Nurburgring Challenge *POST YOUR TIMES*

[TurboJ]

The new Nurburgring Challenge is hereby open!

The idea here is to compete with Nurburgring hotlaps
driven with completely stock production cars.

Rules are simple:

-You can drive any PRODUCTION car, 100% unmodified (not even oil change unless it's a used car, so car performance is always consistent)
-You must use N2 tires for real-word performance
-Drive in GT mode/Circuit practice

This should make for a very challenging hotlap competition, and a very interesting one in real-world terms.

*If you post a fast time, I and all other volunteers will then try to beat that time with the same car!*
HERE'S THE CURRENT LEADERBOARD:

Laptime Driver Car

• 7'15.761 Kent Mercedes SLR
• 7'17.168 jphachi_roku Ford GT
• 7'18.180 LeadSlead#2 Ford GT
• 7'19.721 jphachi_roku Mercedes SLR
• 7'19.875 zondahelmet Mercedes SLR
• 7'20.375 jphachi_roku Zonda 7.3
• 7'24.083 BBQ0801 Ford GT
• 7'24.348 mustangshelby Zonda 7.3
• 7'24.861 zondahelmet Zonda 7.3
• 7'25.513 VEXD Mercedes SLR
• 7'28.758 LeadSlead#2 Saleen S7
• 7'35.292 omegalotus BMW M5
• 7'35.814 east Zonda 7.3
• 7'38.763 LeadSlead#2 Dodge Viper SRT 10
• 7'39.480 evoVIIIracer Zonda 7.3
• 7'40.165 mustangshelby RUF Yellowbird
• 7'43.255 Kent Aston Martin DB9
• 7'43.554 east Saleen S7
• 7'44.156 TurboJ Saleen S7
• 7'44.256 appie17 Mercedes SLR
• 7'45.561 nitro_2005 Ford GT
• 7'45.801 jphachi_roku BMW M5
• 7'47.437 Kent TVR Tuscan Speed 6
• 7'47.510 jphachi_roku TVR Speed 12
• 7:48.370 LeadSlead#2 Corvette Z06 (C5)
• 7'48.378 BBQ0801 RUF CTR2
• 7'49.951 daan Jaguar XJ220
• 7'50.211 mustangshelby BMW M3 CSL
• 7'50.955 Kent Corvette Z06 (C5)
• 7'51.039 VEXD RUF Yellowbird
• 7'51.281 BBQ0801 RUF RGT
• 7'51.359 nitro_2005 Zonda 7.3
• 7'51.540 east BMW M5
• 7'52.038 BBQ0801 Spyker C8
• 7'53.407 nitro_2005 Saleen S7
• 7'53.876 sir heavy foot BMW M5
• 7'54.311 appie17 Jaguar XJ220
• 7'54.557 LeadSlead#2 Dodge Viper GTS '99
• 7'54.642 jphachi_roku NSX-R '02
• 7'54.751 Kent NSX-R '02
• 7'55.657 evoVIIIracer Aston Martin DB9
• 7'56.835 AngelCreator Nissan R390 Roadcar
• 7'57.495 zondahelmet NSX-R '02
• 7'57.543 omegalotus BMW M3
• 7'57.795 jphachi_roku Viper GTS '99
• 7'58.329 daan Aston Martin DB9
• 7'58.448 FastEddie12 Aston Martin Vanquish
• 7'58.457 FastEddie12 BMW M5
• 7'58.992 evoVIIIracer RUF Yellowbird
• 7'59.014 manhezze RUF BTR
• 7'59.067 FastEddie12 RUF RGT
• 7'59.362 VEXD BMW M3
• 7'59.372 jphachi_roku NSX-R '02
• 7'59.957 zondahelmet NSX-R '02
• 8'00.466 appie17 RUF BTR
• 8'01.583 appie17 Aston Martin DB9
• 8'02.002 appie17 RUF Yellowbird
• 8'02.530 newbielives BMW M3 CSL
• 8'02.749 appie17 Mercedes SL55 AMG
• 8'02.800 zondahelmet BMW M3
• 8'02.857 FastEddie12 BMW M3 CSL
• 8'03.080 omegalotus Audi RS4
• 8'04.971 LeadSlead#2 Nissan Skyline GT-R '00
• 8'05.135 AngelCreator Cizeta V16T
• 8'05.388 TurboJ BMW M3
• 8'05.948 VEXD Impreza Sti Spec-C
• 8'06.013 SimRaceDriver RUF Yellowbird
• 8'06.078 TurboJ Skyline V-spec Nur
