faux-mod. I'm pretty sure you've said you've moved on from gt6, no? I wouldn't bother, johnny. That makes no sense - aids don't affect the finishing order...ehm..ok, johnny. Idk about tires, either. That is probably true for 99% of entries, including myself, but you would not be one of them, given your past quarrels with racing tires. Idk, maybe you've changed. Three months is a long time.

Aids don't change the racing order, unless the participants change with it. Speed is speed, it's been proven time and again in every time trial in GT5 and GT6. Same names at the top of the leaderboards over and over and over. Change the car, change the track, change the tires, change the allowable aids...same results. Some names move up and down of course depending on their level of interest and amount of time they put into an individual TT, but generally it's the same people over and over and over.

 

[light driver]

Good to see aids are being used at the top in the 550pp seasonal as well. Same old song and dance from here on out it seems. Still blows my mind that the same people flip flop as to whether asm makes them faster or not. Oh, it made me .4 or .6 faster here, but not there. Bull. You could potentially pull 50-100 people out of the top 300 backwards by nearly a half second, due to ASM. Not for certain, because sure, it may not make everyone faster, but it undoubtedly does for some. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. And the fact that it does and it is indeed used, spells out the fact that it helps.

They're playing with different physics in some aspects than people who are using no aids. Don't care what anyone says, it decreases lap times. I don't care about any other aids used that are permitted in the seasonals. TC is going to slow a good driver down. ASM doesn't slow you down. If it doesn't hurt lap times...then what? "Oh, it just makes you more consistant". That is bull, too. Let's say it does make you more consistent. If you're not consistent...your lap times are poor.

Sorry to ask, really not a concern or anything, but...Reading through this thread I stombled over Yours, and the post two steps above Yours too, where You people suddenly starts to babble about ASM??? Err NO-ONE is using ASM in TT`s. At least not in the top 100.000 or so...But EVERYBODY is using SRF when optional in the TT`s.... Been a while since last time SRF was switchonable though (I just invented a new word there yeah...Switchonable...)

So why are You bringing ASM up??? Only newbees use that for a few minutes...Just asking.....Have never-ever seen ASM on the TT ranking board, neither in the high rankings nor among the lower rankings...Off course SOMEONE is using it, but it would take forever to find that person, and leave him alone then anyway...

 

[332i]

Yes, speed is speed johnny. If I decide to use AS, ASM, maybe TC1 and ABS...I'd probably go up the list, right? Instead of 60th in the F3 trial...maybe I would be in 40th. Then everyone behind me moves back a spot, but the person behind me now wants to leap back over and same goes for the person behind him, etc. You can romanticize it all you want with speed is speed stories and such. People get accustomed to or like specific aids, because it allows them to do x, when they cannot. Look at the last three time trials. Lotus, FGT, and F3. The people that do really well with road cars in TTs (ie top 10-20 or so) more or less all use AS and ABS at minimum. Where were they in the last three trials? Not in there usual positions. Absolutely not. Taking the same aid away from two people, doesn't inherently mean both of their times will reduce at x rate. It is always going to help or hurt one person more or less than another. Whether you're adding or subtracting an aid. How does that not make sense? You are generalizing the concept that the same people being at the top is consistent. It seems like there are about ten of these people on average that will always finish in the top 30 or so. If another is using aids, so do they and then the trickle down effect occurs and that is what ruins the time trials. There are also a lot of people who stay away from road car time trials, because of all the aid use as well.

Because people DO use it. And if they're not, a ton are using active steering, which is crap, too. Yay! I finished 30th in the TT...well, sure...but you used active steering, abs and traction control lol. While you have people using nothing or ABS1. People whine about it not being a fully-fledged sim yet, but they'll go use BS aids. It makes no sense to me, aside from skewing times trials.


And cargo rat, I am doing the current f3 TT without ABS, just for you. It makes very little difference for me when I am ok, because I set the cars up without abs. So, when my motor capabilites aren't what they should be at times, I can flick abs on. Obviously, I'm not going to sit away from GT6 until I can move my legs correctly, when I can use abs and at least get by. I know for certain that I used it in the FGT trial as I was having a rough time for a few weeks, but wanted to try anyways. So, I was doing it zonked the whole time lol. It is what it is lol, maybe next time. I can't remember if I used it in the 97T time trial, but I highly doubt it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes, speed is speed johnny. If I decide to use AS, ASM, maybe TC1 and ABS...I'd probably go up the list, right? Instead of 60th in the F3 trial...maybe I would be in 40th. Then everyone behind me moves back a spot, but the person behind me now wants to leap back over and same goes for the person behind him, etc. You can romanticize it all you want with speed is speed stories and such. People get accustomed to or like specific aids, because it allows them to do x, when they cannot. Look at the last three time trials. Lotus, FGT, and F3. The people that do really well with road cars in TTs (ie top 10-20 or so) more or less all use AS and ABS at minimum. Where were they in the last three trials? Not in there usual positions. Absolutely not. Taking the same aid away from two people, doesn't inherently mean both of their times will reduce at x rate. It is always going to help or hurt one person more or less than another. Whether you're adding or subtracting an aid. How does that not make sense? You are generalizing the concept that the same people being at the top is consistent. It seems like there are about ten of these people on average that will always finish in the top 30 or so. If another is using aids, so do they and then the trickle down effect occurs and that is what ruins the time trials. There are also a lot of people who stay away from road car time trials, because of all the aid use as well.

Because people DO use it. And if they're not, a ton are using active steering, which is crap, too. Yay! I finished 30th in the TT...well, sure...but you used active steering, abs and traction control lol. While you have people using nothing or ABS1. People whine about it not being a fully-fledged sim yet, but they'll go use BS aids. It makes no sense to me, aside from skewing times trials.


