Not Touching Time Trials....EVER!!!!!

[332i]

They used to have TCS and ABS as I'm sure you know.

Not for long. Glad we're back on topic lol wut. The era it was used in was also the fastest era of formula one history. Of any circuit racing history. It was an era filled with hp and aero wars. The current F1 cars exit turns better without TC, than that era could with TC. And the current ones have more torque. Interesting. I saw Ralf Schumacher exit a turn a football field away from me, lose the rear and break his spine during the traction control era.

ABS hasn't existed in f1 for 21 years. Not since 1993.

Are you aware of why it was unbanned in 01? Because they couldn't figure out if teams were using it or not. So they just let it fly. Hm. Those TC systems were also ridicously advanced and they were not used consistently either. They were also 1000+ hp estimated V10s in a car that could be picked up off the ground by four people, not a fictional, underpowered Suzuki car with a hayabusa engine in a video game. You don't need to be in astronaut shape either, to play well in GT6.

If that post made sense, it would still be apples to oranges as described by me.

Your quote is also proof that your just looking things up to spite me now. Like adding fric about ten minutes later to your post, after you googled f1 assists. FRIC was nothing like TC or ABS. Those are not strokes of genius. Limiting wheel slip is where anyone would think to start. FRIC is not a computer controlled driver aid. It was a hydraulic system that operated itself without computer via hydraulic pressures and vacuums. The driver could not turn it on or off. It was essentially an anti roll bar for struts. Just one that did not twist under load and not a bar of metal. Another example if something that was not used consistently.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Attacking? Now you're just being silly. Because I mentioned rants after you condemned my own? Or is there something else? I forgot "attacking" was synonymous with mentioning past bits on here. You've done the same. As has cargo to me. Get real, dude. You think YOU were attacked of all people ITT thread? Please, don't flatter yourself, man.

This thread is out of control. Think what you want, johnny. I'm not getting sucked into your spiteful comments anymore.

The only thing you do on here is hover around and attempt to correct people.

Someone telling you off, because you're trying to...idk, change my mind or something? Them telling you to kick rocks ≠ attacking them. I said nothing derogatory, untrue, etc. I didn't call you anything or throw any unsavory adjectives in front of your name.

You don't play GT6. I swear, you're here just to get some sort of satisfaction from winning arguments and posting as if you're moderating. You love the upper hand on the internet. Like advising I step away from the keyboard. You crack me up, man.

Feel better now that you got that out?

Your rant should be with PD, not me or the OP or anyone using all the aids available in a TT or anywhere else. PD's strategy is and always has been along the lines of, "one size fits all". All we really need, and since you've obviously been following me you should know this, is a way to sort the leaderboards so we can measure ourselves against those using the same preferences that we do. We got that through Milouse in GT5 and it was great but its not available for GT6. It should be built in to GT7 IMO, but regardless, your beef shouldn't be with random people on the internet who don't approach the game the way you do, it should be with the people that designed the game who let you compete with people around the world, but not measure your performance straight up with people who have the same preferences as you. Especially since we know all the data is there and this was accomplished in GT5 by some dude working out of a cubicle or his home.

 

[Andefir]

i just do it cause there is good money to be won. i got nearly like 2.5 mil from the last 4 or so.

 

[soupcan]

@332i Help me here would you.

Reading though some of your posts it seems that you don't like the street tire time trials and you like the race tire time trials. Why does it bother you what people do in the time trials that you do not even like?

Until the leaderboard can be broken down to number of attempts or mileage driven they are for the most part not a great indication of someone's skill level, no matter what aid is or is not used.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I'm sick of time trials that allow tuning.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Feel better now that you got that out?

Your rant should be with PD, not me or the OP or anyone using all the aids available in a TT or anywhere else. PD's strategy is and always has been along the lines of, "one size fits all". All we really need, and since you've obviously been following me you should know this, is a way to sort the leaderboards so we can measure ourselves against those using the same preferences that we do. We got that through Milouse in GT5 and it was great but its not available for GT6. It should be built in to GT7 IMO, but regardless, your beef shouldn't be with random people on the internet who don't approach the game the way you do, it should be with the people that designed the game who let you compete with people around the world, but not measure your performance straight up with people who have the same preferences as you. Especially since we know all the data is there and this was accomplished in GT5 by some dude working out of a cubicle or his home.

I'm all for this leaderboard sorting, but SRF just really shouldn't be a thing in the first place.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I'm all for this leaderboard sorting, but SRF just really shouldn't be a thing in the first place.

I agree, but since it is, we just have to deal with it as it is.

 

[soupcan]

I'm all for this leaderboard sorting, but SRF just really shouldn't be a thing in the first place.