• 8'06.551 daan Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A
• 8'07.521 Kent Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR
• 8'08.449 TurboJ Impreza Sti Spec-C
• 8'08.553 FastEddie12 Yellowbird
• 8'09.037 jphachi_roku Nissan 350Z GT4 Edition
• 8'10.574 TurboJ Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR
• 8'10.949 nitro_2005 BMW M5
• 8'11.021 kragbees Audi S4
• 8'11.120 AngelCreator TVR Speed 12
• 8'11.503 Kent Lancer Evo VIII GSR
• 8'13.165 mustangshelby Jaguar XK-R
• 8'14.100 mustangshelby Corvette Z06 (C5)
• 8'17.624 mustangshelby NSX Type S
• 8'18.934 AngelCreator RUF BTR
• 8'19.345 mustangshelby BMW M3
• 8'20.065 appie17 TVR T350c
• 8'20.230 mustangshelby Skyline R34
• 8'20.891 jphachi_roku Tommy Kaira ZZ-s
• 8'22.175 AngelCreator TVR Speed Cerbera 6
• 8'24.729 appie17 Mercedes E55 AMG
• 8'26.219 FastEddie12 R32 Skyline V-spec
• 8'26.280 daan Subaru 22B
• 8'26.949 nitro_2005 Impreza Sti Spec-C
• 8'27.273 appie17 Mazda RX7 Spirit R Type A
• 8'29.314 appie17 Lancer Evolution VI GSR '99
• 8'29.858 alrivers Audi RS4
• 8'29.924 alrivers Nissan 350Z (GT4)
• 8'30.572 appie17 Ford RS200
• 8'30.845 FastEddie12 BMW M Coupe
• 8'33.880 appie17 Mercedes AMG CLK55
• 8'33.987 daddy-o Nissan 350Z
• 8'34.436 daddy-o Lotus M.S. Elise
• 8'35.071 appie17 Holden Monaro
• 8'35.726 Thirdeye Audi RS4
• 8:37.352 LeadSlead#2 Dodge SRT-4
• 8'37.928 Sennaspirit Chrysler Crossfire
• 8'39.110 Flerbizky Mercedes 190E Evolution
• 8'39.746 appie17 Mercedes CL600
• 8'40.830 appie17 Nissan Skyline GT-R '91
• 8'42.580 Dr.AK Impreza Sti Ver. VI
• 8'42.640 LeadSlead#2 Honda Civic Type R '01 (EP)
• 8'48.183 StiDriver Dodge SRT-4
• 8'49.443 ROB 256R Civic-R '04
• 8'52.271 appie17 BMW Z4
• 8'54.332 appie17 Lotus Elise 111S
• 8'55.839 T13R VW Golf GTi '05
• 8'58.726 Thirdeye Lancer Evo III GSR
• 8'59.974 daan Integra-R (DC2) '98
• 9'00.165 Dave_George Renault Clio Sport 172
• 9'02.041 appie17 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
• 9'03.834 opendriver19a Mercedes 190E Evolution
• 9'04.377 DeloreanBrown 240SX (S14)
• 9'05.765 appie17 Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon
• 9'06.792 appie17 Toyota Supra SZ-R
• 9'08.636 FastEddie12 Lotus Europa Special '71
• 9'09.350 daan Peugeot 406 Coupe
• 9'14.004 Dr.AK Honda Accord Euro-R
• 9'20.480 appie17 Mercedes SLK 230
• 9'23.923 appie17 Honda Integra Type R (DC2)
• 9'36.558 FastEddie12 Renault Alpine A310 1600VE '73
• 9'42.312 Dr.AK Peugeot 106 S16
• 9'45.048 appie17 VW Golf GTi '05
• 9'48.970 Dr.AK Peugeot S16 Rally
• 9'55.303 appie17 Fiat Punto HGT Abarth
• 9'56.732 DeloreanBrown VW Golf GTi '05
• 10'08.574 AngelCreator Suzuki Cappuccino
• 10'10.390 daan Mini Marcos GT
• 10'11.384 AngelCreator VW Polo GTi
• 10'12.420 AngelCreator Honda Beat
• 10'19.931 jphachi_roku Honda Beat '91
• 10'25.005 AngelCreator Mazda AZ-1
• 10'27.375 jphachi_roku Mazda AZ-1
• 10'30.444 daan Triumph Spitfire 1500
• 11'01.914 Praetorian Scion Xb
• 12'43.043 AngelCreator Honda Today G
• 17'33.729 AngelCreator Daihatsu Midget '63