And cargo rat, I am doing the current f3 TT without ABS, just for you. It makes very little difference for me when I am ok, because I set the cars up without abs. So, when my motor capabilites aren't what they should be at times, I can flick abs on. Obviously, I'm not going to sit away from GT6 until I can move my legs correctly, when I can use abs and at least get by. I know for certain that I used it in the FGT trial as I was having a rough time for a few weeks, but wanted to try anyways. So, I was doing it zonked the whole time lol. It is what it is lol, maybe next time. I can't remember if I used it in the 97T time trial, but I highly doubt it.

We're obviously not discussing the same thing. You're ranting about the availability and widespread usage of driving aids on a console driving game which is your opinion and you're welcome to it. Pointless but feel free to rant away. If we could sort leaderboards like we could with GT5 I think that would solve the problem but that's not PD's way.

But my point still stands regardless and the TT results from the last 4 years prove it. No matter the combination available to the best pilots in this game, they are skilled enough to work with what they are given and rise to the top.

 

[332i]

lol ok, bud. Idk where I've been, but you've been pretty adamant about not playing GT6 - the tail end of that experience is a bit shady. OP began with talk of aids. Like SRF and people speak of a skism between aids and no aids. I'm pretty sure I was ranting about aids. OP goes on rant about aids. I rant about aids as well. I'm pretty sure I'm on topic. Reverting to rhetoric, because you seem unclear as to my points. I can also see you winding up already with the "do you really expect otherwise on a console?" sort of response. Right. You're too good for GT6. I forgot how you've moved on to the intense simulations that are Forza and AC. My bad. You're pretty good at rants, too, mind you. The tire and grip rants were the best. Too much grip rah I'm done, but I'll keep posting about the game, never the less. Are you under the impression that this whole thread is merely about a split? I must have been the only one knocking aids, right?

 

[Streeto]

So... you're gonna just give up instead of learning to control oversteer?

Wait, you have traction control, how do you even need SRF?!

 

[Johnnypenso]

lol ok, bud. Idk where I've been, but you've been pretty adamant about not playing GT6 - the tail end of that experience is a bit shady. OP began with talk of aids. Like SRF and people speak of a skism between aids and no aids. I'm pretty sure I was ranting about aids. OP goes on rant about aids. I rant about aids as well. I'm pretty sure I'm on topic. Reverting to rhetoric, because you seem unclear as to my points. I can also see you winding up already with the "do you really expect otherwise on a console?" sort of response. Right. You're too good for GT6. I forgot how you've moved on to the intense simulations that are Forza and AC. My bad. You're pretty good at rants, too, mind you. The tire and grip rants were the best. Too much grip rah I'm done, but I'll keep posting about the game, never the less. Are you under the impression that this whole thread is merely about a split? I must have been the only one knocking aids, right?

Sounds like you're more concerned with attacking me than anything else at this point. Time to step away from the keyboard maybe?

 

[Peasantslayer]

I've had it with these stupid Time Trials; they are getting more and more unfriendlier each time one comes out. Say what you guys want but I prefer how balanced it was when SRF was an OPTIONAL CHOICE until some group of hardcore junkies kept pleading for it to have it turned off!

Turn up the TCS, Active steering to Strong, ABS up a bit, look for a decent setup and practice, it's not supposed to be easy and some times you'll get a terrible combination of car and track but practice and watch some of the fast ghosts.

Yay! I finished 30th in the TT...well, sure...but you used active steering, abs and traction control lol.

I wonder if an F1 driver has ever turned his driving aids off and then mocked every other driver even though he finished behind them, if you want to be near the top you use the tools available to you as opposed to not using any and using it as an excuse.

 

[332i]

Sounds like you're more concerned with attacking me than anything else at this point. Time to step away from the keyboard maybe?

Attacking? Now you're just being silly. Because I mentioned rants after you condemned my own? Or is there something else? I forgot "attacking" was synonymous with mentioning past bits on here. You've done the same. As has cargo to me. Get real, dude. You think YOU were attacked of all people ITT thread? Please, don't flatter yourself, man.

This thread is out of control. Think what you want, johnny. I'm not getting sucked into your spiteful comments anymore.

The only thing you do on here is hover around and attempt to correct people.

Someone telling you off, because you're trying to...idk, change my mind or something? Them telling you to kick rocks ≠ attacking them. I said nothing derogatory, untrue, etc. I didn't call you anything or throw any unsavory adjectives in front of your name.

You don't play GT6. I swear, you're here just to get some sort of satisfaction from winning arguments and posting as if you're moderating. You love the upper hand on the internet. Like advising I step away from the keyboard. You crack me up, man.

 

[332i]

I wonder if an F1 driver has ever turned his driving aids off and then mocked every other driver even though he finished behind them, if you want to be near the top you use the tools available to you as opposed to not using any and using it as an excuse.

F1 drivers have driving aids? Hm. Interesting. What are these aids you speak of? Pray tell. You think I am mocking people who use them? How? I don't shame them. I am modest as can be and you won't see me say things like "it is ridiculously easy to get gold on the first lap! How can you not?!". Or "you're a terrible driver for needing aids!". Yeah...not from this guy, pal. You're confusing me with other post that have offended you. The only time I've said anything about aids being silly, were to people who shouldn't need them; great drivers.

At this point I'm just picking events that driving aids end up getting in the way of control or speed/momentum. Seems ok so far. Trying the gixxer time trial was a mistake and an eye opener. I'll avoid them - simple.

 

[Peasantslayer]

They used to have TCS, ABS and FRIC as I'm sure you know which made the cars easier to drive.

 

[Pootis]

OP has a color chip on his shoulder

I don't use Skid Recovery Force either.