For my 5 year old son it is the only thing saving him at the moment when he wants to play, so it does have at least one use.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm all for this leaderboard sorting, but SRF just really shouldn't be a thing in the first place.

In a game like GT, I don't have a problem with it. In any game for that matter, even Assetto Corsa or Project Cars or any full blow racing sim. The more people feel the game is accessible, the more that buy it, the more money the devs have to put into the next version of the game and to stuff their pockets with. What I don't want is to have a game calling itself a sim built around it and Time Trials, supposedly the pinnacle of competition in GT outside of GT Academy, having it as an option. Either create two separate TT's, one with ABS only, and another with all aids available, or create one TT and give us sortable leaderboards so I can measure myself against people using the exact driving aids as me.

Everyone wants to be able to compete on a level playing field, in the manner they are accustomed to when playing the game.

 

[332i]

@332i Help me here would you.

Reading though some of your posts it seems that you don't like the street tire time trials and you like the race tire time trials. Why does it bother you what people do in the time trials that you do not even like?

Until the leaderboard can be broken down to number of attempts or mileage driven they are for the most part not a great indication of someone's skill level, no matter what aid is or is not used.

I have a problem with any time trial where the aids are widely used. I don't care what tire it is on. Tires are irrelevant to the matter.

I had a great idea last night - simply don't rank people using aids. You can get your prizes however you need to and move on. Easy.

 

[NCRthree]

Milouse's leaderboards were great. I really miss those. If he would come back I could care less about PD's one size fits all boards.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

Different thread, different seasonal, dude. Worry about yourself. Life will be less complicated. Luckily, ASM and AS won't cover up mistakes enough in the F3 seasonal, so that crap seems to have been left out of that at least. I'll whine about people ruining seasonals until the cows come home, because I've probably done it three or four times on here. The thread you cited, this and idk where else, but you can go look if you want.

Funny you mention things getting old and tiresome - I figured the mods had told you stop enough times, but I guess not. I couldnt care less about your opinion of my posts, bud. You are not a moderator. Everyone rolls their eyes at your daily want-to-be moderator comments every single day. That is because you post them...daily. You've been told by moderators to stop talking like one. I guess you've forgotten those posts, like I must have forgotten my own.

Have a good night.

Take your own advice.

 

[332i]

Take your own advice.

Someone already covered that base for you.

 

[Tornado]

I'm all for this leaderboard sorting, but SRF just really shouldn't be a thing in the first place.

I think the main issue is how it is presented as a driving aid compared to how it was presented in the series prior to GT5

 

[Mini Stiggy]

Someone already covered that base for you.

Then why don't you do it?

 

[332i]

Then why don't you do it?

I did, until I checked the forum this morning and yet another gt6'er quoted one of my posts. Pretty sure I hadn't posted in this thread since yesterday afternoon, until two members, my mistake, quoted my posts. I responded because they were making it their business as well and it is annoying to sit back and wat h people quote your posts and ask a question, make an assumption or repeat something. Feeding the same advice to keep things to myself and not make things my business...whilst making it their business.

I took my own advice yesterday. If people want to keep at it and egg me on, that is not my problem and I may retort. Big deal.

 

[Giorgio_57]

I've had it with these stupid Time Trials; they are getting more and more unfriendlier each time one comes out. Say what you guys want but I prefer how balanced it was when SRF was an OPTIONAL CHOICE until some group of hardcore junkies kept pleading for it to have it turned off!

That's like racism if ya ask me.

If it were for a ticket to watch an actual race, fine then keep SRF off but right now mainly we're fighting for colour chips!!!!!

Until the SRF becomes an OPTIONAL choice for Seasonal Events to fight for colour chips, I'm skipping this garbage excuse for an event.....

What's the good thing when the car feels like a train? SRF is just unrealistic in my opinion. Good thing they took it off. Maybe you need a bit more practice.

 

[332i]

What's the good thing when the car feels like a train? SRF is just unrealistic in my opinion. Good thing they took it off. Maybe you need a bit more practice.

See, I don't like these sorts of comments. I understand getting peeved over the use of aids in TTs (as you can see, I do)...I don't understand making fun of people, because they can't get gold time without aids. They're a put-down. There's no reason to do away with the aids in entirety, when there are plenty alternatives, like ranking people who don't use aids.

Ideas and head butting over opinions is expected, but comments like that are garbage.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

See, I don't like these sorts of comments. I understand vetting peeved over the use of aids in TTs...I don't understand making fun of people, because they can't get gold time without aids. They're a put-down. There's no reason to do away with the aids in entirety, when there are plenty alternatives, like ranking people who don't use aids.

Ideas and head butting over opinions is expected, but comments like that are garbage.