 

[TurboJ]

Here's a listing of my best times so far with each car:

8'06.078 Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec Nr R34 '02

8'10.574 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo. VIII MR GSR '04

8'08.449 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi spec C GD Type-II '04

7'44.156 Saleen S7

8'05.388 BMW M3

 

[nitro_2005]

here are my contributions:

Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 - 7'51.359
BMW M5 - 8'10.949
Subaru Impreza WRX Spec C - 8'26.949

 

[TurboJ]

here are my contributions:

Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3 - 7'51.359
BMW M5 - 8'10.949
Subaru Impreza WRX Spec C - 8'26.949

Good! Thanks for contributing!
I'm actually driving the WRX Spec C myself right now, so you'll get a competitor very soon I'll try the other two later.

 

[nitro_2005]

the handling on the spec c with N2 tyres isn't that bad. watch out for the zonda though. i know for a fact that it doesn't really like N2 tyres. accelaration is good, when you put your foot down, you get a big boost of accelaration, but then you have to slow down for the next corner.

i think i'll try the Evo VIII MR, Ford Mustang GT, Ford GT, Saleen S7 and Honda NSX-R next.

 

[daan]

TurboJ - Are you keeping a leaderboard, or are you just going to leave everyone's times hidden in their posts?

 

[Kent]

N2 = real world performance...

Driving 3 feet from the edge of performance = real world performance

Good luck in the racing.
Great laps posted so far. 👍

 

[nitro_2005]

more times:

Ford GT - 7'45.561
Saleen S7 - 7'53.407

 

[TurboJ]

TurboJ - Are you keeping a leaderboard, or are you just going to leave everyone's times hidden in their posts?

I will make this into a leaderboard listing as soon as there are enough times posted here, so keep posting people! 👍

 

[TurboJ]

So I have one competitor here? Come on people, start posting!

Driving showroom-spec cars with N2 tires is one of the best ways of comparing pure driving skill - this way it makes do difference if you happen to have a good setup for car X, you have to drive it with stock suspension, so the only thing that's going to affect your laptime is you!

 

[TwinTurboJay]

Hey there TurboJ, nice username ! I will be posting here shortly! ( but not at all on par with your guys lap times so far )

 

[nitro_2005]

just thought i'd mention that i did a 5-lap "GT" race on the 'Ring with the Nissan GT-R Concept Race Car earlier this evening. Did it on R5s and my fastest lap was 6'09.xxx.

 

[TurboJ]

Hey there TurboJ, nice username ! I will be posting here shortly! ( but not at all on par with your guys lap times so far )

You have a nice username too

Cool, I'm looking forward to new entries! BTW, don't worry if your times aren't the fastest - for example, I dropped 20 seconds from the Skyline's time after 10 laps of practice.

 

[TurboJ]

just thought i'd mention that i did a 5-lap "GT" race on the 'Ring with the Nissan GT-R Concept Race Car earlier this evening. Did it on R5s and my fastest lap was 6'09.xxx.

Where do I get that car?

 

[FastEddie12]

I thought I 'd be the first to post with the Ruf CTR Yellow Bird, but it's not the best time ever, I know there are some very deft drivers out there who will knock a heap out of that. However it proved excellent preparation for driving the BMW M5, and I surprised myself by beating the posted time!

RUF CTR Yellow Bird: 8'25.248"
BMW M5: 8'01.837"

Edit: Just did a couple of laps in a second hand M Coupe, and found that I could go at least 5 secs faster after the chassis refresh. It was noticeably better on the downhill section after Kallenhard, and the flat out bit after Pflantzgarten. There's a good bit to come off that time, but I don't seem to be on the pace this morning.

BMW M Coupe: 8'39.736

Incidentally, I reckon oil changes should be allowed as a) it's a simple mod that puts people on a more even footing, especially if a car has only 1000 or so miles on it, b) that little red light is REALLY annoying, c) I want to be able to use the cars in my garage, which MAY have had an oil change, and d) I've got a puke green 6.2 mile M coupe in the garage anyway which would probably beat it (see a) above). But an excellent thread, nonetheless. Thanks.

 

[TurboJ]

I will update the leaderboard on this monday.

About oil changes - on used cars you can of course do oil changes, but not on 10 km used cars. The point here is that your car's performance should always be stock, so oil changes are only allowed when original stock power output gets lower (as in used cars).

People, have fun here and we could still need more challengers to post their times!

 

[TurboJ]

Edit: Just did a couple of laps in a second hand M Coupe, and found that I could go at least 5 secs faster after the chassis refresh. It was noticeably better on the downhill section after Kallenhard, and the flat out bit after Pflantzgarten. There's a good bit to come off that time, but I don't seem to be on the pace this morning.

BMW M Coupe: 8'39.736

Incidentally, I reckon oil changes should be allowed as a) it's a simple mod that puts people on a more even footing, especially if a car has only 1000 or so miles on it, b) that little red light is REALLY annoying, c) I want to be able to use the cars in my garage, which MAY have had an oil change, and d) I've got a puke green 6.2 mile M coupe in the garage anyway which would probably beat it (see a) above). But an excellent thread, nonetheless. Thanks.

Please read my new info about oil changes - I will add your time with the M Coupe if you like, but I would suggest you try it again with the oil change done. Thanks for your input!

 

[FastEddie12]

Excellent, thanks Turbo J!

BMW M coupe: 8'33.071 (revised)
Also BMW M3 *cough* (csl) *cough*: 8'02.857"
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec (R32): 8'26.219"

Hot dang! I couldn't get near your M3 time. Had to cheat and use the CSL. Do you think anyone will notice?

 

[TurboJ]

Excellent, thanks Turbo J!

BMW M coupe: 8'33.071 (revised)
Also BMW M3 *cough* (csl) *cough*: 8'02.857"
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec (R32): 8'26.219"

Hot dang! I couldn't get near your M3 time. Had to cheat and use the CSL. Do you think anyone will notice?

Cool! Nice times there pal!

I updated the leaderboard, and I seem to have cured your cough the same time....?

 

[Appie]

MY Times

- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren 7'44,256
- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG 8'24,729
- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG 8'02,749

 

[THE ED3]

This sounds like a fun challenge. I'll be joining latter in the day.