I thought you were worrying about yourself now?

Oh yeah. Since I'm a teenager, I'm going to be wrong no matter what I say to you.

 

[Giorgio_57]

See, I don't like these sorts of comments. I understand vetting peeved over the use of aids in TTs...I don't understand making fun of people, because they can't get gold time without aids. They're a put-down. There's no reason to do away with the aids in entirety, when there are plenty alternatives, like ranking people who don't use aids.

Ideas and head butting over opinions is expected, but comments like that are garbage.

why you saying that? I'm not even making fun of people, I'm just saying my opinion. I would also like to have ranking with people who don't use aids too but go say it to kaz... lol

 

[332i]

I thought you were worrying about yourself now?

Oh yeah. Since I'm a teenager, I'm going to be wrong no matter what I say to you.

That's not what I said, dude. Don't start making things up or taking them out of context. I have a lot of respect for you stiggy and I'm trying to figure out why you took something personally, that clearly did not include someone like you. I guess that is your business, though, since we're harping on who should stay out of what. I never said they're inherently incorrect. I said it is not worth arguing, because I may be arguing with kids, teenagers, etc. And it's not. I'm not a kid anymore. In fact, within the same paragraph, I noted that we'll all just have to disagree, because no one will change their minds, regardless of age and aids used or not used. Discussions and such, sure. Not sure if you took that personally and read it as otherwise, but I would re-read it, if that is how you think I feel. I was a bit more specific.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

Nevermind.

 

[KWZX10]

I've had it with these stupid Time Trials; they are getting more and more unfriendlier each time one comes out. Say what you guys want but I prefer how balanced it was when SRF was an OPTIONAL CHOICE until some group of hardcore junkies kept pleading for it to have it turned off!

That's like racism if ya ask me.

If it were for a ticket to watch an actual race, fine then keep SRF off but right now mainly we're fighting for colour chips!!!!!

Until the SRF becomes an OPTIONAL choice for Seasonal Events to fight for colour chips, I'm skipping this garbage excuse for an event.....

You (and many others) should realize that srf is actually bad for the player, unlike the other aids that actually helps with something (ABS TCS) srf is a magical ultragrippy mode that imho just ruins players, it may help you to get that nice gold, sure, but you'll never be able to get free from that "i can't do it without srf it's too hard" attitude, not improving yourself, they're just games maybe, but since there's skill involved that should be a more important thing.
Even when it was optional it was killing the point of online time trials, since everyone had to use it to get higher, actually making it not that "optional".
If they do something like ''srf on - you'll get gold and the prize for it but your time isn't going to be on the official leaderboard" (or simply a different leaderboard dedicated to those who use it) it would be a different story.

 

[Giorgio_57]

You (and many others) should realize that srf is actually bad for the player, unlike the other aids that actually helps with something (ABS TCS) srf is a magical ultragrippy mode that imho just ruins players, it may help you to get that nice gold, sure, but you'll never be able to get free from that "i can't do it without srf it's too hard" attitude, not improving yourself, they're just games maybe, but since there's skill involved that should be a more important thing.
Even when it was optional it was killing the point of online time trials, since everyone had to use it to get higher, actually making it not that "optional".
If they do something like ''srf on - you'll get gold and the prize for it but your time isn't going to be on the official leaderboard" (or simply a different leaderboard dedicated to those who use it) it would be a different story.

This!

 

[332i]

If they're not inherently wrong, why won't you argue with them?

You trying to outsmart me by throwing more of my own concepts back my way, bud? Why won't I? Because, it is a waste of time, can get annoying, childish, rhetorical and/or irrational. It often one of these. Like that post^^^ you're not going to catch my tongue. I usually think once or twice before I hit respond, because I'm not new to the internet.

This is a good example of why I'll come on, then lurk and round and round again. So much arguing, taking things out of context, people thinking they remember something you've said beforehand and throw it back, only to be wrong or quite a bit off.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

You trying to outsmart me by throwing more of my own concepts back my way, bud? Why won't I? Because, it is a waste of time, can get annoying, childish, rhetorical and/or irrational. It often one of these. Like that post^^^ you're not going to catch my tongue. I usually think once or twice before I hit respond, because I'm not new to the internet.

This is a good example of why I'll come on, then lurk and round and round again.

Nevermind.

I edited my post after I read your edited post.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I thought you were worrying about yourself now?

Oh yeah. Since I'm a teenager, I'm going to be wrong no matter what I say to you.

Please let us know when you turn 20 and your opinions become valid so we can all take you off ignore

 

[BMWcrazy]

Also, in the first few time trials where SRF were allowed, PDI also made them a lot more difficult to gold for the players who didn't use SRF.

That was one of the biggest complaints.