 

[Wakeem]

my times:

8'00.128 : BMW M3

T1- 50'.687
T2- 1'29.710
T3- 2'01.226
T4- 2'58.712
T5- 3'42.246
T6- 4'12.798
T7- 5'09.103
T8- 5'56.760
T9- 6'21.002
T10- 7'08.986
T11- 7'34.985

8'00.891 : Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec Nur R34 '02

T1- 50'.221
T2- 1'29.846
T3- 2'01.697
T4- 2'58.816
T5- 3'42.231
T6- 4'13.088
T7- 5'09.026
T8- 5'56.962
T9- 6'21.893
T10- 7'09.758
T11- 7'35.922


We're allowed to play with the driving assists right? I did these with them all at 0. I'm driving the saleen now with the assists at about 1 or 2.

 

[Wakeem]

Saleen S7 : 7'29.705

T1- 48.142
T2- 1'24.005
T3- 1'53.768
T4- 2'47.972
T5- 3'27.631
T6- 3'54.506
T7- 4'48.349
T8- 5'35.746
T9- 5'59.128
T10- 6'44.648
T11- 7'06.127

 

[Kent]

So I have one competitor here? Come on people, start posting!

Driving showroom-spec cars with N2 tires is one of the best ways of comparing pure driving skill - this way it makes do difference if you happen to have a good setup for car X, you have to drive it with stock suspension, so the only thing that's going to affect your laptime is you!

Can't say I agree with that.

N2 tires just don't give everyone the chance to show their true potential.
Not in my opinion atleast.

For example, I'm hindered by N tires and when I compete on them I do far more poorly than I do with S tires or R tires.

So, on that note, I will show how I do on N tires.

7'53.047 Kent Corvette Z06 (C5) '00

That's my official submission.

(edited to show new and improved lap time) (still clean of course)

 

[FastEddie12]

Man, I just got to get quicker! Those are some hot times, Wakeem! I'm so rubbish in these low grip scenarios, my best times with the R34 Nurb and the M3 were a good 10 secs down on yours! Do you use a steering wheel? (I'm not fishing for excuses, I promise! )

 

[Wakeem]

Nay, all Dual Shock 2 (analogues) my good man.

 

[THE ED3]

Eh... I'm just not doing good with these N2 tires... I tried a 98 lotus esprit but I was still over 8 minutes.

 

[Wakeem]

Covette Z06 (C5) '00 - 7'48.489

T1- 49.922
T2- 1'27.679
T3- 1'58.416
T4- 2'55.176
T5- 3'37.630
T6- 4'06.893
T7- 5'01.709
T8- 5'49.397
T9- 6'12.984
T10- 6'59.889
T11- 7'24.310

👍

 

[Kent]

Covette Z06 (C5) '00 - 7'48.489

T1- 49.922
T2- 1'27.679
T3- 1'58.416
T4- 2'55.176
T5- 3'37.630
T6- 4'06.893
T7- 5'01.709
T8- 5'49.397
T9- 6'12.984
T10- 6'59.889
T11- 7'24.310

👍

Very good run.
(points to "a list of clean racers" link in sig).

I might get back to this sort of racing but I haven't found a car to run (or the time to run it).
Anything stronger than the Vette is not good on N2s in my hands.
Maybe an M3 or something?

 

[Wakeem]

I'm very honoured by your invitation

I don't have the facility to provide legitimate proof however.
(They could've easily provided all the vehicle information in the Replay Theater screen, where you select which replay to play. )

So you don't have any real reason to believe anything I say. I guess all should just take it for what its worth for now. Know that it'd be pathetic if I spend my time on these forums and buy the game just to play the charlatan.

But I bet competant players will have the imagination to see the improvments in their lap add up to atleast the time i have provided.

Now before I say too much, I humbly wait until someone smashes my times.

The M3 is good, though you might prefer the rigitity of the Skyline. The M3 is really squishy. The Corvette is in between them. The Saleen seemed daunting at first, its very deceptive. You have to brake alot earlier than expected, but eventually the car will persuade you.

I tried to defeat your Motegi record in the other challenge. I cannot for the life of me get within more than one second of your time...so I decided to smash your C5 record.